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A Chronological History Of Americas Lies And False Flags Designed To Ignite The Flames Of War

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posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 04:25 PM
reply to post by blocula

Continued from above.

President Roosevelt forced the Japanese to attack and expand outwards into the South Pacific and ultimately into Pearl Harbor during 1941-42,because he was knowingly killing their ability to survive as a nation by cutting off their countries access to imports of natural resources during a time when Japan was importing ninety percent of its oil...

Why were these actions taken? Hmmmm? Could it be because of the actions that Japan was taking in places like China, and Korea...or Manchuria? Does the *warning graphic photos* Nanking Massecre ring a bell? These actions, and others, were the reason the trade embargo was put in place. Isolationist tendencies in America during this time were profoundly powerful, as visions of gassed doughboys were still fresh in the minds and hearts of Americans. Forced? Sorry to break this to you, but Japan was an expansionist, and militaristic power bent on domination of Asia. Did they want a war with America? Some in power did indeed want just that...and the embargo, and other perceived slights gave them just the excuse they needed to begin to pursue that course of action.

The Gulf of Tonkin incident in 1964,that more or less started the Vietnam War was a lie during which President Johnson ordered U.S. bombers to "retaliate" for a North Vietnamese torpedo attack that never happened...

The U.S. was involved in Vietnam before France even left after Dien Bien Phu fell. My father was in Vietnam as an advisor in '59, and '60. Others were there even earlier. What the Gulf of Tonkin was is debateable...that it heralded an increase in U.S. involvement is undeniable. Huh, we agree nice.

The Twin Towers and Pentagon were allowed to be purposefully smashed in 2001 to gain public support and massive financial aide to get the governments war machine amped up and ready for its big push into the Middle East...

From everything I've gleaned in the past ten years of looking at this event...and horrific reading it makes, too. The U.S. intelligence apparatus, both civilian and military, knew something was coming...but not where, or when. They had, as was the case with Pearl Harbor, too many trees blocking their view of the forest. All too many of you suffer from 20/20 hindsight.

Sadam Hussein was ultimately killed by the United States in 2006 for having the very weapons that the United States sold to him...

An ally who turned around and bit us in the ass... shocking... Not for having them, for using them against his own people, and the Iranians, too. Not to mention his very real danger to the worlds oil supply, yes I said oil... Of course that was a factor. Only an idiot would say otherwise...

Its utterly sickening and yet it goes on and on and on...

The events, while dire, were, in reality the culmination of human stupidity and arrogance. From both sides. Stop using myopic one sided generalizations that do not aid in understanding, but serve only to confuse, and obfuscate.

posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 04:27 PM
The usa really didnt care much about what japan was doing in china and manchuria in the late 1930's,just like the united states did more or less nothing after hitlers nazis invaded czechoslovakia, austria, poland, france, russia ect,ect.It was only after hitler declared war on the usa in late 1941,thats when the usa started to do anything concrete against the nazis...

Top 5 causes of the American Civil War...Number -1...Economic and social differences between the North and the South >
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posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 04:35 PM
The Gulf of Tonkin Resolution,declared right after the tonkin incident of august 2,1964 of which President Johnson ordered U.S. bombers to "retaliate" for a North Vietnamese torpedo attack that never happened,was approved by Congress on August 7,1964 and authorized President Lyndon Johnson to "take all necessary measures to repel any armed attack against forces of the United States and to prevent further aggression"

So full fledged american support and involvement in the Vietnam War didnt occur until only 5 days after the Gulf of Tonkin incident >
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posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 05:25 PM
The sudden explosion of the battleship Maine at Havana,Cuba 1898,killed 255 of its crew...

Right after the Hearst press accused the Spanish,claiming that the explosion was caused by a remote controlled mine detonated by them...

"Remember the maine,To hell with spain! cried the purposefully misled american public...

Then the USA declared war on Spain and conquered the Philippines,Guam and Cuba...

Subsequent investigations revealed that the explosion originated inside the Maine and that it was either an accident,such as a coal explosion,or some type of time bomb inside the battleship...

Either way it was intentionally used as a false flag device to fan the flames of war...

Divers investigating the shipwreck found that the armour plates of the ship were blown bending outwards,not inwards.

