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Paul camp cries fraud over Nevada Caucus results

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posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 05:08 PM
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Seems like the Paul campaign is making a point to distance themselves from the accusations of voter fraud. I received this e-mail last night (Monday) from Adam de Angeli, the Michigan Campaign Coordinator:


Now, I do want to make a moment to talk about the Nevada results.

Everyone is saying there was vote fraud in Nevada.

I have made a 30 minute video discussing how to prevent vote fraud in Michigan. It's posted to Grassroots Central (login here to be taken there.) This is critical information. The short story is this: Iowa and Nevada were NOT examples of vote fraud; in fact Iowa's results showed that with paper ballots and hand counting the truth can be traced fairly easily. And in Nevada, the campaign made some mistakes early on which hobbled us in the state. I cannot go into the details here, but suffice to say there is no evidence of vote fraud other than that the result wasn't what we wanted. I discuss this in much more detail in the video.

There is, however, a very real concern about electronic voting machines mangling the results. Please watch the video--I go into some detail about how to prevent this.

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posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 05:24 PM
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Originally posted by marinesniper0351
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I agree with Searcher, lets see the evidence please...not stupid responses like "do you really not think yadyada" or "everyone know they blah are rigged" yada...

I am no Mitt fan but but saying things that re unfounded puts YOU at the same level as Obama... : )

Sniper
We had evidence back when bush won



posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 05:26 PM
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Originally posted by nick112
Seems like the Paul campaign is making a point to distance themselves from the accusations of voter fraud. I received this e-mail last night (Monday) from Adam de Angeli, the Michigan Campaign Coordinator:


Now, I do want to make a moment to talk about the Nevada results.

Everyone is saying there was vote fraud in Nevada.

I have made a 30 minute video discussing how to prevent vote fraud in Michigan. It's posted to Grassroots Central (login here to be taken there.) This is critical information. The short story is this: Iowa and Nevada were NOT examples of vote fraud; in fact Iowa's results showed that with paper ballots and hand counting the truth can be traced fairly easily. And in Nevada, the campaign made some mistakes early on which hobbled us in the state. I cannot go into the details here, but suffice to say there is no evidence of vote fraud other than that the result wasn't what we wanted. I discuss this in much more detail in the video.

There is, however, a very real concern about electronic voting machines mangling the results. Please watch the video--I go into some detail about how to prevent this.

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Well there you have it folks...Ron Paul himself saying there was NO voter fraud.

Hopefully this will settle it.



posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 05:36 PM
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I'm sure there are members here on ATS who also receive e-mails from the Paul campaign. It'd be interesting to see if each state campaign coordinator has sent out similar e-mails, or if it was just from this guy in Michigan. Can anyone post anything they've received that says the same thing?



posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 05:39 PM
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The Paul "camp" literally cry foul about everything, place the blame on everyone apart from Paul.



posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 05:49 PM
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If you don't mind can you post a link to that source in which you pulled that piece out of? I would like to read it more in depth. Thanks
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posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 06:01 PM
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Originally posted by KonquestAbySS
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I don't think you have enough logic to even come up with a logical conclusion, let the people who have a better grasp about this subject do the typing for you. You will only make your fellow comrades look bad, your that one bad apple that no one wants a part of their tree.


No, I am with the majority of the people who logically don't want Ron Paul anywhere near the presidency, proven by his losses in every State so far and every State to come.



posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 06:05 PM
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Originally posted by TinfoilTP

Originally posted by KonquestAbySS
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I don't think you have enough logic to even come up with a logical conclusion, let the people who have a better grasp about this subject do the typing for you. You will only make your fellow comrades look bad, your that one bad apple that no one wants a part of their tree.


No, I am with the majority of the people who logically don't want Ron Paul anywhere near the presidency, proven by his losses in every State so far and every State to come.


The truth.



posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 06:14 PM
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No, I am with the majority of the people who logically don't want Ron Paul anywhere near the presidency, proven by his losses in every State so far and every State to come.


