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Where's Your Space-Time?

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posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 06:31 AM
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'I' is not an appearance. 'I' sees the appearances.
Knowing without seeing is what seems to happen in deep sleep, there are no appearances appearing but the 'I' is still present.
Please watch the video.
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posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 06:31 AM
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Originally posted by Itisnowagain
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You feel insulted by the truth. You can 'assume' anything but it does not make it true. Only experience is true.
You are not contained in a brain unless you believe you are.

I do not expect you to listen to me. You are seeing only what appears presently.
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no i was insulted because i thought you were describing what i think is solipsism.... the how do you know you are not the only thing that exists,, but in the way that everyone else is an illusion crated by you... i dont fancy that because i dont believe it.,,..,

What does make something true? what is a belief other then an assumption,, what is to know other then to assume you know?



posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 06:34 AM
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There is only one thing you can know for sure and that is that there is experience. The experience in the present is it. Everything else is an assumption, an idea.
Only what is happening is true. What is not happening is not true, it is an assumption, a fabrication of mind.
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posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 06:36 AM
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Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by ImaFungi
 


'I' is not an appearance. 'I' sees the appearances.
Knowing without seeing is what seems to happen in deep sleep, there are no appearances appearing but the 'I' is still present.
Please watch the video.
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ahh, so i think this is what the toadster oven was talking about the universe being an inversion, you say I is not an appearance,, I sees the appearance... in order to have a mechanism which views all other things,, it it self must be a non thing? the seer is in tangible? it is the black hole... the iris of your eye.... the opposite of energy and matter... but the interpreter of energy and matters appearences?



posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 06:39 AM
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Originally posted by Itisnowagain
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There is only one thing you can know for sure and that is that there is experience. The experience in the present is it. Everything else is an assumption, an idea.
Only what is happening is true. What is not happening is not true, it is an assumption, a fabrication of mind.
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but existence of your present experience and continual experience depends on assumptions, ideas, beliefs, faiths, fabrications of mind,.., you are saying all of those things which you use to experience,, are not true?



posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 06:41 AM
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The 'I' or 'eye' does not interpret, it sees as it is.
The mind is like a splitter, it makes everything two. The mind does not see now because now is singular and the mind works in opposites, it cuts now into past and future. Past and future are of mind.
Now is not of mind.



posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 06:45 AM
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Experience/life is happening, i do not need to assume a past or future. If i assume a past and future then it is being written by something that believes it is real when it is not.
Try not to experience right now.

Existance is/you are.


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posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 06:49 AM
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Originally posted by Itisnowagain
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The 'I' or 'eye' does not interpret, it sees as it is.
The mind is like a splitter, it makes everything two. The mind does not see now because now is singular and the mind works in opposites, it cuts now into past and future. Past and future are of mind.
Now is not of mind.


Ok so the I is born a baby.,.,,. what allows the I within this baby, to interact with its experience, to interpret what it sees, and grow..........

The mind makes everything two? i dont get that part

what does interpret if not "I'?

and are you suggesting any interpretation other then direct passive experience is false?



posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 06:54 AM
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The 'i' does not interact. The 'I' is all there is. A baby is not the world and baby. The baby is the world and has not separated itself into two, world and me. Where ever the baby (i) is, is all there is. The baby has not believed in separation yet. Experience is all the baby knows. The baby knows the truth and then is taught about a separate identity call 'self'. That 'self' is an imposter which will only cause suffering.
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posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 06:55 AM
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There is no 'inside' you and 'outside' of you. This is the mistake that makes life painful. There is only ever what is known presently.
The way you feel is what is present. You will only ever beable to experience what you are experiencing presently.
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posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 07:06 AM
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Originally posted by Itisnowagain
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There is no 'inside' you and 'outside' of you. This is the mistake that makes life painful.


can you see how the believing of the self, as a separate from surrounding nature physically but dependent on nature physically entity,, allows for progress to be made... allowed for humans to innovate ways of creating comfort and sturdier homes and tools,,by interacting and learning this nature.. survival in nature without this cunningness is very hard and maybe more so full of suffering,,, .....im just playing the other side.... people that are alive today are the babies that have grown to value this life extremely, to love this realm so much they wish to spend ever waking moment bettering it etc.... you would say the least amount of suffering is for the baby to remain as one with its surrounding nature and die as soon as possible in order to experience the least amount of suffering?



posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 07:11 AM
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The belief in better is the belief that this is not good enough.
The 'self' is not happy, it is looking for more because it does not realize that it is complete.
It is looking to be complete by 'thinking' that something can make it better, the looking is what keeps it believing that it is separate to the whole.
When it stops seeking it will find it is complete.
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posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 07:14 AM
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Originally posted by Itisnowagain
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The belief in better is the belief that this is not good enough.
The 'self' is not happy, it is looking for more because it does not realize that it is complete.


look what "this" is for a newborn baby.... the being cannot exist, if it does not interact to better itself....

you are under the impression that civilization fell out of the sky?

if we were in primitive times.. how would we maintain our "selves" so we can chat about philosophy?



posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 07:17 AM
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Suffering will lead the baby back to oneness. It can never leave oneness however the mind makes the one think it is more than one. The pain that humans feel will eventually return them to knowing the oneness.
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posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 07:20 AM
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Originally posted by Itisnowagain
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Suffering will lead the baby back to oneness. It can never leave oneness however the mind makes the one think it is more than one. The pain that humans feel will eventually return them to knowing the oneness.
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your assuming that most humans feel pain for a large extent of their lives... you assume humans are not thrilled with their "self" and interact with their experiences in a creative manner, and enjoy luxuries and passionate work, cultivated relaxation etc..?

Also,.., are you assuming that its not the point/meaning of physical, individual, incarnation as a separate cognitive, creative, free willed being is to escape the oneness,.., even for a life timed moment,, to experience a separate "self"?
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posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 07:21 AM
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The baby is being, it does not expect anything else.
The mind that will be implanted into this baby will be dis-satisfied. It will want more or less. The wanting will bring pain and misery.



posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 07:23 AM
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The baby is being, it does not expect anything else.
The mind that will be implanted into this baby will be dis-satisfied. It will want more or less. The wanting will bring pain and misery.


what if the wanting, motivates the doing, for having, to be living

the wanting is a basic necessity of this worlds life.... you want to live, if you didnt, you wouldnt continue consuming energy... the reality of this world is harsh..... life must be fought for.... it is not easy... it is not painless.....the seer desires to experience itself eternally,, not to be bothered by suffering and desiree..
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posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 07:25 AM
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Humans are not happy and content otherwise they would not be searching for something. Humans are hurting, there is a constant uneasiness. That's what makes them such great consumers.



posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 07:27 AM
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Wanting is pain. The human condition is to want. If you wanted what you have and didn't want what you don't have you would be happy.
But wanting doesn't work that way.
Everything is provided and everything is being done. It is just humans who question this and only humans 'think' there is something missing or something is wrong.
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posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 07:31 AM
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Living does not happen because i want.
Existance is/I am (not two things).
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