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posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 07:01 PM
Gulf of Tonkin. Were the Maddox and Turner Joy really attacked? No. America Fired First.

"When warnings from the Maddox failed to stop the incoming p.t. boats she opened fire."

"Although the Maddox fired first, it was in self defense."

Read that quote, listen to that quote again in the video and try to get your head around that logic!

posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 07:13 PM
I didnt include Americas involvement in WW-1 amongst the list in my opening post because i could fine no real solid proof of any major false flags used by the United States to get involved...

One of the very few times and perhaps the only time?

The United States stayed out of WW-1 for two years after the Lusitania was sunk on May 7th 1915 ...

The United States didnt enter WW-1 until April 6, 1917 when it declared war on Germany...

United States troops didnt engage in combat against the Germans until late October 1917...

WW-1 ended on November 11th 1918...

What really propelled the United States into WW-1 was the Zimmerman telegram intercepted by British intelligence that was sent from Germany to Mexico in January 1917,which stated that Germany would support a Mexican invasion of the United States and would send military support as soon as they defeated the allies on the Western Front...

That created the perception of imminent threat of invasion by an outside force,something the American public had not known since the War of 1812..

The last straw was Germanys policy of unrestricted submarine warfare...

The Zimmerman Telegram >

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posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 07:15 PM
america learned it's lesson.

why bother with false flags when the american people are so stupid and blind that they can just run for president on the platform of nuking the world and get elected to chorus of applause.

posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 08:21 PM

Originally posted by pierregustavetoutant
reply to post by blocula

FDR definitely provoked the Japanese to attack. Bear in mind, though, they were following a militant expansionist policy at the time. FDR knew that the American public would not support a war unless attacked first.

Agreed. FDR was putting real military pressure (not economic pressure) on Japan when he sent the Flying Tigers to assist Chiang Kai-sheck months before Pearl Harbor happened. It's pretty clear attempt to put American units in danger in the Pacific theatre of war. I believe that FDR probably intended for the Flying Tigers to be the "spark" that could get America into the Pacific war. Why else would FDR send these mercenaries into China in the summer of 1941?

In an effort to aid the Nationalist government of China and to put pressure on Japan, President Franklin Roosevelt in April 1941 authorized the creation of a clandestine "Special Air Unit" consisting of three combat groups equipped with American aircraft and staffed by aviators and technicians to be recruited from the U.S. Army, Navy and Marine Corps for service in China. The program was fleshed out in the winter of 1940–1941 by Claire Lee Chennault, then an air advisor to the Chinese Nationalist leader Chiang Kai-shek.

The Flying Tigers were highly paid private military contractors? Yes.

The group consisted of three fighter squadrons with about 20 aircraft each. It trained in Burma before the American entry into World War II with the mission of defending China against Japanese forces. Arguably, the group was a private military contractor, and for that reason the volunteers have sometimes been called mercenaries. The members of the group had lucrative contracts with salaries ranging from $250 a month for a mechanic to $750 for a squadron commander, roughly three times what they had been making in the U.S. forces.

Summer 1941. American mercenaries in Nationalist China provoking war with Japan.

1st American Volunteer Group

P40 Warhawk painted with Flying Tigers shark face at the National Museum of the United States Air Force
Of the pilots, 60 came from the Navy and Marine Corps and 40 from the Army Air Corps. (One army pilot was refused a passport because he had earlier flown as a mercenary in Spain, so only 99 actually sailed for Asia. Ten more army flight instructors were hired as check pilots for Chinese cadets, and several of these would ultimately join the AVG’s combat squadrons.) The volunteers were discharged from the armed services, to be employed for "training and instruction" by a private military contractor, the Central Aircraft Manufacturing Company (CAMCO), which paid them $600 a month for pilot officer, $675 a month for flight leader, $750 for squadron leader (no pilot was recruited at this level), and about $250 for a skilled ground crewman, far more than they had been earning.[2] ($675 translates $10,068 in 2012 dollars, and at the time sufficed to buy a new Ford automobile.[3]) The pilots were also orally promised a bounty of $500 for each enemy aircraft shot down.

The US GOV had sent mercenaries to China, with China and Japan already at war, in the Summer of '41, before Pearl Harbor. What better way to re-write history than to make a big war picture with Hollywood stars like John Wayne...

