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Should there be a ban on dating?

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posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 12:43 PM
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So, as a woman, do you personally then believe prostitution should be legalized?

You say you know gold diggers (or have known anyhow). Do you think they should have been arrested, or that what they did was fine considering the men also knew they were ultimately paying for sex...


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Full disclosure: I have never been with a pro, nor even a gold digger. My outlook here is purely ideological. I don't like double standards on peoples personal choice, even if I personally don't partake in it.




posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 12:46 PM
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Originally posted by yourboycal2
ha flowers! lol what would they do , put it on the table , or garbage right afterwards? lol . Who gives a man flowers =p . Its totally not in our interest , and if i had a girl give me flowers , i would assume she did not have enough imagination to get me something i would want , and use , or appreciate . But she took the easy way out , which guys usually do and get flowers!


Never heard of the trendy emo movement? Those are "men" looking like girls, liking what girls like...which includes flowers. They are out there.

But then again, i'm a woman and i think flowers are the most stupidest, useless present one can give. Totally unimaginative and what message does send giving someone something that lands in the garbage after 3 days because it decayed?

As for the OP:
As another said: When has banning ever helped? I live in a country with strong censorship, where Media gets constantly banned and it doesn't help to prevent youth from watching this media. Best example of why forbidding something doesn't help

And i don't understand what's bad about dating. I can understand, that there are ugly nerds and fat losers out there, who will never find anyone, never date anyone, never have sex and therefor are completely jealous about us normal people - but just because they're unhappy in their life, doesn't mean that we have to suffer.
And if the OP really thinks, that dating has anything to do with prostitution, he has no idea about feelings and what love is. Poor child



posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 12:48 PM
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While we can assume most men and some women date for this reason, I don't think it would be fair to assume everyone does. So banning dating wouldn't be far to those who seek to find a compatible life companion.

You can then say that there might be a few men who pay prostitutes in order to have companionship from the opposite sex but that is what an escort is for and that is legal. This is why sting operations have to wait until a client elicits sex for money before they can make a bust.



posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 12:49 PM
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Originally posted by SaturnFX
reply to post by caladonea
 


So, as a woman, do you personally then believe prostitution should be legalized?

You say you know gold diggers (or have known anyhow). Do you think they should have been arrested, or that what they did was fine considering the men also knew they were ultimately paying for sex...


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Full disclosure: I have never been with a pro, nor even a gold digger. My outlook here is purely ideological. I don't like double standards on peoples personal choice, even if I personally don't partake in it.



As I understand it is legal in Nevada....maybe people should go there.

I never said that I know gold-diggers...because I don't...I know of them. I personally don't approve of gold-diggers...I think it is morally wrong...but I also understand that some men don't care and they enter an agreement with a woman.



posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 12:52 PM
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Originally posted by FissionSurplus
I have come to terms with my squeamishness about prostitution. Do I want my husband to use one? Of course not, but if he was going to, he would do it regardless of the laws against it. Might as well stop trying to control people's base appetites with the law.

Very sensible outlook. Yes, you may not want your husband to eat 5 cheeseburgers a day as it is unhealthy..but if he wants to, he will do it anyhow behind your back, no need to ban cheeseburgers.
The honor and personal committment of a person should not be contingent on if something is legal or not.



As far as equating dating with prostitution, I disagree. If a man buys an expensive dinner, etc., and the woman isn't that into him, he's not going to get it, no matter how much money he spends. On the other hand, if a woman is really into a guy, he doesn't have to give much more than a smile to get some, so I do not agree with your basic premise.

The basic premise is pretty in line, but there are of course significant differences between the dating and escorting..still, the term gold digger has come up and that is almost exactly the same...and it is part of the dating scope.

