Are aliens/ETs real or simply in your mind?, page 6

reply to post by The Shrike

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although i may fundamentally disagree with your stance on the ET phenomena
i have to give you credit where it is due.
you certainty stick to your guns, Shrike.
and even made this "believer" question some things about himself.
keep fighting the good fight.

Originally posted by notkmarx
reply to post by The Shrike

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although i may fundamentally disagree with your stance on the ET phenomena
i have to give you credit where it is due.
you certainty stick to your guns, Shrike.
and even made this "believer" question some things about himself.
keep fighting the good fight.

I appreciate your comments. My stance is really that the reality of UFOs can no longer be questioned, especially since I'm an experiencer (notice I didn't use the term "believer"), but we just can't make a call on alleged aliens/ETs. Also, since I'm a natural-born skeptic I don't accept tales which is all that there is regarding aliens. I don't accept alien abductions either. Not being a believer, I rely on evidence which is the only safe ground one can rest on.

reply to post by The Shrike

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WRONG. I'm not going on just a "belief" or the word of another. A matter a fact at one time I'll admit I didn't believe in abduction at all but I did believe in "UFO's" due to all the sightings that were confirmed with radar etc..and I thought that people the reported abduction were completely crazy and or just wanted attention or something.

I was wrong. I myself have had many personal experiences with beings that fit the description of SEVERAL types of "Alien beings". Heck I made fun of them not even knowing it was going on when I was a child. When I started having experiences where I was allowed to maintain consciousness I had to eat some serious crow! You sir or maam or what ever you are! DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT plain and simple. I find your matter a fact statements laughable! It's sad though that you would take such a stance. It proves the brain washing techniques that are used in our educations system work perfectly. I forgive you for being so ignorant though I really do, but please don't make it any harder than it is for us that really do "know"!


Your post has me confused though... Are you saying that ufo exist but the abduction accounts are false? Can you clarify your stance so I'm clear here?

reply to post by The Shrike

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What are you just "fishing" for genuine abductees or what? Out with it? What gives? no answers/comments to those who have had experiences ? Cat got your tongue now or what? jackball!

Originally posted by The Shrike
Thanks for that but aliens/ETs do not exist in my reality.

Are you really one of these "close-minded" conservative thinkers who prefer not to be open minded? Or, is your job to spread disinformations, and don't want to be bothered with facts about evidence of alien implants and crashed UFO debris?

I've never read a report from anyone who met and alien/ET anywhere else.

Oh give me a break will ya??? Are you really sure you never read any alien encounter report?

We have more circumstancial evidence for bigfoot than we have for aliens/ETs and no one has provided any irrefutable evidence for bigfoot!

Watch this footage of what seems to be a live alien and footage what supposed to be bigfoot , Part 2.

Except Part 2, the other footages looks more real... So no, there is NOT more circumstancial evidence for bigfoot than we have for aliens/ETs...

Originally posted by greyer
The only times ET have been seen is not during abductions because when and ET encounters any person they have full control, they abduct them and erase their memory.

It could be possible that many "abductees" don't remember they were abducted, aliens reportedly "paralyze" their victims, but at least some "abductees" obviously reportedly remember it. There is for example Jesse Long Jr. who seems to remember it was Grey aliens abducting him, Betty and Barney Hill claim it was Grey aliens from Zeta Reticuli star system who reportedly showed them their star map, years before Zeta Reticuli was detected by Majorie Fish, Kelly Cahill claim to have been abducted by aliens with dark colored skin and Red eyes, so it seems at least some of the "abductees" reportedly remember how the aliens look like.

Originally posted by The Shrike
Aliens? ETs? What are they? Why does the majority of this forum's members I'm not including the majority of humans but just this forum's members) think that such mental creations are real?

What "mental creations" are you referring to?

What evidence has been presented and by whome that has convinced you that they exist?

Experiences my senses garnered while serving more than a decade in the usaf. My only home station stateside from 1998 to 2009 was in the Nevada desert. The evidence that has been presented to me outside of that is the actions and behaviors of governments worldwide for decades that make absolutely no logical sense whatsoever without other variables that are not exactly public knowledge.

As far as I know, the concept of aliens from outside earth never started with real personal experiences.

As far as you know. As for me, I believe the astronauts with PhDs over your mental creations to the contrary of theirs. Or, at the very least, I am not willing to discredit or dismiss their testimony as easily as you have chosen to have either ignored or not believed.

What evidence has been presented and by whome that has convinced you that they exist?

