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Originally posted by jimbo999
reply to post by BBalazs
OK - here you go then.... Mr "Deep Green".
"the official dogma of green zealots has been debunked in the first few pages, have they apologized yet, for their womanly hysteria?"
Green Zealots"? You must mean those "Evil" Environmental scientists huh? Trying to save the planet and all that kind of stuff - they should be ashamed of themselves!! What's with this anti-female quip?
"They should apologize, and we should approach the issue of global climate change, and running out of fossils fuels with rational minds, not women induced hysteria."
Hmm..you certainly have a very low opinion of women huh? How 19th Century of you.
"Telling it like it is!
Time to get rid of the watermelon people.
Green on the outside, red on the inside! "
Ahhh... so now they are not only "evil environmentalists', but "evil communists" too!! LOL!!
"It is a about global warming, so you need to learn to READ better. "
And you need to learn the English language better! Most of your posts seem to be at a grade 4 level.
It an article, a viewpoint, by a skeptic, written by himself.
What is there not to trust?
You can argue the points made, but not reading it.
It's an article written by a Big Oil stoolie in a Right-Wing UK rag, based on non-peer reviewed hearsay from government-controlled state media organizations (BBC and the Met) in a country currently ruled by the Ultra-Right Conservatives. So yes, I would be highly dubious, to say the least.
"Please provide a CENSORSHIP LIST FOR ME.
Name calling when people disagree with you is highly immature. As I said, you are obviously a Newbie around here - but I can tell you now, people on ATS with far more knowledge on this subject than you will rip you apart in no time. Really.
By the way - here's the UK Met Office debunking the very data your story claims they released!
Originally posted by petrus4
I'm aware of the UN/think tanks' population reduction agenda.
We're basically looking at a psychopaths' royal rumble, here. In one corner, we have the psychopaths who are pushing for using the environment as a means of controlling people, and an excuse for said population reduction.
In the other, we have the psychopaths who want free rein to turn the entire planet into a coal fracked, oil slicked, burnt out cinder, with an atmosphere of pure methane; all in the name of profit.edit on 4-2-2012 by petrus4 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by jimbo999
reply to post by FlyingSpaghettiMonster
The BBC is no longer the voice of anything I'm afraid, other than the government in charge of the country who holds the purse strings. The BBC had it's collective ba*ls snipped by the Labour Party shortly after it released details of the interesting information reported to them by a British UN weapons inspector. He claimed Iraq had no WMDs - and he mysteriously turned up dead in a field shortly thereafter. Odd huh? Anyhow, the whole leadership of the BBC was fired, and reorganized. That was the day the BBC lost all it's independence and credibility.
Since then I've noticed the BBC constantly parroting the views of whoever is in power. That's all they can do if they want to survive any more.
Originally posted by ShockTruther
It would be amusing if it were not so sad. They just don't get it do they? Do they realize that funding for research has to come from somewhere. And that the results of research always benefits/agrees with the agenda of those who funded it. That the solutions presented are not solutions that can be implemented by individuals or small communities.
The only solutions presented are in the context of the corporations (the same that caused the mess and own the research and the government) solving the problems for us while taking us for more money. The same corporations that will not be held liable when it is discovered that the solutions presented are at best unhelpful, and at worst making things worse.
Really sad. But you know, I think that humans dislike logic and rational, moderate discussions. Just look at how long long religion has held its sway. Look at how quickly the institution of science has been corrupted and turned into a new religion. True spirituality and true science do not come from power hungry liars. But they do not see.
I have been able to read between the lines of what you have written and I think I understand your thinking. Deep ecology is the true way forward. I will build an Earthship and live in a self sustaining structure. I will surround myslef and my family with permacultured (forest garden-like) and wooded land. Yet those who would ridicule will continue to live in their "green" energy efficient homes constructed of newly manufactured materials. Living in a delusional structure and filled with delusions themselves.
I think that they have no idea of the Deep Ecology concept that you mentioned. They have been programmed to need a crisis, so they accept the climate change scenario as it is presented. No consideration of Gaia and her natural cycles is then considered. Do they not know, or do they not relate the collapse of civilizations such as that in the Indus valley. Did those people bring climate change upon themselves? But, they have been conditioned to believe that all of Gaia's cycles are too long for humans to feel. With this belief it is no wonder that their hubris causes them to believe that man is the culprit.
Everyone please listen. There are many reasons that we need to change the way we live and interact with the natural world. This is not new, but you act as if it is. Where were you (how did you treat the Earth) before the "climate crisis" and where would you be (How would you treat the Earth) without it?