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Where's Your Space-Time?

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posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 07:34 AM
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Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by ImaFungi
 


Humans are not happy and content otherwise they would not be searching for something. Humans are hurting, there is a constant uneasiness. That's what makes them such great consumers.



i was just trying to play devils advocate.... in that case the view point of the majority of this world.... im on your side... i see living the most simple life, spending time in nature, being present in each moment, the most rewarding way to spend a life as a human..... but as i was writing that i thought of when i was a child,, how magical the world was,,, walking in the woods.... and this is where i hop back into devils advocate...... i would spend a lot of time entertaining my self with my imagination,,, the world was a fantasy.... now from there all things that man has ever created have been created out of his imagination..... a little kid i was in love with my imagination,,, get a group of people together in an area,, and their imaginations will combine creatively to innovate,,to create..to make what they can imagine a reality....



in my mind,,,, i believe this has to do with god... as a creator,, an architect,,, the ability to intelligently design... we have that ability... we can admire gods work... and try our hand at it.... or we can stay a baby and die..... the history of man has been the steady growing up of a baby..... we are now at the height of gods toenail.
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posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 07:39 AM
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The imagination of a child comes from tv, when i was a child the children used to run around the woods with guns. Cowboy and Indians. Or World war two. The mind had been planted with seeds.
The true one sees all these bubbles of mind and is not fooled by the imagination.
Inspiration and imagination are different..



posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 07:43 AM
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Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by ImaFungi
 


The imagination of a child comes from tv, when i was a child the children used to run around the woods with guns. Cowboy and Indians. Or World war two. The mind had been planted with seeds.
The true one sees all these bubbles of mind and is not fooled by the imagination.
Inspiration and imagination are different..


imagination created everything from, any tool, any building, a spear, figured out to harness fire, and created language..figured out what foods to make.... all the human imagination

the imagination is the realm in your mind which you create.... the waking controlled dream.... where you can make your personal computations..... day dream... brainstorm....
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posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 09:16 AM
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Originally posted by rickymouse
reply to post by QueenofWeird
 
You've been watching a little too much Stargate SG1
We did get the communicators from Star Trek and handheld gadgets like the tricorder. "If we see it on tv it can become reality"



Hahah wel according to a lot of ATS-ers, what we see on tv has already become real and the tv shows are there to introduce us to all that crazy new tech. So when actually released in real life we'll recognize it.

Anyways, the real thing I am after is of course the food replicator from Star Trek. How awesome! And totally vegan! A bit of atoms, a bit of energy, a blue print and there you have your piping hot meal. Plus a nice wine to go along with it.



posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 09:22 AM
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Originally posted by Sphota
reply to post by ButtUglyToad
 


Many languages outside of English do not even conjugate verbs to reflect time. They are more concerned with aspect (completed or left incomplete) and veracity/"anecdotal-ness" (did you actually see it happen, or did some guy tell you).


Yes well, is math an invention or a discovery? But I am really interested in the languages you refer to. Which ones?



posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 09:56 AM
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Everything is as it is, imagination does not make it so. You can imagine that you are a pink elephant but it will not make it true.
To invent something that works, the 'real' world has to be experienced. Human inventions are taken from nature, that is why time travel will never be possible because there is no 'time' in nature only in imagination.
Whatever is doing this is far more intelligent than a persons mind could ever work out, it is the one being everything. It is driving, seeing, knowing and always present, it is the source of you, the source of all.
Look to what it is that sees. Between that what sees and what is seen is a mind that confuses, fragments, it 'thinks' and then believes there is more than one.
Seeing and seen are one.
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posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 11:40 AM
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Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

Originally posted by nii900



Where's Your Space-Time?

My Space-Time is always The future



The eYe of U and eYe of this U, live 2gether!


The eYe's have IT!


Ribbit


Ps: They won't get IT!
Stoopid iz what Stoopid does and humans dew stoopid better than anything else.


Pps: How long dew U think it will take the stoopid humans to notice that the symbol for Light "C" is "U" turned 90 degrees?
Sew then, what's IT take for U to become C?


Answer: CHANGE!



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posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 11:48 AM
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posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 11:51 AM
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posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 12:19 PM
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topic, happened what to the?



posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 12:23 PM
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Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by ImaFungi
 


There is only one thing you can know for sure and that is that there is experience. The experience in the present is it. Everything else is an assumption, an idea.
Only what is happening is true. What is not happening is not true, it is an assumption, a fabrication of mind.
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posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 12:35 PM
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What you are saying is merely a variation of what I pointed out. All these things may be expressed mathematically.
This does not change the fact that they are not the numbers themselves.
But if you wish to make the original question a bit more annoying check with a mathematician and I believe he will tell you that there is no real definition of the common world 'number'.
I believe he will also tell you that mathematical systems have been created that do not use numbers and so the automatic assumption that many people have that numbers and math are interchangeable is not correct.
Therefore the belief that the underlying mathematical order of the universe has anything to do with numbers is just an assumption and the question "where are these numbers?" is actually meaningless until someone can adequately define what is meant by 'number'
Which brings me back to my original point
This is a very silly discussion.



posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 02:26 PM
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Originally posted by ButtUglyToad
Your car occupies Space & Time at ALL times!
Just as Numbers occupy Space & Time at ALL times!

Ribbit


Space and Time? You ask a question concerning a specific identity delineation of one number from the next number, and you offer Space and Time as delineating factors in such a delineation. Space and Time have never been identity specifiers or delineating factors between non-corporeal manifestations of physical presence. You've painted a smile on yet another dog here. You need to overcome your belief in the primordial nature of your own corporeal human perceptions. Seriously.



posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 04:49 PM
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Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by SplitInfinity
 


I am one. You may 'think' there are three of you that you need to keep a check on, but i 'know' i am one.
Neo was split by his mind into more than one but there is only one (real) Neo. Neo had to find the real one. If you have not found 'the one' then you are still looking.
If you don't know 'the one' you will be led a merry dance by the mind. Are you allowing the mind to dominate you?
If you are not one then it is the matrix that is running you.



