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posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 07:47 PM
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It is not the only thing that is causing our health problems for there are many but we need to try and taper some of these things to a small allowance instead of trying to protect a dangerous business.
Here is another link to share to the point and all inclusive.
www.rumormillnews.com...




posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 10:47 PM
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Allow me to explain, to YOU, why that link is having NOTHING to do with so-called "chemtrails".

That one company, in North Dakota, has as its fleet these airplanes:

Their Aircraft

It s possible that you know NOTHING about airplanes.....so that list ^ ^ ^ above may mean NOTHING to you.

However, to those of us (like myself) who are VERY familiar with aviation, and airplanes? Those airplane types speak VOLUMES.

One has to understand many aspects of aviation, and especially the capabilities of various airplane types, in order to grasp this.

Oh and......"cloud seeding" has NOTHING....and I mean NOTHING at all to do with contrails.

And...."chemtrails" are a complete hoax and myth.....Period. Full stop. End of story.



posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 11:53 PM
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reply to post by dw31243
 


OP: good thread and thx for the personal insights. Sorry some of your posts were deep-sixed and I got here too late to read those. Also really enjoyed the Evelyn Rothschild video from another poster talking about weathercentral. Creepy.

There are still some influential people left in this little old world who object to being sprayed and experimented on just like a lot of us here. I first noticed chemtrails in 2004 and have never looked back.

Initially, it's tough to wrestle with the fact that our government would do us dirt but there's a history of this behavior so we really shouldn't be surprised. These are the times to recognize the sovereignty of the people and to practice the habits of liberty in bringing this renegade terrorist element in our society to ground.



posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 06:38 AM
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Time will tell, I suppose. Anyhow, I appreciate you keeping the discussion going in a civilized manner even though I strongly disagree with you. Such a focused attitude is not easy to keep up specially with the number of threads you devote your time to refuting. You are very dilligent in what you do. I'm impressed.



posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 05:53 PM
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Originally posted by lostjohnny


Planes doing U-turns over my house - not your usual commercial flight manoeuvre. Then there's the sticky black stuff that we have to scrape off our roof windows. Then there's the cirrus type clouds appearing at stratus level. These are usually preceded by small planes flying at 8000 to 12000 ft and sometimes at night.

After a load of local interest, our TV station and papers did stories on how the military are using our low level airspace to practice for the Olympics where they are obviously expecting another 9/11. We have lots of hills, fields and woodlands here, unlike the flat city of London.

We all know global warming is an issue. I hope these pilots believe they are helping to save the planet. It's costing somebody a shed load of money to put all these planes up there all day long, month after month, but never on regular paths. They are noticably random from ground level and that goes for their altitude.also.



Sorry, but your post just proves complete ignorance of aviation over where you live and the UK in general. Try joining an aviation enthusiast forum in the UK and learn something.

www.aeroresource.co.uk...

Join either Fighter Control or Civilian Aviation. The enthusiast on there monitor and track the movements. What you are seeing is routine military movements within the UK.

Another forum in the UK is

www.airshows.co.uk...

It is the ignorance of aviation out there that make people react the way they do. Take for example the recent NATO E-3 AWACS utilising a designated training area over the UK. The conspiracy people went mad over it and the aviation enthusiasts were laughing at them as they monitored it and tracked it via radio communications. It is only the ignorance of aviation that turns it into an issue.




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posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 08:52 PM
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reply to post by Sirconspire
 


You could cure that problem of yours by being more interested in facts than rumour..



posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 08:57 PM
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Tell you what if you prove that chemtrails exist and what is in them, and who is doing it you wouldn't have the members you mentioned posting in this forum. Although you might as well get used to us posting in this forum because guess what nobody has stepped up to the plate and provide that evidence.


Are you wanting to take a stab at proving their existence, because if there is so much overwhelming evidence why can no chemtrailer provide it?


It is just that simple prove they exist, that's all you have to do. So good luck...



posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 09:00 PM
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Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
reply to post by Sirconspire
 


You could cure that problem of yours by being more interested in facts than rumour..


Facts are misconstrued and force fed.



posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 09:01 PM
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And rumour isn't??


At least with facts you have something you can check.....

so which facts do you think are being "misconstrued and force fed"?

that contrails form due to atmospheric conditions? That they can hang around as long as atmospheric conditions let them hang around for? That all the tests for various substances that have ever been done to "prove" chemtrails exist (AFAIK) have actually shown normal levels of everything??

Any of those??

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posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 09:06 PM
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Originally posted by tsurfer2000h
reply to post by Sirconspire
 


Tell you what if you prove that chemtrails exist and what is in them, and who is doing it you wouldn't have the members you mentioned posting in this forum. Although you might as well get used to us posting in this forum because guess what nobody has stepped up to the plate and provide that evidence.


Are you wanting to take a stab at proving their existence, because if there is so much overwhelming evidence why can no chemtrailer provide it?


It is just that simple prove they exist, that's all you have to do. So good luck...


That burden of proof lies on you. I haven't mentioned belief. You assumed that. You guys are so crass with your statements demanding proof. Look, if I had a dying need to believe as tantamount as yours is to "educate" people, I would take your advice and do the research as long as you provide me the funds, the aircraft... I'll pick some non-objective scientists and lab technicians to handle the results. Fair?
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posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 09:20 PM
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Originally posted by Sirconspire
[That burden of proof lies on you.


Why?