So you are with the majority of sheeple who don't want Ron Paul to win because of an illogical reason?. Losses mean nothing at this point, I suggest coming up with an actual logical reason of why you are running with the herd. So far it sounds like your just on the bandwagon.



posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 06:23 PM
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Originally posted by MrWendal
That is not entirely true. He could, without Congress, order our troops home right away.


Well yeah, but he would then probably end up like Kennedy. ~SheopleNation



posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 06:39 PM
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Those who want to make the argument that Dr. President Paul has no chance or hasn't won a State yet should not forget that Hillary won Nevada over Obama so the seeds of "change" can still resonate. I wouldn't be so quick to write him off. But to those who just want to bash a RP supporter just to beat someone down is the illogical part. What Candidate do you believe in?? I also noticed in someones title as well as one of there sentences in a post imply we will go back to the stone ages if Dr. President Paul is elected. I argue the opposite, he will lead us to great prosperity because the World will still be intact. Trust me, bombing Iran and making this the 4 or 5th illegal War in about 15yrs (not counting Serbia) seems like the bad move to me which means that any of the other Candidates you support will actually lead us to the Stone Age again because of War, Dollar Collapse, Unemployment, Shipping all our Manufacturing jobs overseas, the list goes on and on.



posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 07:07 PM
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Originally posted by TinfoilTP
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I was directly addressing why he is losing while you are out in never never land crying voter fraud.


See? This statement alone proves you have no idea what you are talking about. I challenge you to read every single one of my post in this thread and show me where I claim vote fraud?

The truth is, I have been very clear in saying I am not claiming voter fraud and that I would need to see evidence before I would, but I guess it's just much easier to speak of things we know nothing about and pass it off as fact isn't it?

A bridge somewhere is missing it's troll



posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 07:30 PM
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I am claiming voter fraud. Only a complete brainwashed robot yes man doesn't see it. Look at the mass media poll fraud. Of course their is voter fraud going on here. Probably happens with everyone, but the fraud on Paul most likely sets new records. ~SheopleNation



posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 08:51 PM
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Yeah, that's why you posted a chart interpreting it as something wrong....you basically tried to say his support was higher than 4 years ago in the the State elections before Nevada but Nevada didn't follow the same trend so something must be wrong.
All I did was point you in the correct direction, nothing is wrong because when you lose 4 States in a row then the 5th State you lose in is bound to have less support when nobody believes you can win anymore. Losing does that, it defines you as a loser and people don't gravitate to you in elections any longer.

Oh, and it looks like Ron Paul is losing as per usual in Minnesota, Colorado and Missouri tonight. Fresh material for all you voter fraud whiners to go muck around in, have fun.



posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 08:56 PM
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Originally posted by KonquestAbySS
reply to post by nick112
 


If you don't mind can you post a link to that source in which you pulled that piece out of? I would like to read it more in depth. Thanks
edit on 7-2-2012 by KonquestAbySS because: (no reason given)


This comes from an e-mail I received from the Michigan campaign coordinator for the Ron Paul campaign. Here is the entire e-mail.


Dear Michigan Patriots,

In just one more day... Michigan's primary will be the next major event in the race. Except for Maine's rolling caucuses, which end Saturday.

Tomorrow, Minnesota and Colorado hold their caucuses. Maine's week-long caucus ends Saturday. Then, we're next: three weeks later, February 28, we hold our primary.

This Thursday, please join us for a web conference. Click here to register.

We will have a lot to go over, including Michigan's campaign plan, as much may change in just a few days. Your questions will be answered. Click here to register.

Things are getting hectic. Absentee ballots are out, and you can download your absentee voter list from Grassroots Central on our website. These folks are voting right now.

For my part, planning campaign events and other campaign duties are taking up a growing amount of my time, so I apologize for not writing more frequently.

But this Thursday, we will have much to discuss, so please do click here to register to join us then.

Now, I do want to make a moment to talk about the Nevada results.

Everyone is saying there was vote fraud in Nevada.

I have made a 30 minute video discussing how to prevent vote fraud in Michigan. It's posted to Grassroots Central (login here to be taken there.) This is critical information.

