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Paul camp cries fraud over Nevada Caucus results

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posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 09:28 PM
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Originally posted by hoochymama
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Wow. You really pulled out all the "paid shil" responses for that post. I dont quite understand your reasons though, they dont quite fit into the Ron Paul voting record. I will go into your specific points unless you decide to no longer contribute to the discussion which I ass/u/me you will be doing. If you dont, than were all good and I am sure you will not listen to it one bit. So, to make a long story short who do you support for the next President of YOUR USOFA.



This is endgame,
It's time for all the Ron Paul supporters to pony up and say who they will support for President. Will they get behind the one Ron Paul inevitably will endorse or go deficate in the streets with the Occupy communists?




posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 09:32 PM
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Now your true colors shine loud and clear. You have dumbfounded even yourself with that post. It shows you really know nothing about at least Dr. President Ron Paul, you may know a lot about the other Candidates, because if you did you would know that he will not come out and endorse any of the other Candidates. Now, again I will ask you a direct question as you know who I will be endorsing, but who do you endorse?? Or are you too afraid to back up your Propoganda with an actual stance.



posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 09:36 PM
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I'll take a sensible pack of sheeple over a fanatical pack of sheeple any day of the week.
Racist Newsletters
legalizing heroin, and actually tried to defend this in a national debate


Ok really Tinfoil???. There is only one kind of sheeple, the ones who can’t think for themselves, there isn’t 2 classes of sheeple, sheeple are sheeple plain and simple.

The racist newsletters ended up being false.

legalizing heroin? Are you sure he said heroin and not cannabis? Besides heroin (morphine painkillers) is already legal if prescribed to.

And you said he attempted to defend this during a debate… Well if those allegations you mentioned above were true then, why hasn’t anyone called out Ron Paul to this day? Maybe because they aren’t true, every time there is a debate its either Romney vs. Gingrich, or Santorum vs. Romney…Ron Paul just sits back and lets the other three stooges make fools of themselves, and when its RP’s turn he drops the common sense on stage like no other.



posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 09:40 PM
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You don't even follow your own candidate, only believe the hype his following creates.
Ron Paul himself has stated he is interested in a movement, he knows he will not win.
He is described by the GOP Chairman as "a good Republican", meaning in the end he will do the right thing to get what he wants. He also has a son in the GOP that he wants to position as a future leader or at least not diminish his standing in the Party. He will not hurt his son's destiny or sway off the path he is purposely on in creating a movement. The price to pay will be his endorsement by the end of the GOP convention.
Don't be shocked, just follow along like a good minion and everything will be alright when the time comes.




posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 09:45 PM
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Wow, you are too much. You for sure represent either the normal voting person which will enable the failure of the USA or you are trolling. Maybe a combination of the two. Let me know if you have a reasonable response and/or will tell me who your representing for our Country. Maybe you aren't even from the USA which is a possibility.

Show proof for your TRUE GOP statements about Dr. Paul and his Son. If you can show me those than I might listen.



posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 09:52 PM
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You guys are wasting your time and effort on TP.

If you need proof, click the first link in my signature and see how our conversation went. I think it speaks for itself.



posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 09:53 PM
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I figured as such. LOL.



posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 09:59 PM
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wrong thread....
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posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 10:01 PM
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Well I think I've said more then I can take to TP, so yeah I will just let him have his moment of shame.



posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 10:07 PM
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Some people are attracted to Ron Paul threads like flies on.....




posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 10:55 PM
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This is not a case of voter fraud this is a case of people not voting. The state is not even important enough to rig.

I see on here some people have confused themselves into thinking that media bias and voter fraud are the same and it is not.

If Ron Paul supporters want to blame somebody they should blame their own group for not showing up and voting when they were supposed to. If people showed up at the wrong time I'm sure it didn't matter who they were going to vote for it was the same rules for all of them.

The rules were set and agreed to by all parties.

The only states I would be worried about voter fraud in are the states that use computerized systems. Written ballots are the slowest but are also the most honest.

I have read every post and have yet to see anyone provide proof that there was voter fraud. I don't care what side it was on but I just want to see proof. So far it is all been opinion.

As a an American I still go by innocence until proven guilty. I still have my opinions as anyone else is entitled to them but until something is proven that is all it is, a opinion.

My opinion is that it has been disgraceful how the media has treated Ron Paul in the past but as of late I have seen him on TV more. It is also my opinion in the last interview that he did assured me in my choice not to vote for him.

I am more concerned about the allegations of voter fraud than anything else. If it is true I want to see the proof so the responsible parties are brought to justice. That is more important than anything.
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posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 12:44 AM
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Originally posted by Grimpachi
This is not a case of voter fraud this is a case of people not voting. The state is not even important enough to rig.


Really? Could you explain how and where you got this critical info that we all here would love to know?


I see on here some people have confused themselves into thinking that media bias and voter fraud are the same and it is not.


Do you know something that we do not? Let us know, we are waiting to hear about it.


If Ron Paul supporters want to blame somebody they should blame their own group for not showing up and voting when they were supposed to. If people showed up at the wrong time I'm sure it didn't matter who they were going to vote for it was the same rules for all of them.