It is chemtrail beleivers that claim that something exists - and when other people look at the evidence the natural question is "how is this any different from contrails?"


I haven't mentioned belief. You assumed that.


Sure you did -


When bird, aloysius, unicis, chadwickus, tsurfer and phage come out to play, it sends chills down my spine for fear that this chemtrail phenomenon may be real.
- www.abovetopsecret.com...

fear is belief.


You guys are so crass with your statements demanding proof.


What is wrong with asking for proof? Heck I don't actually do so - I ask for credible evidence - and have yet to see any.


Look, if I had a dying need to believe as tantamount as yours is to "educate" people, I would take your advice and do the research as long as you provide me the funds, the aircraft... I'll pick some non-objective scientists and lab technicians to handle the results. Fair?


No - anything debunkers do is automatically labeled disinfo by the chemtrail crowd. And if 1 or 100 contrails weer sampled and found to be contrails then they'd just say that we didn't actually sample a chemtrail at all.

also the burden of proof is on those who claim that something does exist - if someone claims that there is a secret conspiracy to spray stuff from jet airliners then it is up to them to provide teh evidence.

Saying others have to prove it isn't true is argument from ignorance.

And your concept that you "fear" chemtrails may exist because some people say there is no credible evidence for them is just ridiculous - things do not exist or not exist because people say they do or do not exist!


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posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 09:29 PM
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That burden of proof lies on you


I think you have that backwards there, since you say they exist then just show the proof of that? How do we need to prove they exist as we know they do not. So now that burden lies with chemtrail believers and not those that use science to back their claims, can you do that?


I am going to go out on a limb here and say the reason you haven't proved their existence is because there is no proof of their existence.



posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 09:35 PM
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Look, if I had a dying need to believe as tantamount as yours is to "educate" people, I would take your advice and do the research as long as you provide me the funds, the aircraft... I'll pick some non-objective scientists and lab technicians to handle the results. Fair?


Sounds like a plan, but as far as debunkers paying for chemtrailers to do research, well


There are enough of you that it shouldn't be hard to get the funds up,so get going and get that evidence.



posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 10:19 PM
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There are enough of you that it shouldn't be hard to get the funds up,so get going and get that evidence.


You know darn well any such attempt in truth discovery is forbidden. By the way, I don't see you fellows posting your doctorate degrees in aeronautical engineering, meteorology, atmospheric sciences etc. to back your claims. That would lend a little credence to your argument. People like you are in no position to bag on other members using YOUR tactics like finding videos on you tube and copy/pasting publications. There is an equal amount of evidence for your arguments as well as the chemtrailer's. At any rate, you still haven't proven that there isn't anything fishy going on no matter what you want to call this aerial phenomenon. The only thing you have proven is your loyalty to whomever is compelling you to do what you do with such tireless fervor.



posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 11:04 PM
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People like you are in no position to bag on other members using YOUR tactics like finding videos on you tube and copy/pasting publications. There is an equal amount of evidence for your arguments as well as the chemtrailer's. At any rate, you still haven't proven that there isn't anything fishy going on no matter what you want to call this aerial phenomenon. The only thing you have proven is your loyalty to whomever is compelling you to do what you do with such tireless fervor.


So you say there is equal amounts of evidence supporting chemtrails then what are you waiting for post it man. So the scientific evidence that is provided isn't good enough for you,then you may want to check out this thread...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

And you may want to read this...

www.epa.gov...

and you may want to take a gander at this...

goodsky.homestead.com...

I am sure that this should suffice,but if you need more that shouldn't be a problem, so now why don't you post up some of that evidence you say is just as much as there are for contrails? That shouldn't be hard now should it?



posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 11:16 PM
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You know darn well any such attempt in truth discovery is forbidden. By the way, I don't see you fellows posting your doctorate degrees in aeronautical engineering, meteorology, atmospheric sciences etc. to back your claims. That would lend a little credence to your argument.


Well let's see here you want someone in the field of meteorology then here you go....

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I don't need to have any degree to post the scientific evidence from those that do have the credentials you mention.

science-edu.larc.nasa.gov...

I never claimed to have any of those credentials, and by the way do you have any of those credentials yourself? So enjoy the reading..



posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 11:24 PM
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Thank you, to everyone, for all the support for fighting back against Chemtrails & the System.

We fight against the Enemies of Liberty of Freedom & the Republic.

I believe that all of us, if we know what is happening in the world today [Chemtrails], we have a responsablity to warn and tell other Americans of what is happening.

Chemtrails are the truth! Don't listen to me; do your own research. You decide.

Charles Pearl
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posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 11:38 PM
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Originally posted by tsurfer2000h
reply to post by Sirconspire
 





You know darn well any such attempt in truth discovery is forbidden. By the way, I don't see you fellows posting your doctorate degrees in aeronautical engineering, meteorology, atmospheric sciences etc. to back your claims. That would lend a little credence to your argument.


Well let's see here you want someone in the field of meteorology then here you go....

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I don't need to have any degree to post the scientific evidence from those that do have the credentials you mention.

science-edu.larc.nasa.gov...

I never claimed to have any of those credentials, and by the way do you have any of those credentials yourself? So enjoy the reading..


S.O.S... You forgot to post a flightaware link in your arsenal of old tired hyperlinks.



posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 11:43 PM
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Links do not get tired - and the information in them is still current - why is it you have a problem with factual information??

I'm genuinely curious as to why people believe hucksters over facts and verifiable science.



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