On Page 5 this thread (reply posted on 8-2-2012 @ 01:51 PM) some one said >>I see so many people.. some former NASA scientists or employees who either been directly related or know people who can confirm there is reverse-engineering and extraterrestrial that saying everyone who quits such job starts talking about aliens to get some more attention and to fill his pansion times.. sounds unsersious.

It's like as if you're claiming that should you quit some similar job, you are immediately told to spread lies and talk about aliens just to disinfo and that every single person does that for the same reason? Where is the common sense?<<

But that person or these people who posted the above on 8-2-2012 01:51 PM know that for example 'Whistleblower' Phil Schneider was found murdered, because Schneider was brave enough to come forward to reveal what he claimed to have experienced "insider knowledge", and she, or he, or they (whatever that 'Imtor' membership consist of, which it seems her, or his or their only purpose apparently is to wasting time here with PRANKS and "Dungeons and Dragons"-kid-game) also know that other "Whistleblowers" have been found murdered as well. Funny thing is that she, or he, or they (whatever that 'Imtor' membership consist of) obviously prefer to keep quiet about these threatened or murdered "Whistleblowers", and apparently instead prefer to be "a great pretender"...

At least the other "Whistleblowers" apparently are "strong enough" to survive.

So i don't take that post on 8-2-2012 01:51 PM seriously. Beside, some time ago, she, or he, or they (whatever that 'Imtor' membership consist of) did ask how to become a payed disinfo agent! I'm not kidding, she, or he, or they (whatever that 'Imtor' membership consist of) REALLY did ask how to become a disinfo agent (geez, i couldn't believe my eyes when i first saw that), and then i suggested her, or him, or them (whatever that 'Imtor' membership consist of) that she, or he or they could just try contact some of the agencies in the United States and seek job as disinfo agent there (also called Covert Agent), when she, or he, or they (whatever that 'Imtor' membership consist of) are ready to seek the job. www.abovetopsecret.com...

As for reverse engineering extraterrestrial technology, people like for example Philip Corso and former S-4 employee Bob Lazar and now "Whistleblower" mention about it, and Bob Lazar also told about captured alien spacecrafts and about aliens from Zeta Reticuli, and Bob Lazar also told that he and even his wife were threatened by Shadow Government agent looking dudes in attempt to keep them silent, so it's just not only 'Whistleblowers' like Cliff Stone and Bob Dean and several many others who claim to have been threatened by Shadow Government agent looking dudes. Also hacker Gary McKinnon who hacked into the very sensitive files in the United States, confirm that the U*n*i* t*e*d States Secret Shadow Government is hiding knowledge of Free Energy and Extraterrestrial technology.

Lunar surface, Neil Armstrong >>God, what is that out there?... What the h... is that???... But this is unbelievable!...<<. Houston control center: >>Whats there?<<

NASA: >>Whats there? Mission Control calling Apollo 11...<<
Apollo11: >>These "Babies" are huge, Sir! Enormous! OH MY GOD! You wouldn't believe it! I'm telling you there are other spacecraft out there, Lined up on the far side of the crater edge! They're on the Moon watching us!<<

A certain professor, who wished to remain anonymous, was engaged in a discussion with Neil Armstrong during a NASA symposium.

Professor: >>What REALLY happened out there with Apollo 11?<<
Armstrong: >>It was incredible, of course we had always known there was a possibility, the fact is, we were warned off! (by the Aliens). There was never any question then of a space station or a moon city.<<
Professor: >>How do you mean "warned off"?<<
Armstrong: >>I can't go into details, except to say that their ships were far superior to ours both in size and technology - Boy, were they big! and menacing! No, there is no question of a space station.<<
Professor: >>But NASA had other missions after Apollo 11?<<
Armstrong: >>Naturally - NASA was committed at that time, and couldn't risk panic on Earth. But it really was a quick scoop and back again.<<

Originally posted by Anunaki10
Lunar surface, Neil Armstrong >>God, what is that out there?... What the h... is that???... But this is unbelievable!...<<.

S*)oviet UFO secrets

Another of our meetings put us across the table from the Ministry of Defense official who is in charge of the current study. By agreement, we are not yet able to make his name public, but we can give the name of the study, "Thread-3." One illuminating section of those papers contains details of UFO sightings by Soviet cosmonauts. Unlike American astronauts' reluctance to talk about the subject, Soviet references to UFOs were reported from the very beginning, with Yuri Gagarin himself. In the documents, Gagarin is quoted as saying UFOs are real, they fly at incredible speeds and that he would tell more about what he had seen in orbit - provided he be given permission to do so. The documents also provide information on American space encounters, including several references to things seen on the Moon by our astronauts, and how that information was removed from NASA's public files.