But its all just to get people to talk about it anyhow, a creative new presentation towards a old debate.



posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 12:54 PM
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Giving someone flowers is not (thoughtless)...it is a very thoughtful action...and many, many people enjoy getting flowers...they are a part of the beauty of nature.



posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 12:55 PM
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Never heard of the trendy emo movement? Those are "men" looking like girls, liking what girls like...which includes flowers. They are out there.



not men ! , gay men have the brain chemistry that of a straight female
Hence the girlyness of there actions ^^

news.nationalgeographic.com...

emo guy:
1. black hair (streaks of other colour)
2. side fringe
3. eyeliner
4. skinny jeans
5. peircings (ear stretch)
6. love music
7. very emotional
8. writes music or poems
9. member of a band
10. ocassionaly bisexual

lol , clearly not men . But boys in training with female brain characteristics ! I would side these boys more on the female side then the males
Secondly they usually grow out of this girly phase , i don't see to many adult emo's . Naturally when your in a confusion state flowers and suck girly things appeals to you ^^



posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 01:13 PM
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no judgement here...just thought this would be a topic that hasn't been discussed for centuries.
"Tales of the Unmet Expectations" coming to HBO soon



posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 01:14 PM
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Quotes by Saturn FX
"--------Lets be honest.
Quite often, dating leads to intercourse. When you date someone, you pay for gifts, things, food, etc...and in exchange get to have sex with the person.
Not always, but often enough to where it should be looked at.

This is Prostitution...giving money or gifts in exchange for the expectation of sex.----------"

No it's not. Prostitution is the giving of money or gifts for the GUARENTEE of sex. Big difference there. What you're trying to do is bastardize the good time that two consenting adults are having. A real man isn't going to go into a date EXPECTING sex all the time. He's expecting a good time and, this may come as news to you, but you can have a good time with a woman without having sex with her. Date much lately Saturn?

" --------I think that there is a good reason why prostitution is illegal in most states--------- "

And what exactly would that good reason be? It offends your christian sensibilities? Lighten up and get wise while you're at it. The only reason prostitution is illegal is so local municipalities can collect the money that is generated from the fines they impose on the johns and the ladies that get caught. This is a money racket and everybody is going to get theirs, which they will get less of through taxes if it's legalized. Except for the Mustang Ranch of course.

"----------Lets call our local statesman and demand they put an end to this immortality that permeates every aspect of our society! -------------"

We have to wait until they're out of the cathouse first. Your "local statesman" (whatever that is) is probably going to get caught with a prostitute soon like so many others these days. And he's probably going to be the same one who's stance on the immorality of this country helped get him elected by bufoons like you. Are you REALLY buying into this hypocracy? C'mon Saturn, I KNOW you know that.

"-----------Are you with me?------------"

No. Not on this one. All prostitution does is make it easier for men to get sex. Some men don't have a way with women, and this route helps guarentee that everybody gets their "fair share" as it were. When you have sex you're happier and more likeable and, whether you pay for it or not, what's wrong with that? Prostitution has been legal in certain parts of Europe for a very long time, if not forever, and I can tell you from personal experience that people over there don't have nearly the amount of sexual hang-ups that most Americans seem to have. Trust me, the ladies over there REALLY liked Americans at that time, and we didn't have to pay them to like us either. Just regular people without the hang-ups. They understand that it's a natural act and they're just not as uptight about it as people like you are.

Here dude, ligten up.

youtu.be...

Good movie too BTW.



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posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 01:16 PM
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you just described The Male Music Industry



posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 01:25 PM
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Would it be fair to correlate your sentiments about dating by equating toys and children with emotional blackmail, i.e. the parent is purchasing the favor and devotion of their child? Suffice it to say I think you are projecting your disapproval of prostutition into the mix of dating to validate your point.

My own rant here is my disappointment in your outlook if you're a man. Call it my cultural niche (outmoded as it may or may not be), but traditional roles and traditional expectations have been successful much longer than your rant.



posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 02:26 PM
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As far as I'm concerned, a gold digger is a prostitute in every sense of the word, except they are more dishonest, and expect their john to marry them. I have more respect for a "working girl" than a gold digger.



posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 02:39 PM
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The real question here is: Why is it any of your business? The only thing I really request from you is to stay out of my life. You don't get to tell me what to do. You don't get to tell me whether or not I should "date." You don't get to foist your Puritanical beliefs off onto me. You remind me of the worst of fundamentalism.

