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The Mahdi does not negotiate. Neither should we

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posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 08:03 PM
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Lately as I watch her trek around the world and her path of destruction, is there any wonder they call her the hildabeast?




posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 08:06 PM
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Wouldn't it make more sense to merge Islamic sects into a bland Islam-lip service while the Christian denominations are rolled together into a bland Christian lip service?

The fact is that merging the two before they are actually ready to be merged would be disastrous, they would need to be diluted to the point where there is no chance of them being anything but complimentary pieces.

This would take hundreds if not thousands of years, certainly not in our lifetime.


NORMALLY, this sociologist would agree with you rather emphatically.

AS one of my profs said . . . a White-house 'Fellow' . . . such change takes at least 100 years . . . at the very least.

However . . . I don't think she was counting on the very massively effective mass brain washing and mind control techniques more or less perfected the last 60 years.

And, I think you are discounting the UTTER MIND-BOGGLING paradigm shift that UFO's and "ET's" on the nightly news every night will have in terms of

SHREDDING VIRTUALLY EVERYONE'S CONSTRUCTIONS ON REALITY.

In the midst of a just ended nearly extermination level WW3 . . . everyone will be ripe for any shred of hope to latch onto. When the critters MANDATE such a merging of religions . . . at least 80% will likely go along with it--as not only their best hope but their only hope.

They will engage their best rationalizer mechanisms to persuade themselves that it must be right . . . it MUST be OK.


Even if it's 60% . . . throw in the oligarchy's gestapo . . . it won't be a deciding difference. The malcontents can be easily exterminated . . . wellll . . . depending on how much ammo and how good a shots THEY are. LOL.



posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 08:11 PM
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In the final analysis, I do not think it will matter what sect of Islam nor what sect of Christianity is involved.

There really is 10-20% who are most faithful. Those will not likely be assimilated into anything but exterminated.

The rest are malleable.

My PhD dissertation was in the field of extrinsic vs intrinsic held philosophies. Most folks in our era seem to be exceedingly extrinsic. They put on and take off such perspectives in utilitarian ways for various reasons and goals. They are quite maleable . . . kind of like the luke-warm 'Christian' who sings loudly in Church on Sunday to draw more customers and then cheats his neighbor in a car sale on Monday . . .



posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 08:12 PM
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Not handy. One of those puzzle pieces committed to memory long ago.

I think if you will

www.dogpile.com...

"dome of the spirits"+ "Jerusalem Temple location"

"2nd Jewish Temple's true location"

etc. you should be able to find it.

If you do, please post it here. I'd love to put it in my ref file.



posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 08:14 PM
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I've NEVER wondered about such labels . . . see your U2U . . .

Those who've worked around her without being possessed by her . . .

characterize her as the most evil woman if not the most evil person they've ever met.

She's reportedly extremely mean, uses the foulest language and brutally, ruthlessly harsh when there's no need to be.



posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 08:20 PM
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Originally posted by BO XIAN
reply to post by Sachyriel
 



In the final analysis, I do not think it will matter what sect of Islam nor what sect of Christianity is involved.

There really is 10-20% who are most faithful. Those will not likely be assimilated into anything but exterminated.

The rest are malleable.

My PhD dissertation was in the field of extrinsic vs intrinsic held philosophies. Most folks in our era seem to be exceedingly extrinsic. They put on and take off such perspectives in utilitarian ways for various reasons and goals. They are quite maleable . . . kind of like the luke-warm 'Christian' who sings loudly in Church on Sunday to draw more customers and then cheats his neighbor in a car sale on Monday . . .



I do not want to push you too hard for the intangible evidence you probably hold as truth, I am interested in what you have to say. But how you say it is not helping.

Perhaps a bit of a timeline would do, in 2020 do you see the Roman Catholic Church still standing as it is today or will it be merged by then?

Give me some of the timeline you see happening, we will work out the details on it.



posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 08:43 PM
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Fact is, it is not the imaginary globalist that are the problem, It the prophet wielding psychos of all denominations.



posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 09:10 PM
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Originally posted by rom12345
Fact is, it is not the imaginary globalist that are the problem, It the prophet wielding psychos of all denominations.


Humanity suffers from this infliction, its like its been pre-programmed to believe old wives tales and to die for them. If you look at that very infliction its so obvious that the problem lies in the fact parents pass on their legacy and belief system onto their children - the poison and lies continue.