Claire Chenault was an American mercenary.

Poor health and disputes with superiors led Chennault to resign from the service on 30 April 1937. He then went to China and joined a small group of American civilians training Chinese airmen. When the Sino-Japanese War (1937–1945) broke out in July, he served as "air adviser" to Kuomintang (KMT) Nationalist Government leader Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek, working through the generalissimo's wife, Soong May-ling. Chennault participated in planning operations, observed the Chinese Air Force in combat from a Curtiss Hawk 75, and helped organize the so-called "International Squadron" of foreign mercenary aviators.

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posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 08:24 PM

Originally posted by randomname
america learned it's lesson.

why bother with false flags when the american people are so stupid and blind that they can just run for president on the platform of nuking the world and get elected to chorus of applause.
A lot of american people are not as stupid as tptb would like to think they are,but ever since the vietnam war and all the peaceful and violent protests,cultural movements and demonstrations that it caused,tptb have become even more devious and sinister with their approaches to maintaining their agendas of aquiring public support and financial aide for false flag wars...

But no matter what happens in the world,there always seems to be a steady stream of purposefully demonized enemies lurking in the shadows and hiding around every corner waiting for the chance to come over here and get us,but they never really do,but just in case,we surrender our freedoms a little more every day...
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posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 08:28 PM
You have proof for any of these claims?

And just to let you know, even if you didn't, I would've believed it until I got to the 9/11 mention and then I thought "well if this section could be downright hilarious and laughable then maybe the previous two 'false flag' things are too?"

posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 08:35 PM
Terrorism has no universally agreed,legally binding,criminal law definition and studies have found over one hundred definitions of the word Terrorism...

Terrorism >
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posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 09:30 PM
reply to post by SayonaraJupiter
The Japanese invasion of Manchuria began on September 19,1931 and the United States did more or less nothing..

Japan invaded China on July 7,1937 and the United States did more or less nothing...

Japan did not attack into the South Pacific to obtain natural resources until President Roosevelt forced the Japanese to expand outwards into that area and ultimately into Pearl Harbor to secure a protective barrier during 1941-42...

Roosevelt was knowingly killing their ability to survive as a nation by cutting off their countries access to imports of natural resources during a time when Japan was importing ninety percent of its oil...

The Pearl Harbor Deception >

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posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 09:54 PM
reply to post by blocula

WW1 is interesting to look for false flags. I'm not sure there was one "spark" that did it.

But here is a list of the merchant ships that were sunk. Maybe there are some details in there.

"U.S. Merchant Ships, Sailing Vessels, and Fishing Craft Lost from all Causes during World War I"
April 1, 1917: Steamship Aztec, gross 3,727 tons; torpedoed and sunk by an enemy submarine (UC type), off Ushant Light, Quessant Island, northwest coast of France; 28 killed.

And then Wilson made his speech on April 2, 1917.

posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 10:08 PM
April 1, 1917, There was a US Navy man killed aboard the AZTEC, an "armed" vessel. I wonder if this was the pretext Wilson needed and was waiting for?

American steamer AZTEC, torpedeod and sunk by U-46 , approx 25 miles off Ouessant Lighthouse, Ushant. Vessel was on passage from New York to Le Havre with a cargo of timber, copper , steel , chemicals and machinery. The vessel was armed. Twenty eight members of the crew were killed including one USN personnel.

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posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 10:57 PM
Every country on earth,at some point in their history,has shed the blood of innocent people and no country or people should ever lay blame or guilt upon another without first looking into the mirrors of denial and facing their own reflections...

When the allies charged,sentenced and executed leading nazis at nuremberg,the allies were actually executing their inner selves,killing and burying their own denials,their refusals to admit that they had done more or less the same twisted and evil things during their holocausts of the native indians of the americas...

In 1500,there were roughly 20 million American Indians.In 1900,there were about 240,000...

David Stanner and many others estimate the total Indian dead in the Americas to be roughly 100 million.It’s difficult to imagine how a genocide could be more complete...

In terms of percentages,the American genocide killed more than 98% of Indians,rendering this holocaust more efficiently lethal than any disease known to mankind...

Indian cultures were erased,libraries of oral tradition functionally burned and the many of the survivors were effectively buried in mass graves under bibles...