The short story is this: Iowa and Nevada were NOT examples of vote fraud; in fact Iowa's results showed that with paper ballots and hand counting the truth can be traced fairly easily. And in Nevada, the campaign made some mistakes early on which hobbled us in the state. I cannot go into the details here, but suffice to say there is no evidence of vote fraud other than that the result wasn't what we wanted. I discuss this in much more detail in the video.

There is, however, a very real concern about electronic voting machines mangling the results. Please watch the video--I go into some detail about how to prevent this.

That's on Grassroots Central, at the top of the set of videos.

Most importantly, please continue onward with our program. You guys are all doing a fantastic job. We are seeing exponential growth in our local organizations; more people are going out and canvassing in this wonderful winter weather, and people are getting better and better at conveying the message of victory each day.

We have an exciting month to look forward to. Join us Thursday at 7:30 for our next web conference (click here to register), and in the meantime, if you haven't already, please check out the tools and training found at Grassroots Central, and connect with your local campaign organization.

Thanks again for all that you do for Liberty,

Adam de Angeli
Michigan Coordinator, Ron Paul 2012




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posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 09:09 PM
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Originally posted by KonquestAbySS
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No, I am with the majority of the people who logically don't want Ron Paul anywhere near the presidency, proven by his losses in every State so far and every State to come.


So you are with the majority of sheeple who don't want Ron Paul to win because of an illogical reason?. Losses mean nothing at this point, I suggest coming up with an actual logical reason of why you are running with the herd. So far it sounds like your just on the bandwagon.


Yes, I'll take a sensible pack of sheeple over a fanatical pack of sheeple any day of the week.
Reasons,
No record do nothing Congressman
Pulls the words "Freedom" and "Liberty" out of his hat so often that they basically have no meaning in his context.
Racist Newsletters
Tells women to "just go home" if harrassed at work on a CNN interview
A blame america first attitude towards all foreign policy
legalizing heroin, and actually tried to defend this in a national debate

So if you hate this country, hate women, are a bigot and into hardcore drugs he's your man to feed you liberty and freedom.

Now why is he losing again?



posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 09:11 PM
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Whats ur motive?? Besides the obvious, it seems you didnt quite get my last post. Clinton won Nevada and Obama didnt. Obama won the White House. So with your Logic, Romney wins some states (he hasn't won them all so dont get too excited), Dr. President Paul wins the White House. LOL Perfect.



posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 09:15 PM
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Originally posted by hoochymama
reply to post by TinfoilTP
 
Whats ur motive?? Besides the obvious, it seems you didnt quite get my last post. Clinton won Nevada and Obama didnt. Obama won the White House. So with your Logic, Romney wins some states (he hasn't won them all so dont get too excited), Dr. President Paul wins the White House. LOL Perfect.



Name one State Ron Paul won? Obama won States.
Name any candidate that never won a single State and still won the nomination.
You are not making fair comparisons, you are only fooling yourself.
All this losing is making some delusional as evidenced by the arguments coming up.
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posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 09:15 PM
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Wow. You really pulled out all the "paid shil" responses for that post. I dont quite understand your reasons though, they dont quite fit into the Ron Paul voting record. I will go into your specific points unless you decide to no longer contribute to the discussion which I ass/u/me you will be doing. If you dont, than were all good and I am sure you will not listen to it one bit. So, to make a long story short who do you support for the next President of YOUR USOFA.



posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 09:20 PM
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Hahaha...he is picking up Delegates, which is the name of the game. Sure, I am not disputing your points as far as he is the Underdog but come on, you have to understand there are a lot more States in the Union than just 4. Correct me if I am wrong. Maybe you might need a memory test or something because Obama was NOT the leading Candidate for the Democrats and he made a late push. Romney hasn't won every State so the first one he didn't win (which was the first, Iowa Santorem won that one) did you say Romney is finished and why is everyone even trying to vote him in?? Of course not, because the Evening News made sure he would stay a Viable Candidate. Considering the Coverage Dr. President Paul gets its not even fair to compare. True Grass Roots is what it is. It can grow unless it gets killed by Roundup (NEWS).

Oh, and it looks like Santorem will be Winning Minn. so should Romney bow out now?? Should Newt quit?? Based on your logic everyone should quit if they didn't win a State. Your counting your eggs (arguments) before they hatch.
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