What if Obama looses in 2012?

reply to post by ownbestenemy


My understanding is that the electors are either republican or democrat. so the third party would not get any votes from the electoral college. the second place puppet would win.

Right?

Originally posted by saltdog
. Sooner or later the gravey train, that this nation has for the lazy unwilling to work people...will catch up to it.

Man you wrote a nice piece, until you had to stick your agenda in the middle.

My Friend, it IS the Politicans, screwing this country up, from Wars we dont want. Bailouts we dont want. Laws we dont want. And they they blame the Lowest people on the ladder, And you eat it up.

reply to post by kaleshchand

Do you really think that something would change if Ron Paul were to win?

Yep.

I don't think it will, either he will end up being a puppet

Very unlikely, as throughout his 30 year career in Congress, he hasn't been corrupted.

or end up dead. I don't like it but thats the reality.

The corruption, I disagree with entirely, but him getting killed seems like it's very likely. Don't get me wrong, I love the guy and support him more than anyone, but that doesn't mean that he's bulletproof. And these wealthy bankers and whoever else is controlling our government from behind the scenes wouldn't lose a second of sleep over assassinating him.

For anything to change the entire thing has to burn down, then bulldozed away before something better can be built, its so corrupt, even the ashes would be corrupt.

I agree that there would have to be a massive event for things to change, but this doesn't necessarily mean a violent revolution. Why not a peaceful revolution where the people wake up, and realize that things need to change, and they make this change happen without picking up a weapon?

If 95% of Americans supported getting rid of the Fed and simply following the Constitution, would those 5% be able to say "Nope, you're wrong, do it our way"? I don't think so. I think it's possible to have a peaceful revolution, but we're so far down the line that it seems more and more unlikely with each passing month.

how can people who have never had to survive take the reins of a country and truly understand whats important?

Rite of passage 2 weeks in the desert for all presidents.

Originally posted by kaleshchand
reply to post by TupacShakur

 

Do you really think that something would change if Ron Paul were to win?

I don't think it will, either he will end up being a puppet, or end up dead.

Neither
He would simply be countered on everything by a blue and red house and senate that would not approve anything he did (they don't want some independent to win..they want their team or nothing.)

No need for assassinations or any of the like.

Obama and Romney and others are the same with exception of Ron Paul.

Originally posted by SWCCFAN
reply to post by ownbestenemy

 

My understanding is that the electors are either republican or democrat. so the third party would not get any votes from the electoral college. the second place puppet would win.

Right?

While many hold onto a party affiliation it isn't a requirement. The basis of the Republic is a ground-up process (the process and the way it is conveyed to the People is that it is a Top-Down process) starting with the smallest and more local municipalities and communities.

The process in which individual states choose their electors is deferred to individual states via the United States Constitution. So say you live in California -- you do have to lobby a "recognized" party to at least "run" for and be selected as an elector. Some parties have predetermined persons of interest that automatically become electors. Others select their elector's at their conventions.

The point is, if you want to start to change things, you have to start at the bottom and then push upward. Top-down politics is what we are lead to believe to be the norm.

Post Script: In contrast other State's might say all eligible voters can be eligible to be an elector. It is up to each individual state. Some do so via their State Legislatures and other various means.

reply to post by TupacShakur


I have a lot of respect for him as well and really wish him success in what he wants to do, just that pesky reality gets in the way.

First of all I don't think they will let him win, does it look as if they want to let him win with all the propaganda against him?
And if he does win, a few hundred million in tax free money could change his mind, no? if not well you know the rest.

And about the violence part, I'm sorry if I came across that way. I don't advocate violence, although I also think getting 95% of any country to cooperate will need a miracle in itself. What I really meant was the entire system must be changed completely. The electoral college, voting system, senate, the laws and all, need to be completely wiped clean and rewritten, just patching them up will do no good.

Originally posted by TupacShakur
reply to post by kaleshchand

 

Do you really think that something would change if Ron Paul were to win?

Yep.

I don't think it will, either he will end up being a puppet

Very unlikely, as throughout his 30 year career in Congress, he hasn't been corrupted.

or end up dead. I don't like it but thats the reality.

The corruption, I disagree with entirely, but him getting killed seems like it's very likely. Don't get me wrong, I love the guy and support him more than anyone, but that doesn't mean that he's bulletproof. And these wealthy bankers and whoever else is controlling our government from behind the scenes wouldn't lose a second of sleep over assassinating him.

For anything to change the entire thing has to burn down, then bulldozed away before something better can be built, its so corrupt, even the ashes would be corrupt.

I agree that there would have to be a massive event for things to change, but this doesn't necessarily mean a violent revolution. Why not a peaceful revolution where the people wake up, and realize that things need to change, and they make this change happen without picking up a weapon?

If 95% of Americans supported getting rid of the Fed and simply following the Constitution, would those 5% be able to say "Nope, you're wrong, do it our way"? I don't think so. I think it's possible to have a peaceful revolution, but we're so far down the line that it seems more and more unlikely with each passing month.

Excuse me but I want to know how Ron Paul will make the change happen? I don't see him accomplishing anything if he gets elected.