If you REALLY want to live in a society that does not allow dating, might I suggest Saudi Arabia? Let's examine that.

First of all, a woman is not allowed out.= of the house without a blood relative male escort who will ensure her "safety." In many cases she is compelled to wear a Burkha to hide all of her features from the outside world, so as not to compel men to find her attractive. She cannot drive. She cannot date. Marriages are arranged by the parents, most likely the mothers involved. Before a man marries his mother visits the prospective bride's home to confer with her mother, assess the woman, and decide upon all marriage arrangements. Only after marriage are they allowed to be together.

Fortunately, no woman in the country who enjoys her own freedom to choose will agree with you at all. Your idea has a snowball's chance in hell of working, and that's a very good thing.



posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 02:52 PM
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So, it seems there is a unanimous consensus that prostitution should be legalized then, as there is no actual understanding of why its illegal.

So...why then do we stand for it being illegal (in most places)?

For those of you whom thought I was being serious about banning dating..perhaps critical thinking isn't your thing. meh, there are always cute cat videos to comment on.

But anyhow, ya...why is it the popular thing to keep escorting banned? Why is a fairly twisted and unconstitutional thing allowed to continue being voted no by popular opinion? Has the supreme court weighed in on this yet?

I personally may not approve (nor do I actually disapprove..just another profession) of prostitution, however I very much disapprove of the federal, or even local government telling me that I can or cannot charge to give someone a service they request..be it a massage, a kissing booth, or full blown prostitution. This is a private agreement between two adults. The government on all levels needs to get the eff out.

This country makes no sense.
Land of the free indeed.



posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 02:55 PM
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Originally posted by schuyler
Fortunately, no woman in the country who enjoys her own freedom to choose will agree with you at all. Your idea has a snowball's chance in hell of working, and that's a very good thing.


Yet prostitution remains illegal in most areas.

no woman in the country whom enjoys her own freedom to choose, seems to also not mind others not being able to choose if they find it immoral.
I am addressing (semi-subtly) how some would cry out in anger at the idea that their right to choose how they act between themselves and a mate are also ones whom have no issue in banning others and how they act between themselves and a mate.


Add: the first sentence is not singular...plenty of women do see this as nonsense (prostitution being illegal), but the majority, whenever the vote comes up, votes a resounding no.
I would like to start a (fake) movement in the country trying to get dating banned because it is sometimes like prostitution..if only to get the mindless masses whom vote no on escorting to be legal to consider their arguments.

Sometimes the best way to change someones mind is to make them see the extreme of what they are saying..force them to think outside of their very narrow scope of the world.
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posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 03:24 PM
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Lol what are you like 12?



posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 03:59 PM
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Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by schuyler
Fortunately, no woman in the country who enjoys her own freedom to choose will agree with you at all. Your idea has a snowball's chance in hell of working, and that's a very good thing.


Yet prostitution remains illegal in most areas.


What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? You are equating dating with prostitution. Most people would not do that. You are suggesting that the purpose of dating is sex. Many people would not agree with you. Whether you are attempting to be flippant or subtle or sarcastic really doesn't matter in that your premis is flawed. I believe there is a big difference between people seeking affection from each other, whether or not sex is involved, and paying for a service that lacks any affection or acknowledgement of humanity at all. If that's how you see it, it says a lot more about you than anyone else. If what you REALLY want to do is discuss the illegality of prostitution, have at it, but at least be honest about what you want to talk about instead of leading us on some sort of song and dance that has nothing to do with your subject.

I suspect that were prostitution legal there would be less pain in the world. Organized crime would fade from that scene, as would pimps and the rest of the crime associated with it.



posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 04:59 PM
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So, how's all the "dinner and a movie" been working out for you guys? May I "lol".
Wishful thinking, I do believe. If dinner is all it took for that, you'd really have it made wouldn't you?
But sorry, you know as well as I that it isn't true. Never once in all my years of dating, before and after a marriage, have I ever remotely entertained the idea of "dinner =sex obligation". Never happen. Besides, I can buy my own dinner, thank you so very much.