5. U.S. astronauts did encounter extra-terrestrial craft and there was a significant sighting made on the moon, all of which have again been cynically covered-up.

Former NASA employee Donna Hare confirm that the Apollo astronauts did see other spacecrafts on the Moon while they walked there, and from about 6:15 in this UFO Hunters - NASA files, Part 2 she said that some Shadow Government agent looking dudes came to her and told her that it was not a good idea for her to talk openly about the UFOs, she also told that her phone was tapped and followed by these Shadow Government agent looking dudes.

Alien base on the Moon

LUNA: The Alien base on the far side of the Moon. It was seen and filmed by the Apollo astronauts. A base, a mining operation using very large machines, and the very large alien craft described in sighting reports as mother ships exist there. - Milton Cooper

UFO and reported Extraterrestrial presence on Mars and Moon

We have accumulated massive research indicating our Moon was colonized and explored by races from other planets, most notably in the Orion constellation, and that aliens called ZETANS from Zeta Reticuli are active there today. The Zetans have been analyzed by government psychologists to be, in ways, similar to Nazi scientists... technologically very advanced and materialistic, intellectual geniuses, yet lacking the kind of compassionate emotions and spiritual desires common with most people in our Earth nations.


To N.A.S.A, the Pentagon, the President and his top aids... that finding is a bit too scary to put on our six o’clock television news. If you think people might panic, you must first realize that the military officers who have been running the C.I.A. and other intelligence agencies and a Secretary of Defense already HAVE panicked. If they can do that will all their military power, where do we stand? A chance?

There is also absolute scientific proof that the Zetans have forcibly abducted thousands of Americans, many who were used in bizarre Nazi-like genetic experiments. The locals on the Moon, from Rigel, Betelguese, the Barnard Star, and a planet orbiting Sirius, most known as “grays” but not all (some are blue, Nordic blondes, or orange or even pale white), are the ALLIANCE OF THE HOLY ...their capital planet reportedly TYRANTOR. They have been involved in a star wars empire intergalactic war for at least 50,000 years, during which they invaded on conquered planets in Rigel and enslaved many people, the star wars against the Lyrans and Vegans, and against the Sirians who would not join the ALLIANCE OF SIX.

Some of these star wars were fought on Earth in ancient times when colonies from different planets fought for our planet to try to take control. The Pleideans from planet Erra, humans from a spaceport on Venus, Sethians, Centaurians and beings from the reported 12th planet in our system were involved in these battles on Earth and were mostly driven off the planet (except for remaining secret underground cities and bases all of those civilizations still have on Earth). The Zetans now have a spaceport on the hidden dark side of the Moon, and many underground cities there too. They also have scientific, military, and mining stations on the surface of the Moon. So Americans and Russians can’t just fly up there and plant their flags and say, “hey, this is ours!” (like they are used to doing after invading other countries/continents on Earth).

Government agents have been forced to do everything they can theorize or scam on, to make it look like the Moon is a dead world impossible to inhabit. What they do not tell you is that ZETANS do not need an atmosphere like ours to breath because ZETANS do not have lungs. They do not need to irrigate and grow crops because Zetans have no digestive systems. They do not need to worry about being too hot or cold because they have incredibly thick tough skin... like reptiles only more extreme and much tougher... and are cold-blooded... the sun, heat, and cold on the Moon do not damage their skin.

In fact, they would DIE IN OUR EARTH ATMOSPHERE without a space suit, like they did after emerging from those crashed flying saucers... because our Earth atmosphere is poisonous to Zetans. The atmosphere in one of their planets, orbiting a dying red star sun, is composed of elements like sulfur and carbon monoxide... described by some scientists like the runaway greenhouse effect of out of control pollution Zetans would like on Earth for themselves. They cannot live on the surface of Earth without creating genetic sub-human hybrids in laboratories... part them and part us. So they live in underground cities in the United States, Soviet Union, Moon, Mars and certain asteroids off Jupiter.

Originally posted by The Shrike
But this thread is not about UFOs. It is about the alleged entities called aliens/ETs. And since all we have are claims I don't give them any weight.

Would you give it any weight if a chemist like Vogel who claim to have analyzed the metal sample reportedly given to Billy Meier by his Plejaren friends, were Vogel said the metal sample is apparently produced via "Cold Fusion" ? And would you also give it any weight if like for example employees of Equador's Embassy of Peru claim to be have been visited by Galactic Commander Banyú ?

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