Iraq war illegal

Also International Human Rights do exist. Failure to do will result in trials before the Hague Tribunal. Saddam and his regime have committed torture, extermination of political opponents, blackmail, war crimes, religious intoleration and a lot of other nasty things. Therefore Saddam is a criminal.
It was a good day when Saddam's regime has finally fallen

What about Bush and Blair to wage war under excuse and resulting in tens of thousands of people died and many more ruined?

An excellent point. Iraq, an already worn-down nation where millions died of famine a couple of years ago because of US policy, was literally raped by a madman calling himself president of the united states. He told us that it is because of WMD, terrorism and democracy. Many believed him. It turned out that these hundreds of thousands of victims were in vain. No WMD. No Threat to neighbouring countries. No terrorism. And closer now to ivil war than to a democracy. These innocent children had to die because of nothing ???

They died for the whim and grandeur of the war criminal Mr. Bush.

If these are legitimate issue, why do you hear it from odd websites and college mags, and not the legitimate media, or even more, from political opponents.

Is Kerry any better? and if so, why isn't he using this as a political tool? He is withholding information from the American people, and therefore is no better than Bush

Do you equate Hitler with a criminal killed one person? Bush has the blood of tens thousands in his hand. You just want Bush at any cost.

Kerry might not be as clean as we all want, but at least he is a lesser evil.

Is in't that a bit scary!!!! Anyone can do whatever they want...I'm sure US has massive destruction weapon to blow the whole planet!!!
UN is nothing...totally a big nice joke to make people like us ''secure''

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The UN is nothing more than a bunch of busy bodies.

Every nation on the planet has the right to defend themselves. Even if that means hitting them before they have a chance to hit you.

Personally if i knew someone was planning to take me out, and i had hard evidence to support it. You can be sure i'd do everything in my power to take them out before they got their chance.




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So you are saying US had “hard evidence” to start a war against Iraq?

I hope you all know

The Bush Regime Card Deck

www.reseauvoltaire.net...

Can you cite the source for this law or not?


Hussein's Iraq wasn't even a threat to its neighbors? As long as the entire planet was putting terribly destructive sanctions on it right?


Completely irrelevant and unoriginal


What nation or security/intelligence agencies didn't think that the Iraqis had WMD? Why couldn't the Iraqis demonstrate that they had in fact destroyed their WMD?

The source of the law is the statutes of the UN. The passage is known as "Interdiction of Violence". A little research on "war crimes" and "crimes against peace" will bring up the documents.

A discussion of the relevant passages in international law can be found in deoxy.org...



Iraq did comply with the UNSC resolution, submitted a dossier and opened the doors to inspectors, proving they had no WMD. If you remember, insane Bush attacked Iraq before the inspections could come to an conclusive end. They were afraid nothing would have been found. Everyone on earth, except fox news viewers knew there were no WMD. That's why France threatened to veto the attack on Iraq. Because the WMD allegations were known by everyone to be Bush's personal fantasy.


[edit on 17-9-2004 by Mokuhadzushi]

I do remember the weapons inspectors were being pulled out early and Hans Blix was against it.

Oooh oooh but wait, Secretary of State Colin Powell said that Iraqi UAVs could sneak into the United States and poison American cities.

Look, the dreadful Africa / Mediterranean / Atlantic Ocean / NATO - IAF - NORAD DEAFEATING IRAQI UAV OF MASS DESTRUCTION:


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The source of the law is the statutes of the UN. The passage is known as "Interdiction of Violence". A little research on "war crimes" and "crimes against peace" will bring up the documents.

This is complete nonsense.. you didnt read through the sources, obviously. Your camouflaged chemicals plant put forward by fox news was nothing but a glass factory and your mobile chemical labs were weather stations. You are living Collin Powell's fantasy. If i were you, i would sue Bush for a ****ing up your mind into incoherent fantasy WMD gibberish. Enough Nations (in fact the whole security council except the united states) stated that Collin Powell's "proof" was total nonsense, after the french unmasked some of the american proof as forgeries, or after it came to light that the british "WMD Dossier" was a patchwork of 1993 internet sources and photocopies from cheap magazines everyone, including the most childish mind, knew this was a staged coup. Come on, don't play dumber than Bush himself.

Further reading partaking in the education of republicans that obviously missed history lessons and who had no moral education : The principles of the Nuremberg Trials : deoxy.org...

The charge of war crimes and crimes against peace is also defined in this document.



[edit on 17-9-2004 by Mokuhadzushi]

Not to mention 2 chief UN weapons inspectors, Blix and Ritter, said there was nothing there.

Not to mention 2 former Centcom commanders, both US Marines like Ritter, Hoare and Zinni (Zinni served as special envoy to the Middle East after Marine retirement for Bush admin.) said that Saddam was well contained.

Really...it's moot point....The world will NOT do anything to Bush, Blair, or the US. They couldn't if they tried...The US is THE world superpower. Period. The US and it's policies fashion world history, whether it's good or bad. NO other country on Earth is in the position to do that. Like it or not, us American cowboys will ALWAYS have our noses where they don't belong, whether the world likes it or not. Heck, some of the most liberal Presidents EVER started or assisted in conflicts.

What are the peacenik anti-war wannabes gonna do to stop the US? Start a war? Try it?



The nice thing about being American is that almost always we can be arrogant pricks internationally and get away with it....lol

You are correct, I didn't read the entire webpage. Can you or can you not present some sort of argument for the iraq war being illegal? These Acts and Resolutions do not outlaw war or indicate in any other way that it was illegal.


Can you or can you not demonstrate this? Why was a glass factory camoflauged and why was a weather station washed down with chemicals?

IO am completely unfamiliar with any such statements from either the French, British or German governements. Do you have a link to the refutations?




If I am being dumb, then enlighten me with the sources, I am not saying its immpossible that they exist, I am merely unfamiliar with them.


Blix was the head of the inspection team no? And yet, that team never stated that there were no weapons. If blix thought there were no weapons, his inspectors should've presented that as an official conclusion of their office. He didn't.


Its hardly irrelevant if they did infact start a war 'illegally'. Everyone should be concerned if, say, the UN had as a stipulation of membership an agreement to not engage in any war ever, and then the US broke that agreement. Since there is no such agreement, since war itself is not illegal, and since the US seems to have conformed to the UN's standard of trying other methods prior, there was no illegality. If there had been, then perhaps things would be different, one would have to reconsider being in the UN, for example.

And?....The UN is going to kick us out of it? How will it pay it's bills without U.S. support? The U.S. pays 22% of the UN's regular budget and about 26.69% of the peacekeeping budgets.

Source: www.un.int...

Frankly, the U.N. is bigger and more bloated than even the U.S. Government, and many Americans feel it has no purpose anymore. I'd welcome U.S. withdrawl from the U.N.

Want to blame someone for the U.S. ? Blame Japan. Most of the country was isolationist before Pearl Harbor. Pearl AHrbor ticked us off enough to fight.


Want to blame someone for the U.S. ? Blame the former Soviet Union? Most U.S. activities during the 20th had to do with increasing its position againt the USSR.


Want to blame someone for the U.S. ? Blame Bin Laden. We were all ready to jump into our ressesion, and would have reduced our presence on the world stage, and reduced the military, in order to lower our taxes and pay for our senior citizens. But, he went and attacked us.