Now, once upon a time I had dinner with a guy who phoned me the next weekend and asked to fly me to the Bahamas in his own plane, and stay in his own condo for four days. I definitely knew what that meant, so I politely declined. And you know, I don't think he ever called me again after that. Guess he figured if that wouldn't do it, nothing would.

But dinner? Pffft.



posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 05:04 PM
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Originally posted by schuyler

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by schuyler
Fortunately, no woman in the country who enjoys her own freedom to choose will agree with you at all. Your idea has a snowball's chance in hell of working, and that's a very good thing.


Yet prostitution remains illegal in most areas.


What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? You are equating dating with prostitution.

As mentioned in the thread a few times, gold diggers exist.
Explain to me the difference between someone sleeping with someone because they paid them cash verses someone sleeping with someone in exchange for their car payment being paid for.
it is equal.
it is prostitution.
but one is illegal, the other is normal.
Not all dating however is like that, but there is some..much even that is.


Most people would not do that. You are suggesting that the purpose of dating is sex. Many people would not agree with you.

Most people are idiots..who cares what most people think.
Biologically speaking, we come close to the attractive sex for purposes of eventual breeding..be it a romantic dinner and a walk on the beach by humans, or a freaking peacock spreading their tail feathers and bouncing around...its a primal ceremony that has a direct focus on the act of procreation.
paint it however you want, name it fruit looping if you want...it is still the process pretty much every species does. Your inability to see the humans version of the mating ritual does not mean thats not what it is. The goal is clear for even the most casual of dates...see if you want to mate with them. period.


Whether you are attempting to be flippant or subtle or sarcastic really doesn't matter in that your premis is flawed.

The premise is lost on you, your totally not seeing the premise
but let me spell it out to you as clearly as it possibly can.
The premise is, who are you to tell what other people can do in their bedroom?!
it was too subtle for you clearly with the parrallels. Some people need pictures, clear cut understandings...others allow their gray matter to kick in and see the topic for what it is truely about.
Which are you


I believe there is a big difference between people seeking affection from each other, whether or not sex is involved, and paying for a service that lacks any affection or acknowledgement of humanity at all.

People seeking affection can get it from their parents, friends, hell..even pets. No need for courting to get a pat on the head and a hug for reassurance.
As far as lacking affection and humanity..same can be said for someone paying for a massage. Sometimes you are seeking simply a feeling and a result..aka, carnal desires satisfied.
Must everything in life be overly complex?
Sometimes you simply want to mount/be mounted.
but back to the point of this thread...whats it to you what drives -other peoples- desires? Why would you say anything beyond dating for pure love and affection should be made illegal? This is the spirit of the law as it stands now..which applies to certain methods about how its done
so, why not apply it also to gold diggers, one night stands after a few drinks, etc.


If that's how you see it, it says a lot more about you than anyone else. If what you REALLY want to do is discuss the illegality of prostitution, have at it, but at least be honest about what you want to talk about instead of leading us on some sort of song and dance that has nothing to do with your subject.

The discussion needs different understandings for it to resonate with people. The reason why Metaphors and allegory's even exist is because many people simply do not understand how one thing applies until it is broken into different aspects with the same philosophy..
aka, unless it effects them, then their brain doesn't process the philosophical connection of their stands.



I suspect that were prostitution legal there would be less pain in the world. Organized crime would fade from that scene, as would pimps and the rest of the crime associated with it.

And more important, the people of the west would be a little less hypocritical. For now, the majority voting public that continue to demand it remain illegal, yet see no issue with gold diggers are simply hypocrites that don't even know it.



posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 05:07 PM
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Originally posted by BellaSabre
Now, once upon a time I had dinner with a guy who phoned me the next weekend and asked to fly me to the Bahamas in his own plane, and stay in his own condo for four days. I definitely knew what that meant, so I politely declined. And you know, I don't think he ever called me again after that. Guess he figured if that wouldn't do it, nothing would.

Thank you for confirming my point of the similarities.



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