Congress would shoot down all of his plans, I don't see him accomplishing anything and would just go down as another do nothing president.

Any minor changes he would manage to accomplish would be instantly made irrelevant as soon as the next POTUS stepped in.

If a Republican, namely Romney, replaces Obama in the White House next year I expect to see a reversal of the federal government's (reluctant) tolerance of the various states' medical mj laws be bulldozed over. The federal agencies will then be taking every measure to enforce federal law and state laws to the contrary, will of the people, will no longer be tolerated.

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Well my guess is if Obama loses then Romney will win, there is no difference and both have the same ideals. Romney has grown up with socialist ideals without a doubt and I'm willing to bet a "devil in sheeps clothing". You even have George Soros saying there is not much difference and now the funding from the banks goes from Obama to Romney.



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reply to post by SWCCFAN


If he loses? The President is just a figurehead illusion of freedom.

Haven't you noticed that since bush the policies haven't changed any.
More reduction of freedoms. More government.
More military spending.

And that's not going to change with the current crop of politicians.
Expect more of the same from presidential candidates.
No matter what the party.

If Obama loses, the changes would be determined on what happens in the Senate and the House.

The Senate is almost more important this year than the Office of President.

If Obama loses and Romney wins (we all know it's going to be Romney) AND the Republicans gain control of the Senate (god forbid a super majority), then we will see significant changes. More tax cuts for the rich, capital gains tax goes to zero, more likely to have war in Iran, de-regulation of banks/wallstreet, de-regulation of many other industries, the repeal of the healthcare reform ( pre-existing conditions and benefit caps for everyone, yay), and there is much much more.

If the Republicans keep the house and the Democrats keep the Senate, regardless of who wins the President...then we will see what we have seen for the past 2 years...gridlock, bickering, and not much of anything happening.

Other than that...if he loses he loses...life goes on.

I'm personally still all for giving Obama another shot. Because of him, I have guaranteed healthcare until the age of 26 so if I have an accident or something I don't have to worry about full hospital fees or paying for my own insurance so he has in that way helped me out a LOT. I also believe that we're in the biggest state of stability now than we have been in years. The economic problems were monumental and the people that think one man could fix it in four years are just morons. He said he would try to turn the nation around and he's giving his best go at the current time and deserves more time to work. We do NOT need Republicans in office at this point in the country's borderline barely stable condition. That to me would be the upcoming death sentence to our country. The rich would walk away richer and the poor nonexistant because they just would not be able to economically survive.

Warlord Obama won't lose, not VS Mitt, not VS Gingrich. The only candidate who has a chance of beating Obama is Paul because he can get the independent, moderate democrat, AND republican vote.

Money is another issue altogether, but I know many democrats who would prefer Paul to Obama, and Obama to Romney/Gingrich.

There are many people who are fed up with Obama, but Romney and Gingrich are so disgusting and repugnant that people will vote for Obama just to prevent such scum from getting into office; lesser of two evils mentality.

I think I would even vote for Obama just to spite Romney. Not that my vote matters. Obama is awful, Romney is worse. Considering the amount of money Obama has to slander and expose Romney, I don't think Romney has any chance, unless he can somehow manage to convince Ron Paul to run with him as VP.

Hate to say this but I don't think Obama will lose.
He has been blaming the Republican Congress for not letting him do the things he's been wanting to do over the last year.
He's griped and complained about not being allowed to spend and waste like he did during his first two porkulating years, yet he does not realize that his in-actions are finally improving the economy.

So there you have it, Obama will win re-election, thanks to a Republican Congress that keeps telling him "NO"!

The next guy will pick up where President Obama left off. Nothing to see here people. Move along! I see no difference in any of the opposition's candidates, and it looks like the heir apparent is Mitt Romney who is akin to Obama in terms of some of his policies as governor of Mass. I mean he is a left leaning moderate Republican. To be honest, I don't care for any of the candidates.

The spending will continue, business buddies will get hooked-up, scandal here and scandal there, some saber rattling and warmongering for good measure, and business as usual in Washington. More of the same as far as I am concerned. People think they got a choice. Ha! The dog and pony show of American politics. Parlor games and smoking mirrors. The show much go on.

Originally posted by Tw0Sides

Originally posted by SWCCFAN
reply to post by Tw0Sides

 

I see it as a lose lose situation for America no one with the exception of Congressmen Paul on the republican side make any sense.

I wonder if a third party person did win the popular vote how would the electoral college work then?

I too am for RP.

But will vote Obama , instead of Mitt or Grewt.

No way anyone but the current POTUS or Mitt will win, it what they want.

A Punch and Judy show in the WH.

Reconsider your alternatives - If RP is not the Repub nominee, consider doing a write in. I live in arguably one of the most liberal states in the continental US and my vote never matters anyway. I can afford a conscience vote.

What if Obama looses in 2012?,

Then i'll be celebrating that he's out of the Oval Office.
And after that celebration I'll be bummed out that Mitt Romney is in.
And then we'll all be looking forward to 2016 in the hopes that someone better will come along.
And then in 2016 we'll probably be glad Mitt is out and bummed that _____ (fill in blank) is in.
And then ........