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In Ontario Police Did a Major Crack Down on Child Porn Largest in History, Did Police Step Over line

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posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 08:26 AM
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The Crack Down

The tech used

Now with that kind of technology in the hands of police does it rise a question of privacy issues? since when did the police have that kind of right or power, thus even though only 60 people have been arrested after this and i am thankfully that 22 children were rescued from those creeps, but.


To claim that 8,940 people have and had accessed child pornography web sites is kinda unbelievable
in the video the police guy says they hacked in peoples computers?

Notice here



The map shows 8,940 individual I-P addresses that have been identified as download candidates for suspected child pornography in Ontario


Now does this rise your worries about privacy even though i am supporting the police on this one however since they claim these people aren't belonging in a ring shouldn't they be hunting down people who belong to a ring insisted?

How can they prove 8,940 people had been through CP sites? i hope they aren't suggesting these 8,940 people are all child pornographers, because thats impossible.

So ATS whats your views on this? how is it possible?
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posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 09:01 AM
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If they saved just one kid and broke some privacy laws, I really don't give a crap who feels violated.



posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 09:02 AM
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I agree saving kids from the creeps that made me support the police for the first time, but however i do question the technology used.


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posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 09:29 AM
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The end justifies the means.

Unless you go by the law. This is how gov takes away your rights, and you are all fine with it.

Just gotta spin it the right way.



posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 09:36 AM
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I don't see a problem here. They are hacking kiddie porn sites and tracking the IP's of those that download from them. Excellent idea imo. Note the conviction rate: "Almost 100%" That means that it works not only to identify these creeps but it also works in the courts. If it was nefarious the conviction rate wouldn't be that high.



posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 09:43 AM
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I honestly don't know what the law is regarding this.

But if the cops were to "use hacking" I would assume they would need a warrant, that sounds like a kind of a search to me.

So fine, if it was all legal what they did, no problem. The problem occurs when we allow them to bend the laws and do things that are not legal (like the GPS tracking thing on cars) all in the name of the end justifies the means.

Crooks, we expect to break the law. Cops, I expect to go by the law.



posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 09:59 AM
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Originally posted by intrepid
I don't see a problem here. They are hacking kiddie porn sites and tracking the IP's of those that download from them. Excellent idea imo. Note the conviction rate: "Almost 100%" That means that it works not only to identify these creeps but it also works in the courts. If it was nefarious the conviction rate wouldn't be that high.


I can agree with that, if thats what they did then they did a great job.



posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 10:24 AM
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I don't believe that people into child porn have any privacy,they give up their rights once they download it.

What boggles my mind is the amount of hits in the video,shame,shame,shame



posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 10:49 AM
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These special 'hacker cops' very likely just finding the "porn" on torrents or p2p software, and taking note of the IP addresses uplloading and downloading the same file. Since the cops, media, and politician dinosaurs are completely retarded about the internet, they call these guys "hackers". Some people call me a hacker because I know how to use a computer.



posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 10:52 AM
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What makes you think that that number is impossible?

You HOPE that number is impossible. So much so that you would prefer to believe ANYTHING except that it is.



posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 12:24 PM
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For certain crimes there should be no line... and when they are caught red handed, they should have no legal rights nor should the constitution protect them (meaning no appeals on technicalities...)

execution should be swift and within 30 days of being caught with the hand in the cookie jar...

plain and simple.



posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 12:32 PM
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Originally posted by Aeons
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What makes you think that that number is impossible?

You HOPE that number is impossible. So much so that you would prefer to believe ANYTHING except that it is.


Well for starters that nearly 9000 people still use if they used Torrents for Porn and which makes them pretty stupid and i cant believe there are 9000 perverts and i thought Ontario was safe.



posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 12:48 PM
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Not all the people doing it might be pedophiles.

There is a problem with incessant pron use that may be contributing to some people looking outside their actual interests because they have driven their limbic reward system to the point of being inured to their actual sexual preferences. Some of these people might be in that category.

Got this from another user, and the videos take a scientific view on this phenomena for you.

yourbrainonporn.com...

There are more people who are merely contained by social norms than by what you would hope are inherent tendencies. They don't go after young people because they know that it isn't acceptable, not because they wouldn't in another cultural setting. Sorry, I know that sucks but it is true.


And lots of people are dumb, and uneducated about the internet. Seriously, how do you think that lawyers make their money? They have some clients who just do the same stupid things over and over. Stupid is more common than pedophilia.

Most people are decent. Just because you can find tens of thousands of nasty people, most people are still decent.
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posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 01:01 PM
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Let's see here...

Government hacks pedophile networks and monitors download activity.
Government gets the IP's from downloaders.
Government saves children from the clutches of the vilest scum of the earth.

Government has my full support.

My only concern is that they start using this tactic for other websites that 'they' don't like. I.e. places like ATS and other sites that give us an alternative view. When that happens, they will have gone too far. Naked children isn't freedom of speech, and therefor I could care less how the government nabs those guilty.



posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 01:05 PM
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Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
To claim that 8,940 people have and had accessed child pornography web sites is kinda unbelievable


Why is that so hard to believe? Ever look at a sex offender map?

8,940 is probably just the tip of the iceberg for that effort of discovery.

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posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 01:05 PM
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I think the problem is not why they did it but the how that is in question. If they can do this and get away with it what is next. You can be sure there will be a next. As usual they will first start with something people can't disagree with. Then there is a precedent set and everything will be allowed. When are people going to get wise to their bs.



posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 02:59 PM
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3 words

Secure Your Wifi



posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 03:22 PM
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The population for Ontario in the last census was over 13,000,000. Under 10,000 kiddie pron fans? That's under 1%. Hopefully that's all there are. Doesn't sound unreasonable to me.



posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 03:33 PM
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Don't get me wrong, Child pornography is something very, very sick and wrong...BUT

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have been identified as download candidates for suspected child pornography
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That sentence scares me. What is "candidates for suspected child pornography".

This is why i do not support such laws which are thriving and coming from a HIGHLY emotional subject like child pornography...because when i read such BS like "candidates for suspected child pornography" i have to assume that whatever they did also includes lots of records and addresses of people who don't have anything to do with that.

And every time a subject is highly emotional and controversial, you can bet that SOME people bend and use such laws just to enforce their own OPINION or morale - and this is the danger of it.

While on the subject of "child pornography"..this might still be somewhat clear...but what about laws against "obscenity" or similar where the borders what is "ok" and what not are often only fuzzy and purely in the eye of the beholder.



posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 03:39 PM
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Can't say what Canada is like, but in the US we used to be innocent until proven guilty, in court.

When you say something like for (insert name of unspeakable crime here) should not get a trial, just shoot em or lock em up. The thing that is wrong with that is they might not be guilty.

To be sure they are actually guilty they have the right ( in the USA) of due process.

How do you know if they did what gov says they did without a trial in court?



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