The United States most monsterous lie and its most horrible false flag war of all,the genocide of the Native American Indians...

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posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 11:14 PM
For the record, while in the strictest sense of the term, Claire Chenault may have been a "mercenary", he was doing what he felt was morally right. He was not getting any major monetary compensation for his actions. He was defending people who were being massacred.
As a fellow Louisianian, I may be biased in my view of General Chenault, but I do know a thing or 2 about him. His kinfolk, who are part Asian because of his Chinese wife, are still celebrated as heroes in these parts.

posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 11:15 PM
After reading a whole page i cant stand it...
Some of the most hienous false flags (in this list i also include some very traumatic incidents perpetrated for goverment convenience....
The Assassination of presidents....
Lincoln both were fooling with the money presses and that was a no also shocked the people profoundly.
The of course we have the slaughter of MLK,and other black leaders....
Then there is Oklahoma City....Where this administrative generation cut its teeth on social engineering through trauma bonding and ptsd et al....
The loss of a blackhawk helicopter over Killeen texas with an entire US army demolitions team, and the crew
an hour after the OK bomb went off destroyed the traces of the goverments hands on that one....
Further assassinations by brain washed killers programmed by the CIA or its controllers, are to be expected.....
as the anti gun mind control unfolds....
The problem with the ordinary guy is he would never think of such horrendous things to get what he this end these perpetrators are actually by definition become psychotics....
They are mad dogs

posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 07:34 AM
John Adams 1735-1826..."The people have a divine right to that most dreaded and envied kind of knowledge.I mean,of the characters and conduct of their rulers.Rulers are no more than attorneys,agents and trustees for the people and if the cause,the interest and trust,is insidiously betrayed,or wantonly trifled away,the people have a right to revoke the authority that they themselves have deputed"

"The United States,a memorable epoch in the annals of the human race,destined in future history to form the brightest or the blackest page,according to the use or the abuse of those political institutions by which they shall,in time to come,be shaped by the human mind"

Thomas Jefferson 1743-1826..."If a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization,it expects what never was and never will be"

"When governments fear the people,there is liberty.When the people fear the government,there is tyranny.The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is,as a last resort,to protect themselves against tyranny in government"

Dwight Eisenhower 1890-1969..."In the councils of government,we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence,whether sought or unsought,by the militaryindustrial complex.The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes.We should take nothing for granted"

John Adams 2nd President and Thomas Jefferson 3rd President,both died in the same year on the same day, within a few hours of each other july 4th,1826...
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posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 02:15 AM
Hi Blocula. As I was looking at the WW1 scenario I made a little chronology that helped me to understand how this happened.

Let's assume we already know some things. That on Jan 1. 1917 that the European War had been going on for about 2 1/2 years. President Wilson had just been re-elected to his 2nd and last term in 1916. Germany has given clear warning that submarine warfare will be unrestricted on January 31, 1917.

Next couple of months we see the Zimmerman Telegram which Britain revealed to USA on February 19. At the same time a few more Americans getting killed by *alleged* German U-boat attacks.

During the last 3 months Wilson's cabinet had grown increasingly worried with the escalation in American deaths and the threat to commerce. Because it was a well known fact that America was having commerce with both sides.

Then April 1st, the AZTEC gets hit. The main fact we must know gather about the AZTEC is that it represents the first American serviceman KIA WW1. Even though, the declaration of war, was still a few days away.

Wilson gives his speech on the 2nd and four days later the USofA is at war.

By a torpedo? The newspapers say it was torpedoed. It was immediately reported in all the news papers as a torpedo. However, Ambassador Sharp in France interviewed the survivors and he cabled a telegram shortly after the event took place. Sharp says there was no torpedo or submarine seen in the area.

He says it once and then he says it again.

"No submarine or torpedo was seen."

"All efforts were made to discover any presence of a submarine, nothing was seen."

Now doesn't that seem oddly familiar? Oh, yes! Gulf of Tonkin

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posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 03:35 AM
Well considering how history seems to have subscribed the sinking of Aztec to U-Boat 46 under skippered by Hilebrand and that it wasn't used by Wilson due to the time lag of reporting it, I am not quite sure why one consider it be a false flag.

My source, foot note 64

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