The Three We's of eYe:

1. WE
2. We
3. we

The Three Me's of we:

1. Me
2. My-self
3. eYe

If U didn't live only in the Now, U'd know that.


Ribbit



posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 05:09 PM
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Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by ButtUglyToad
 


I am not in two places ever. I am here and now always.
Time travel can only ever happen in imagination and it can only happen now.
The soul was never born and will never die.
Time and thought can only happen now.
Now is the single consciousness.
Time and thought bring the illusion of separation.



U actually got One thing right.


Time Travel can only happen in the imagination of God/Source, which is what U call Time.


Souls are born, with the birth of every galaxy and U have more brother & sister Souls than U can possibly imagine.


Now, Then, When, and Always the Single Consciousness exists.


I got the Equation slightly wrong yesterday:

> -Infinite > -1 : -1 > -finite 0 finite < 1 : 1 < Infinite <

I forgot to separate finite infinity from Infinite Infinity, with a colon.


The sum of all numbers is ZER0; an Infinite set of Points in 1D, a Circle in 2D, a Sphere in 3D!


Everything comes from Nothing, yet Nothing is SumThing, 4 IT occupies a finite amount of Space & Time.


Also, don't 4get that:

I = Infinite
f = finite

If = ONE.


Ribbit



posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 05:11 PM
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Originally posted by Puck 22
Since the question appears to me to be nonsensical I'm guessing I won't feel too silly putting my two cents in....
Space/Time and/or the relationship between them can be expressed mathematically using numbers. They are not the numbers themselves.
Where are these numbers?
Where they have always been. Do you believe the numbers used to describe or calculate Space/Time are somehow different from your average run of the mill numbers? Are you suggesting that physicists are using numbers that differ from the same numbers found on a second-grader's number line? Do physicists have different calculators which use different numbers when dealing with calculations that involve Space/Time?
Nope. Didn't work. I still feel silly even discussing this.


There are TWO places the Space-Time of Numbers can possibly exist, in-between (wrong answer) or the number itself (right answer). Physicists are using the wrong place and 2nd graders know better.


Ribbit



posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 05:31 PM
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Originally posted by ImaFungi

Originally posted by SoulVisions


I specifically stated there was no death. Then remarked about decay and the slowing of universal expansion.
So who are you directing this comment towards? I JUST stated this earlier.

As for your "universe is alive" statement, I rest my case on that one.



I thought scientists believe they discovered the universe was increasing in velocity as it expanded?

also if "the universe is not alive" where are you? what are you? and why are you alive?

Also when we try to receive images of the entire universe... wouldn't it be the case that by the time the most distant galaxies captured in the images we receive,those galaxies would currently be a many million times farther away... making the All Mighty Toads statement about the universe being millions of times larger then we think it is, true?

also regarding the 100% recycling... matter cannot be created or destroyed... so the universe is an eternal recycle of infinity.



The only thing eYe disagree with is the Almighty comment.


eYe'm just a lil toad that sits in the middle of the road, gazing up into the heavens, questioning IT.


Also note the acronym of my username: BUT = exception/objection/simply

eYe like what U said about recycling.
Butt eYe'm going 2 change it a bit, mathematically:

The Universe/Source/God is an Infinite recycle of finite, all the while generating more energy, growing, and learning. The Perfect Being!


Where's the Beef? What If?


eYe know where the Beef IS and eYe know If as well.


Ribbit


Ps: Science didn't get Gravity right either.



posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 05:41 PM
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Originally posted by ImaFungi
reply to post by Puck 22
 


what i got out of the physical representation of numbers in this thread personally.....

is that in physical reality... all forms of energy, atoms, molecules.. that form together to create things, have a very necessary quantitative quality... there are technically a countable amount of separate parts that make you up... although these numbers may always be in fluctuation..they do exist, and their existence is is what allows physical reality to do what it does

everything is a mathematical formula... your life... you are born, seconds, minutes, days, weeks, months, years.... the meals you consume and the way in which you get them,, the amount of nutrients within each meal,, do their different function to your body, giving different modes of energy,,, the time and amount you spend learning and understanding.. to building a skill,, repetition, practice makes perfect.... everything is a formula. there are infinite methods to this madness.. and many many patterns



Everything is Math!


It's just ONE of the many things the Wachowski's showed in the Matrix.


And the interesting thing is, IT is simple Math and doesn't require Calculus to explain the Universe/Source/God. Butt wouldn't God/Source live by the Golden Rule of Math?

"Everything should be made as simple as possible butt kNot any simplier." - Albert Einstein

Ribbit


Ps: U know the Rule of kNot dividing by Zero. If All is ONE butt Time (Present/Now) is Zero, what is One/Zero?


Answer = Infinite Contradiction = IC = Infinite Light



posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 05:42 PM
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Originally posted by ImaFungi

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by ImaFungi
 


All of what you write happens without humans counting and formulating. Humans can only observe what seems to be occuring and then try to work it out. The working it out will not satisfy.
It is happening as it is. All we can do is wonder at the miracle.
youtu.be...



all of what i write.... the reason i know words and the orders i can place them in is from my formulating them into memory,,

language and buildings, and cars, a spears were made by observing what is occurring and working things out


Werk'n things out = Dew'n the Math


Ribbit



posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 05:54 PM
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Yes, but what does it mean man?!

What does it mean?!

Everyone makes it all sound so complicated.
The words get twisted in numbers and meaningless meanings.

was, am , will




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