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New Living Translation (©2007)
For a child is born to us, a son is given to us. The government will rest on his shoulders. And he will be called: Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
His government and its peace will never end. He will rule with fairness and justice from the throne of his ancestor David for all eternity. The passionate commitment of the LORD of Heaven's Armies will make this happen!
Young's Literal Translation
For a Child hath been born to us, A Son hath been given to us, And the princely power is on his shoulder, And He doth call his name Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Father of Eternity, Prince of Peace.
To the increase of the princely power, And of peace, there is no end, On the throne of David, and on his kingdom, To establish it, and to support it, In judgment and in righteousness, Henceforth, even unto the age, The zeal of Jehovah of Hosts doth this.
Originally posted by Tw0Sides
Originally posted by sonnny1
I could see if many on ATS actually supported the people of Iran. What I cant for the life of me see,is those supporting Irans regime.
Can you tell me how to separate the two. People from Regime.
And if the bullets fly, who will get hurt, the people of Iran.
Do you see our Dilemma.
Originally posted by payta
The people living in Iran are having some tough times.
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Originally posted by BO XIAN
Originally posted by sHuRuLuNi
Originally posted by BO XIAN
As has been said . . . either He was insane . . . or . . . He was who HE said He was.
You are right. And since he NOT ONCE said he was God ...
(Pretty please: Since this is a FUNDAMENTAL BELIEF, provide me with ONE SINGLE VERSE where Jesus says "I am God". You can't)
WRONG.
JESUS THE CHRIST AFFIRMED THE FACT IN SEVERAL PLACES.
www.godonthe.net...
Mark 14:61b-62 [61b] Again the high priest asked him, "Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One?" [62] "I am," said Jesus. "And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven."
Luke 22:66-70 [66] At daybreak the council of the elders of the people, both the chief priests and teachers of the law, met together, and Jesus was led before them. [67] "If you are the Christ, " they said, "tell us." Jesus answered, "If I tell you, you will not believe me, [68] and if I asked you, you would not answer. [69] But from now on, the Son of Man will be seated at the right hand of the mighty God." [70] They all asked, "Are you then the Son of God?" He replied, "You are right in saying I am."
Proverbs 30:4 [NKJV] Who has ascended into heaven, or descended? Who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has bound the waters in a garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His name, and what is His Son's name, if you know?
And several translations below are available at
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Mat 16:16
Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
Shimeon Kaypha answered, “You are The Messiah, The Son of THE LIVING GOD”.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
Yeshua answered and said to him, “You are Blessed, Shimeon Bar Yona, because flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in Heaven.”
New Living Translation (©2007)
Simon Peter answered, "You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God."
New Living Translation (©2007)
Jesus replied, "You are blessed, Simon son of John, because my Father in heaven has revealed this to you. You did not learn this from any human being.
Weymouth New Testament
"Blessed are you, Simon Bar-jonah," said Jesus; "for mere human nature has not revealed this to you, but my Father in Heaven.
John 14:7-10 [7] If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him." [8] Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us." [9] Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, `Show us the Father'? [10] Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.
John 10:30 "I and the Father are one."
John 14:11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves.
John 10:31-33 [31] Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, [32] but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?" [33] "We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."
John 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.
John 17:10 [Speaking to the Father] All I have is yours, and all you have is mine. And glory has come to me through them.
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The notion that Christ never affirmed that He was God is simply nonsense and displays a gross lack of awareness of the historical Biblical record.
Thankfully, The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob has NOT left us in our sins unredeemed. Yet, we must choose HIS BLOOD as covering for our missing the mark of perfection as in an archery bull's eye.
10 “And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.
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Text13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.
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The Bible makes the direct claim that Jesus is the Son of God.1 Many others, including the disciples,2 a Roman Centurion,3 angels,4 demons5, John the Baptist,6 Martha,7 Saul (Paul),8 and the Ethiopian Eunich9 make the same claim. Others said that Jesus Himself made the claim to be the Son of God.10 The gospels also indicate that Jesus Himself made the statement or acknowledged that He was the Son of God many times.11
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Jesus claimed to have existed before He was born in Bethlehem:
"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!" At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds. (John 8:58-59)
The claim included the term "I am" - a reference God made of Himself when talking to Moses.17 The Jews immediately recognized that Jesus was claiming to be God and attempted to stone Him.
Jesus also claimed to have existed "before the world began":
"And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began." (John 17:5)
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Jesus never claimed to be God? It would seem from this large collection of sayings that Jesus made the claim to divinity constantly, in many different ways. Those who claim Jesus never said he was God are not reading his claims with the understanding of the true nature of God, as revealed in the Old and New Testaments. Jesus was constantly giving people advice. One of His favorite sayings is recorded below. It's good advice for those who really want to know Jesus.
"He who has ears to hear, let him hear."
Originally posted by Kokatsi
reply to post by Xcathdra
This clip is brilliant. Where is it from? Youtube does not say.
Originally posted by TheCommentator
Well they do it in secrecy because they aren’t given the fair and equal right to do it openly. This doesn’t mean they have bad intentions.
Originally posted by Xcathdra
Originally posted by payta
The people living in Iran are having some tough times.
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Its going to get worse... The sanctions seem to be having the desired effect.
ATS - Exclusive: Iran defaults on rice payments to Indiaedit on 8-2-2012 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by darkstar57
Please keep in mind that the most virulent anti jewish individuals and political organizations sometimes have jewish origins. Part of the Rothschild and illuminati plan to rule the world.
For example, Ahmadinejad has Jewish roots. See Alan Peters, his web site, antimullah, and search for pics of Ahmadinejad holding up his id.