The Planet needs a religious moratorium where all newborns are forbade to have any religious belief systems other than love, nurture, peace and harmony with everything, only then do we stand a chance of making it.



posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 09:22 PM
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Funny thing is,it would seem, the only thing that will give us our 1000 years of peace, is for all these apocalyptic nut jobs to fulfill their 'prophesies', and remove them selves from the equation.



posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 09:50 PM
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Originally posted by rom12345
Fact is, it is not the imaginary globalist that are the problem,


Oh, THESE "imaginary' globalists?

quotes.liberty-tree.ca...



Bill Clinton, Globalism quotes:
The purpose of government is to rein in the rights of the people.

quotes.liberty-tree.ca...

"We can't be so fixated on our desire
to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans..."




John Dewey, Globalism quotes:
Children who know how to think for themselves spoil the harmony of the collective society which is coming where everyone is interdependent.




Paul Harvey, Globalism quotes:
One would think by listening to all the propaganda about the United Nations that they are some sort of benevolent, peaceful organization. Never in the history of the United Nations has it stood for anything but killing and violence. They have never kept peace anywhere on this globe. Their sole function is to replace the U.S. military - dissolve all four branches of our armed forces. Their allegiance is only to the United Nations Charter which does not recognize the U.S. Constitution. This body is made up almost exclusively of communists and leaders of the bloodiest regimes on this globe. Their history and operating agenda is apparent to anyone who takes the time to sincerely and with an open mind, research the facts of this organization, separating truth from myth. Bilderberger participants ( another group committed to one-world domination) in 1992 called for 'conditioning the public to accept the idea of a U.N. army that could, by force, impose its will on the internal affairs of any nation.'




Henry Kissinger, Globalism quotes:
Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful. This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government.


Virtually all the famous politicos and industrialists are Marxist/socialist/satanistic globalists.

Pretending they don't exist serves their tyrannical totalitarian goals quite well.

Check out also the quotes (available at the above link) by such

"imaginary" people as:


--George McGovern
--Arthur S Miller
--Barak Obama
--Sarah Gertrude Millin
--George Orwell
--General Colin Powell
--Carroll Quigley
--Franklin D Roosevelt

And

quotes.liberty-tree.ca...!ReadForm&Count=50&Start=51&RestrictToCategory=globalism

--James A Traficant Jr
--H.G Wells

More "imaginary" people globalism quotes here:

twoday.net...



1. "If we do not follow the dictates of our inner moral compass and stand up for human life, then his lawlessness will threaten the peace and democracy of the emerging new world order we now see, this long dreamed-of vision we've all worked toward for so long." President George Bush (January 1991)

2. "The world can therefore seize the opportunity [Persian Gulf crisis] to fulfill the long-held promise of a New World Order where diverse nations are drawn together in common cause to achieve the universal aspirations of mankind."

George Herbert Walker Bush




4. "In the next century, nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority. National sovereignty wasn't such a great idea after all." Strobe Talbot, President Clinton's Deputy Secretary of State, as quoted in Time, July 20th, l992.




9."The high office of the President has been used to foment a plot to destroy the American's freedom and before I leave office, I must inform the citizen of this plight." President John Fitzgerald Kennedy - In a speech made to Columbia University on Nov. 12, 1963, ten days before his assassination .


more quoted "imaginary" persons at the above link:

--John D Rockefeller
--David Rockefeler
--Congressman Larry P McDonald
--George Washington
--Brock Adams, Dir UN Health Org
--Arthur Schlesinger Jr
--Kofi Annan
--Henry Kissinger
--David Spangler
--James Warburg
--Benjamin Disraeli, first Prime Minister of England
--Congressman Oscar Callaway 1917
--Myron Fagan
--John Randolph Price
--ALICE BAILEY
--Carl H Claudy
--Woodrow Wilson
--John F Hylan
--Prof Arnold Toynbee 1931
--Major General J.F.C. Fuller 1941
--Curtis Dall, FDR's son-in-law in his book My Exploited Father-in-Law
--FDR to Col House 1933
--Justice Felix Frankfurter, 1952
--Senator William Jenner 1954
--Senator William Fulbright
--Senator Barry Goldwater
--William J B Clinton
--Congressman John Rarick 1971;
--Richard Gardner
--Nicholas Murray Butler 1915
--MC Alexander 1919
--Dr Augustus O Thomas 1931
--Richard Salant, Pres of CBS News about giving people not what they want but what "they ought to have."
--Norman Thomas 1944
--Ralph W Page 1944
--Nelson Rockefeller 1962
--Richard Nixon 1967
--Richard Falk
--Hubert H Humphrey 1977
--Mikhail Gorbachev 1988
--Brent Scowcroft 1990
--Richard Gephardt 1990
--Nelson Mandela
--Pres Hosni Mubarak of Egypt 1995
--Benjamin Disraeli 1856
--Walter Bernays 1928 on Propaganda
--Carrol J quigley again--Bill Clinton's mentor
--Christian G Rakovsky Bolshevik founder . . .
--Manley P Hall on The Secret Destiny of America
--Taylor Caldwell 1974
--Aleister Crowley
--Ezra Taft Benson Ike's Admin
--William E Dodd 1937 Amb to Germany
--Robert McNamara



"The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer." Henry Kissinger






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posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 10:26 PM
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Ok,fair enough. There are 'diabolical' schemers at work, I do however believe that those that follow prophets are, and always have been part of the deception. if we are to counter the puppet masters, don't buy into the other False beliefs that this is destined by divine decree to play out as written by the same puppet masters in their 'holy' books.



posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 10:43 PM
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Originally posted by rom12345
reply to post by BO XIAN
 


don't buy into the other False beliefs that this is destined by divine decree to play out as written by the same puppet masters in their 'holy' books.





Sooooo . . . we have a 2,000 combination of 66 books . . . a number of which comprise prohesies about the END TIMES . . .

Then in 1948 against all odds . . . Israel springs as predicted back on the world stage in its homeland--as predicted and never happened before or sense--using Hebrew as an almost resurrected language of a very dispersed people--unprecedented.

And, THEN . . . over still within the predicted GENERATION FROM THAT POINT--

the PREDICTED world government is almost overtly on the world stage . . .

The Mahdi is a plausible AntiChrist exceedingly similar to the Biblical Anti-Christ

The whole world is gathering around and against Jerusalem as predicted

etc. etc. etc.

And you are calling all that

?CHANCE?

Amazing.



posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 02:34 AM
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Is it just me OR does Cameron's "Toruk Makto" sound more or less like "Marduk" or "Mahdi"?

Toruk Makto
Marduk
Mahdi



posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 05:39 AM
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Seems like superstitious people following a script.
I am not an atheist, but I refuse to believe that a supreme being would stoop to apocalyptic blackmail.
You guys place your beliefs in these men, who say.
"Believe in me, or go to hell", Sorry that is blasphemy in my book, and a very powerfull manipulation.
If you are 'forced', out of fear, to believe the premiss, you are also programmed to execute this ridiculous plan.



posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 05:41 AM
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Originally posted by BO XIAN
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Well put.

I don't know that the globalist oligarchy cares GREATLY which group they start with in their

GENOCIDAL MADNESS to force the world's population down to 200 million.

The Bible asserts that 1/3 will be killed in an initial mass killing . . . and later . . . another 1/3 of what's left.




i figured the decimation numbers

7 billion less 1/3 = 4.7 Billion remaining
4.7 billion less 1/3 = 3.13 Billion survivors of the Beast & the great tribulation

so more than half the global population (3.9 billion) perishes because of the wars/genocides/cleansing/natural disasters...but the time span is unclear -> either 29 year war, or 7 year tribulation, or 3.5 year great tribulation


wow, even albert pike did not hint at the bloodshed involved in his WWIII roadmap
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posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 05:51 AM
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Some Twelvers, including the current president of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and the Iranian Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khameinei, believe that they are to prepare the way for the return of the Mahdi. In order to do so, they are to bring on the state of chaos and destruction, which will precede the Madhi's return. The worse things get; the faster they win.


If this is true, and with some of the crazy people in this world I dont doubt it, then these people are absolutely insane and need locking up, or even executing for the good of all humanity. This is utter madness. Bringing about the destruction of the world in order for their god to send someone to save us from it?