Sounds like you don't understand how the primaries work now do yuh?


The rules were set and agreed to by all parties.


Do you even understand them though? If so, educate us all about it?


The only states I would be worried about voter fraud in are the states that use computerized systems. Written ballots are the slowest but are also the most honest.


Wrong. Both are corrupt. Online a tad more though.


I have read every post and have yet to see anyone provide proof that there was voter fraud. I don't care what side it was on but I just want to see proof. So far it is all been opinion.


At the same time, what proof have you provided for us all here that there was not any fraud?


as an American I still go by innocence until proven guilty. I still have my opinions as anyone else is entitled to them but until something is proven that is all it is, a opinion.


Oh good then. Let us know when you have located the proof that there is no voter fraud here.


My opinion is that it has been disgraceful how the media has treated Ron Paul in the past but as of late I have seen him on TV more. It is also my opinion in the last interview that he did assured me in my choice not to vote for him.


Well as much as you have repeated the phrase I, and my, that's not a suprise. How about explaining to us all exactly how he "assured you in your choice not to vote for him"?


I am more concerned about the allegations of voter fraud than anything else. If it is true I want to see the proof so the responsible parties are brought to justice. That is more important than anything.


Let's be honest Grimpachi, all you want is proof, yet you don't even hint at wanting to see any proof that it is not happening.


Where is the proof from either side? Where is your proof, got any? The simple fact of the matter is, you're perfectly comfortable with business as usual and that is exactly the problem with robot minded, sheoplized yes men like yourself who swallow every single command and order that your masters in the mass media feed you. ~SheopleNation
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posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 12:50 AM
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See, Ron Paul has a huge crowd of super enthusiastic supporters. Well the vote count doesn't match the supporters going to the booths, this, with the entrance and exit polls proves the voter fraud. Listen to what Ron has to say...


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posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 01:14 AM
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Originally posted by SheopleNation

Originally posted by Grimpachi
This is not a case of voter fraud this is a case of people not voting. The state is not even important enough to rig.


Really? Could you explain how and where you got this critical info that we all here would love to know?


I see on here some people have confused themselves into thinking that media bias and voter fraud are the same and it is not.


Do you know something that we do not? Let us know, we are waiting to hear about it.


If Ron Paul supporters want to blame somebody they should blame their own group for not showing up and voting when they were supposed to. If people showed up at the wrong time I'm sure it didn't matter who they were going to vote for it was the same rules for all of them.


Sounds like you don't understand how the primaries work now do yuh?


The rules were set and agreed to by all parties.


Do you even understand them though? If so, educate us all about it?


The only states I would be worried about voter fraud in are the states that use computerized systems. Written ballots are the slowest but are also the most honest.


Wrong. Both are corrupt. Online a tad more though.


I have read every post and have yet to see anyone provide proof that there was voter fraud. I don't care what side it was on but I just want to see proof. So far it is all been opinion.


At the same time, what proof have you provided for us all here that there was not any fraud?


as an American I still go by innocence until proven guilty. I still have my opinions as anyone else is entitled to them but until something is proven that is all it is, a opinion.


Oh good then. Let us know when you have located the proof that there is no voter fraud here.


My opinion is that it has been disgraceful how the media has treated Ron Paul in the past but as of late I have seen him on TV more. It is also my opinion in the last interview that he did assured me in my choice not to vote for him.


Well as much as you have repeated the phrase I, and my, that's not a suprise. How about explaining to us all exactly how he "assured you in your choice not to vote for him"?


I am more concerned about the allegations of voter fraud than anything else. If it is true I want to see the proof so the responsible parties are brought to justice. That is more important than anything.


Let's be honest Grimpachi, all you want is proof, yet you don't even hint at wanting to see any proof that it is not happening.


Where is the proof from either side? Where is your proof, got any? The simple fact of the matter is, you're perfectly comfortable with business as usual and that is exactly the problem with robot minded, sheoplized yes men like yourself who swallow every single command and order that your masters in the mass media feed you. ~SheopleNation
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how many times do you have to be told and by how many people need to tell you that proving a negative is not possible. You do not seem to be very smart if you cannot understand this concept. The burden of proof lies in the accuser. You do not even make any sense with statements like wanting to have proof that it is not happening. People from your own side have told you this.

You want to call robot minded that me suggest you turn yourself in to be reprogrammed because your files are obviously corrupted. Pun intended.

Either you do not understand how the primaries work or you did not understand what I said explaining things further to you I'm sure will go right over your head so I suggest you find somebody that can tutor you through this.

If you want to know what I did not like about Ron Paul's interview here it is. I will make it simple for you. I do not like his foreign-policy I do not like his domestic policy and I do not like that he is no-choice when it comes to abortion. That's right., I said no choice. There is not a battle of pro-life and pro-choice it is either pro-choice or no choice and that is the truth. He talks about personal freedom except when he doesn't agree with it which makes him a hypocrite.

Every question you asked me has been answered in this very forum so go back and read it like I did.

