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Theory, the 24 Elders

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posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 11:03 AM
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So i am wrong in longing for Christ's return


Apparently.


"And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely." ~ Rev. 22-17


My thoughts are that people who are not looking forward to Him "coming" neither have His "Spirit" nor are part of the "bride".




posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 11:03 AM
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Regeneration = rebirth/born again

OK, then, please define: born again



posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 11:33 AM
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Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
 

Regeneration = rebirth/born again

OK, then, please define: born again


I'm not playing the definition game with you. You claim to be a Christian, you're familiar with the term "born-again".



posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 11:47 AM
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That's fine because that leaves me free to make up whatever definition you have for it and make posts about it.
Let me see . .
Born again according to your philosophy means having a bubble around you so that God can not tell if you are sinning or not.



posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 12:00 PM
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Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
 

That's fine because that leaves me free to make up whatever definition you have for it and make posts about it.
Let me see . .
Born again according to your philosophy means having a bubble around you so that God can not tell if you are sinning or not.


Absurd notion. I'm beginning to consider the possibility you're not a mentally stable person. It's either that, or you receive enjoyment from lying about and slander towards others.



posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 12:07 PM
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So i am wrong in longing for Christ's return and an end to this evil? I am not going to make a religion out of providing for everyone's needs to glorify myself, because that is exactly what would it would lead to. I am far from rich and i help far more than i can afford to, so much to the point it causes fights with my wife and i have problems paying my bills.

Do not even talk to me about the proper attitudes of a christian you have no idea what i put myself through, to the point of destroying my own body and health.
Is it right that God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son?
Jesus came and he suffered and he died and was risen and has gone to his father but does not leave us alone but has sent the Paraclete
John 16:7,
But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I am going away. For if I do not go away, the Advocate will not come to you, but if I go, I will send him to you.

Then Jesus ends his farewell discourse by saying,

In the world you have trouble and suffering, but take courage – I have conquered the world.”

This is to us past history.
Jesus is not saying, 'take courage, I will soon enough destroy the world.'
The Holy Spirit is here and Jesus through it, so we can make the world a decent place to live but it is not a free ride and through perseverance it will be a joyous place to live.



posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 12:10 PM
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"And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely." ~ Rev. 22-17


My thoughts are that people who are not looking forward to Him "coming" neither have His "Spirit" nor are part of the "bride".

edit on 7-2-2012 by NOTurTypical because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 12:18 PM
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. . . and slander towards others.


How about this definition and see if it fits you (while taking a glance at your own signature)?

sacrilegious: Grossly irreverent toward what is, or is held to be, sacred.



posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 12:24 PM
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Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
 

. . . and slander towards others.


How about this definition and see if it fits you (while taking a glance at your own signature)?

sacrilegious: Grossly irreverent toward what is, or is held to be, sacred.


Religion is only "sacred" to those who worship religion.



posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 12:27 PM
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My thoughts are that people who are not looking forward to Him "coming" neither have His "Spirit" nor are part of the "bride".

This is highly figurative with several layers of symbology stacked up and is not, obviously, to be taken to mean the hell and destruction and blood-letting that your cult-belief envisions.



posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 12:38 PM
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Religion is only "sacred" to those who worship religion.

This is slander of the highest order and on a massive scale.



posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 12:39 PM
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Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
 

My thoughts are that people who are not looking forward to Him "coming" neither have His "Spirit" nor are part of the "bride".

This is highly figurative with several layers of symbology stacked up and is not, obviously, to be taken to mean the hell and destruction and blood-letting that your cult-belief envisions.


You do realize some of us Christians don't view scripture either as "figurative" or "symbolic" correct?



posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 12:42 PM
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Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
 

Religion is only "sacred" to those who worship religion.

This is slander of the highest order and on a massive scale.


Apparently you worship religion then if you consider that statement "slander". lol



posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 12:43 PM
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Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by lonewolf19792000
 

So i am wrong in longing for Christ's return and an end to this evil? I am not going to make a religion out of providing for everyone's needs to glorify myself, because that is exactly what would it would lead to. I am far from rich and i help far more than i can afford to, so much to the point it causes fights with my wife and i have problems paying my bills.

Do not even talk to me about the proper attitudes of a christian you have no idea what i put myself through, to the point of destroying my own body and health.
Is it right that God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son?
Jesus came and he suffered and he died and was risen and has gone to his father but does not leave us alone but has sent the Paraclete
John 16:7,
But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I am going away. For if I do not go away, the Advocate will not come to you, but if I go, I will send him to you.

Then Jesus ends his farewell discourse by saying,

In the world you have trouble and suffering, but take courage – I have conquered the world.”

This is to us past history.
Jesus is not saying, 'take courage, I will soon enough destroy the world.'
The Holy Spirit is here and Jesus through it, so we can make the world a decent place to live but it is not a free ride and through perseverance it will be a joyous place to live.


I didn't say i was advocating the world be destroyed. I said i want to leave it behind, or for him to return and put a stop to this nonsense. His second coming he doesn't destroy the world, he brings order to chaos.



posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 12:43 PM
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You do realize some of us Christians don't view scripture either as "figurative" or "symbolic" correct?

I know you are talking to jmdewey here, but, uh, yeah, we get it...
some of you are literalists who tout your favorite version of the very distant and compromised translations, losses in translation notwithstanding, nor metaphor.

That's what is so peculiar.



posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 12:44 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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Of a truth, every eye will see. And every knee will bow. But, not all receive the harpazzo which is what the discussion topic was about. Salvation in total is much larger than just those harpazo'd.


The harpazo isn't a blessing for salvation, it's a blessing for the overcomer. I myself still pray that I be accounted worthy to go in it, but I don't think I'm sufficiently sanctified yet. If I were the judge of whether or not I was "overcome" enough to go or not I'd have to vote "no".


If we draw a circle labeled Salvation, and draw a circle labeled Harpazzo, we can then place the entire circle of harpazzo inside the circle of salvation but the entire circle of salvation still encompasses more room for those who come out of great tribulation.

I too pray that I be found spotless, blameless, and at peace with him at his coming (2 Peter 3) and know that on my own merit i don't deserve anything but by the Word I know wherein my hope lies and I know that I need to be watching for a special day fortold lest it come upon me like a thief and I miss it.

Luke 21: "34And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. 35For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. 36Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."


The harpazzo is the whole point for some of us.



posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 12:45 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
 

My thoughts are that people who are not looking forward to Him "coming" neither have His "Spirit" nor are part of the "bride".

This is highly figurative with several layers of symbology stacked up and is not, obviously, to be taken to mean the hell and destruction and blood-letting that your cult-belief envisions.


You do realize some of us Christians don't view scripture either as "figurative" or "symbolic" correct?


OK, then explain this without any figurativeness of symbolism, just the straight literal interpretation:

"And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely."



posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 12:52 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
 

Religion is only "sacred" to those who worship religion.

This is slander of the highest order and on a massive scale.


Apparently you worship religion then if you consider that statement "slander". lol

No because if it was a true statement then it would not be slander.



posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 12:54 PM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 12:55 PM
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Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by HeFrippedMeOff
 

The interpretation of the "Church" being the "Bride" isn't scriptural.

Are you including Revelation with "scripture"?
My interpretation of it (The Bride) would be the life that the church enjoys thanks to Jesus.


Yes, I am including John's Revelation of Jesus with "scripture." John refers to the new Jerusalem as the Bride (Revelation 2:2). Your interpretation may not be necessarily incorrect in some way but in a very literal sense, the Bride is the New Jerusalem and I'll take John's word for it over my or anyone's private interpretation any day.




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