Heres a novel idea, instead of causing all this trouble, why not do the opposite so there is no need? I am pretty sure that their god would be more impressed with that than them destroying large parts of the planet and exterminating all forms of life, not just human.

This is precisely why religion is the biggest evil ever inflicted on humanity. When religion and superstition have been eradicated, and people live according to logic and reason, then maybe we will live in a better world.



posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 06:37 AM
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If Ahmadinejad is insane for believing in his religion, then by the same logic every Christian is insane in believing theirs also.

The argument they believe their religion so are crazy evil people, and I believe mine so I am logical and right is bogus at best, and downright hypocritical.

Of course Islam does not believe Jesus was the son of god, if they did they would be Christians for goodness sake, use some bloody logic. The do actually believe he was a prophet, a genuine prophet at that. The Jews however don't even accept that he was a profit, let alone Christ, they even nailed him to a cross for his blasphemy.

For all you religious freeks of whatever religion or denomination, how about trying to live within the tenements of that religion, especially you so called Christians who all advocate war with everyone, if Christ was real, he would be weeping now at what you all say in his name, if Jesus was real, remember he advocated peace at all times, to turn the other cheek, he was a socialist, the meek shall inherit the earth and all that, and yet here are so many Christians advocating war and hate, biggest bunch of hypocrites on the planet.

Religion should be banned, the bloody communists were right about that



posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 10:36 AM
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I do not believe, per se, that Islam as it is will be the one world religion UNLESS the satanic globalists are in concert with Islam toward making it so--only to have Islam snookered at the last by morphing it into direct worship of satan.


It won't be Islam. The Pope convened all the worlds religious leaders together in the summer of MJ's death with representatives from every major religion and cult at the Vatican. There were Ultra-orthodox jews, Muslim Imam, Bahai, Roman Catholics, Mormon, Hindu, Buddhist, Zoroastrian (re-emerging long dead babylonian religion), New Age, Chrislam and even some Protestant representatives (Billy Graham). All there to create the one world religion (ecumenical religion) which the doctrine of is "all roads lead to heaven" and removes Jesus Christ from the equation as the author of salvation. This religion called "Universalism" focus is on each individual person as being their own redeemer and the only requirement for salvation is to have "love". If you have "love" then you will go to heaven
. Yahweh and his Son Jesus have been totally removed from the picture.

The change is gradual and subtle because protestant christians churches will flat out reject major changes to the faith so they are using subtle changes over a long period of time to work us around to this malarky called Universalism. Universalist leaders are part of the W.C.C. and include Billy Graham, Robert Schuller, Oral Roberts and other televangelist pundits like the palestinian Benny Hinn. Paganism is worming it's way into real christianity.

If you want to know a little more about the U.N. agenda that is a part of this universalist movement click HERE and HERE and last but not least HERE. Pretty disturbing stuff. Islam is just a stepping stone for these people. Their true agenda which is to have Jesus Christ and his people the christians eradicated from the face of the earth because we will be the only ones left who will know the truth and the identity of God and then Jesus will be replaced by the Anti-christ's counter part the Son of Perdition (possibly Petrus Romanus or Peter the Roman).

If you want to see who created Islam click HERE and also click HERE. Some surpriseing stuff gets revealed that most people do not even think about. Subtle changes right in your face but that is so hidden you will never notice it. These people are hiding the truth in plain sight and people can't even see it! This is how clever Satan is. Roaring lion? Not this time. This time the destroyer has chosen to be "wise as serpents".



posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 10:55 AM
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you so called Christians who all advocate war with everyone


Really? We advocate war? Get a clue, if a so called "christian" who is really an anti-christian in disguise advocates war then he is not one of us. We do not murder. We are not forbidden to defend ourselves if need be but we will not murder because of the 6th commandment "you shall not murder". In fact i do not even vote for "christian" policiticians in political elections for the very reason that Jesus never authorized us to persue wordly power and worldly wealth, we're supposed to be giving up this world for his world and not swimming in your wickedness.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
Then Yeshua said to him, “Return the sword to its place, for all of those who take up swords will die by swords.

Genesis 9:6 "Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed; for in the image of God has God made man.

By their actions shall you know them.



posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 03:14 PM
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Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
Paganism is worming it's way into real christianity.


And a good thing too since Christianity stole most of its ideas and "celebrations" (Easter, Christmas etc) from Paganism.



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