You can only prove something that has happened. There I said it again. Please find somebody to explain to you the difference between voter fraud and media blackout. One of them is a legal and one is not.
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posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 01:15 AM
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The American people have NEVER picked the PResident of the United States.....

I don't even know why the Paul camp are crying foul. They KNOW the Electoral College picks the PResident, NOT the people.

We're a REPUBLIC....made up of a few ruling families. Not a Democracy where people's votes count in a PResidential election.


The ONLY way Ron Paul would be PResident, is if he flew to China, declared America insolvent and corrupt and asked for their help to overthrow the usurper.



posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 01:27 AM
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Argument from ignorance, also known as argumentum ad ignorantiam or "appeal to ignorance" (where "ignorance" stands for: "lack of evidence to the contrary"), is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false, it is "generally accepted" (or vice versa). This represents a type of false dichotomy in that it excludes a third option, which is that there is insufficient investigation and therefore insufficient information to prove the proposition satisfactorily to be either true or false. Nor does it allow the admission that the choices may in fact not be two (true or false), but may be as many as four, (1) true, (2) false, (3) unknown between true or false, and (4) being unknowable (among the first three).[1] In debates, appeals to ignorance are sometimes used to shift the burden of proof.

Argument from ignorance may be used as a rationalization by a person who realizes that he has no reason for holding the belief that he does.


So stop asking for proof of nothing.=also known as argumentum ad ignorantiam or "appeal to ignorance



posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 01:49 AM
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Ron Paul said himself. The total vote didn't show up and his votes didn't show up. He never said anything about voter fraud. The people that were supposed to vote for him did not show up and vote.

Where do you get from this interview the idea of proof?



posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 03:44 PM
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Talked directly to the head of the Paul campaign in Nevada. Carl Bunce tells me that so far, there is no apparent voter fraud in Nevada.

Bunce says "Yes we had the numbers to win easily around 23,000+ ID'd, but Dr. Paul supporters did not show up. I have people I consider good friends that said they just did not make it....we got 3rd because we did not Turn-out."

Part of the reason for the low turnout could also be the lack of understanding of the caucus process... i'll explain the mess in Nevada and why the delegate process may be very bad for Rick Santorum and very good for Ron Paul tonight.


From Ben Swann at FOX in Cincinnati. The host of the Reality Check series.

Hopefully this will put everything to rest.



posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 10:45 PM
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Originally posted by Grimpachi

how many times do you have to be told and by how many people need to tell you that proving a negative is not possible. You do not seem to be very smart if you cannot understand this concept. The burden of proof lies in the accuser. You do not even make any sense with statements like wanting to have proof that it is not happening. People from your own side have told you this.


Hey Grimmy, You have never told me anything because you and I have never debated. I guess it sounds good to anyone else though. LOL! Cause Wow, I feel so owned right now. Did you get your education from some NYU professor? LOL again! Come on now, let's just discuss this.


Either you do not understand how the primaries work


Isn't that what I just said to you prior to your response? Ok, I understand that you're banking on those who have not followed our discussion. That's ok, whatever you need to grasp a hold of.


or you did not understand what I said explaining things further to you I'm sure will go right over your head so I suggest you find somebody that can tutor you through this.


Is this one of those I know you are but so am I games you played in Grade school? Because anyone with a brain can see you're just repeating almost everything I just posted to you. I know you think people here are stupid, but you should give them more credit than that.


If you want to know what I did not like about Ron Paul's interview here it is. I will make it simple for you. I do not like his foreign-policy I do not like his domestic policy and I do not like that he is no-choice when it comes to abortion. That's right., I said no choice. There is not a battle of pro-life and pro-choice it is either pro-choice or no choice and that is the truth. He talks about personal freedom except when he doesn't agree with it which makes him a hypocrite.


There yuh go buddy. In this thread, I really don't care to get into some baby killers and those who support them, but since you brought it up, I can only thank you for letting us all know exactly what your problem is.



Every question you asked me has been answered in this very forum so go back and read it like I did.


Saying that is one thing, posting the links so you can back it up is another my friend.



You can only prove something that has happened. There I said it again. Please find somebody to explain to you the difference between voter fraud and media blackout. One of them is a legal and one is not.


Poor guy. You are the product and the perfect example of many, many years (maybe decades) of mass media brainwashing. It's not your fault though, it happens to alot of Sheople. Don't go away mad though, just go away and continue to bow down to those who tell you exactly how things are and why anything is. Enjoy your ride!

Next time though, can we stick to the subject instead of discussing how much kool aid you gulp every single day from the puppet masters and their payed robot media tycoons who report their fabricated lies and propaganda? If you could swing just that, there might be some hope for you in your life, not to mention following the rules here which is to stick to the topic of the thread. ~SheopleNation
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posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 10:58 PM
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Originally posted by GrimpachiSo stop asking for proof of nothing.=also known as argumentum ad ignorantiam or "appeal to ignorance


Grimey's claim to fame!

"argumentum ad ignorantiam"

Too bad you stole that from some other poster who owned you here, or on some other website. Come on buddy, let's just stick to the subject of the thread, which is voter fraud in Nevada against Ron Paul! ~SheopleNation



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