Where's Your Space-Time?

reply to post by ImaFungi


There is no separate 'you' that can do anything. You are being done, 'this' is being done.
Whatever is happening is happening. You are not separate to the happening.


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reply to post by Itisnowagain



what your arguing is pre determination and free will? id say complete freedom cannot even be defined from the bias of a human,, the closet thing to complete freedom would be non existence... humans are the most "free" bundles of energy i can think of... in the fact that they can direct their "fate" to a large extent...

you are saying i dont have a choice in a way that.... when i was ten i could have wandered into the woods and layed there until i died... or i did what i did to arrive here now..... or i could have got hit by a car..... or ( this didnt happen) but i could have become an astronaut.....

ii kind of understand what your expressing, i understand what the dude is expressing.... but i dont know what you want it to mean to me exactly... or what you think it means... i understand... i am a human, i cannot halt time,, i did not choose for my surrounding nature to be decorate in its manner... i did not choose my sex,, i in a way was whisked by fate in a many number of ways,, i learned english because of my birthplace.. looking back you can say these things happened to me,,, i was being created....

The happening is happening presently, it can not happen at any other 'time'. There is only ever 'this' happening. The mind, with it's thoughts, thinks there is another time, it projects images of another 'time' but really it is just thinking time by believing thought. The mind is deluded when it believes there is more than what is present.

reply to post by SoulVisions

OK...I will give you a fact that points in the direction of our limited ability to understand a Multiverse. You know what a Proton and a Neutron are...correct? Well...there are many other smaller QUANTUM particles that make up what a Proton and Neutron are. Some of the names are Quarks, Leptons, Glueons...etc.

Lets take Quarks as an example...inside every Proton and Neutron there are always a minimum or maximum number of Quarks...but this quantity is in constant flux...they litteraly blink in and out of Universal Existance...but they never are less than a Minimum number or more than a Maximum Number....but in between...they can change number of existing particles and they just blink in and out of existance.

Where do they go? They do not remain in our Universal state as this would be mesurable. Most likely....these quarks will be close to or at maximum in a version of you in which there is a High Probability of action that is creating an altogether new Divergent Universal state via probability.

So you are driving to work in the sme car you take using the same route...when a truck going down the same route toward you loaded with lumber...has a metal brace snap because that particular morning the man responsible for attaching and tightening this brace....had a person bump into him and he spilled his coffee that he purchaced. The person bumping into him ran fve minutes late that morning because of a failed battery in an alarm clock...thus if that battery had not failed...they would not be late and would not have been there to bump into the truck loader to spill his coffee...because the loader was not awake as uch as if he had coffee...heover tourqued the lumber brace....at the point it snapped...Quarks start rushing into this Universal State where an action may take place that will allow the lumber to fall in to the road and block traffic....these quarks continue to gain in number toward or at maximum as probability increases of this possible action...if you decide to turn around to get a paper you forgot before the lumber blocks the road....your body and car and the quarks inside them will gradually decreace as you will miss the event and head down a different Divergent Universal path...than the one that could kill you or make you late...but as you have now gone back home....probabilities of other actions regulate flows of these particles.

For you and I to exist....every possible version of events or conditions must exist based on probability as well as Quantum Particle exchange and existance help directing and creating Alternate versions of Divergent Universal States....this is a Multiverse. Split Infinity

reply to post by ImaFungi


You are being and you can know that you are being. The words that you listen to about what you are, was, or could have been are not you. You are present right now.
You can be present with what is present. You can be present whilst 'thinking' about the past or future but it is more satisfying to be at home with now.
Humans are lost in time. But 'now' am found.

reply to post by Itisnowagain


Yeah its like if one can lose their disconnection to everything else they can find themselves in the here and now....

reply to post by SplitInfinity


Quarks both are and aren't at the same time. In a vacumn virtual particles appear and disappear. What you see all around you is appearances and disappearances. Even your body is an appearance that will disappear. Each thought that you experience arises now and disappears now. You can keep nothing, it can not be grasped.

reply to post by FinalAccount2008


Yes. Every 'thing' is passing. All thought that arises can be attached to or not. Humans find it almost impossible not to be disturbed by thoughts. They resist them so they become stuck to them.

reply to post by Itisnowagain


ignore that last one im tired came out #e.........

all that exists is here and now...... with what you are stating... what are you denying of others though?

the ability to plan? to conceptualize and actualize? to grow? to create originality? to play sport? to play music?

or you are just pointing out your observation that all those things are things that happen?

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by SplitInfinity

 

I am one. You may 'think' there are three of you that you need to keep a check on, but i 'know' i am one.
Neo was split by his mind into more than one but there is only one (real) Neo. Neo had to find the real one. If you have not found 'the one' then you are still looking.
If you don't know 'the one' you will be led a merry dance by the mind. Are you allowing the mind to dominate you?
If you are not one then it is the matrix that is running you.

edit on 5-2-2012 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)

Now how can you be sure of this when there is much evidence to support that you are more than on consciousness? When a medical procedure is done that severs the connecton between the Left and Right Hemespheres of a persons brain...then a spacer is placed beteen your eyes so that when one eye is shown one card with a picture of a geometric figure...say a square....and the other eye is shown a card of a picture of simple addition problem like 3 plus 4 equals?....if the right eye sees the Math question and the left side sees the square....you will only percieve seeing the square....as the Right side is the creative side and not the analitical and won't do the math...all you will see is the square. Split Infinity

reply to post by SplitInfinity


It does not matter how many brains you ar told you have. What is seen is the square. The seer is the one.

The seer and knower of the square that is experienced is the one. The mind maybe confused when it hears the stories of the surgeons and brain specialists, the mind will be in doubt. The mind will always be in doubt because it listens to others. The mind looks 'out there' to check it's own experience. The one knows it can only experience itself.

reply to post by SplitInfinity


i feel like that example has more to do with the severed connection... if i cut my arm off i would not be 2....

all the parts make the whole... the 2 parts of the brain,, like there is a brain and a heart... make you....

now i dont know if you can say there are multiple yous..... your physical and mental is always a quantity of one....

but how many different phases have you been through since birth? different yous..... and this could be what itsnowagain is talking about... we seperate, and label and dictate these different ideas.. when really there is no seperation,, it is a sloppy slimy growth of you in real time without interuption,, a constant happening. a being..

but it is those little sections,, the seperate frames that make up the fluid film.... the compartmentalizing,, organizing, grouping, measuring, adding, this is how we came to be what we are,, and this is what we use to be... these concepts of us doing that is our building blocks of life...

reply to post by Itisnowagain


do you know of alan watts?

reply to post by ImaFungi


It may appear that there have been different 'yous', the body, the hair, the teeth, the thoughts, the ideas, the beliefs but there has always been the same presence throughout. The one that looks through the eyes and hears is the same, it does not change ever.

reply to post by ImaFungi


Yes, Alan Watts is one of my favorites.

reply to post by Itisnowagain


I understand that .... that is the seer.... the observer... that which does the labeling... that is the spirit... the divine spark.... it is that same essence which is behind the eyes of all conscious beings...

reply to post by ImaFungi


The seer and knower does not label and name. The seer sees the labelling happening.
The seer only sees and knows and is always present before the mind labels and names. It is the naming and belief in the label that gets us into trouble.

reply to post by ImaFungi


Whatever appears is only an appearance, it is constantly moving and changing. The seer and knower of the appearance is silent and still and constant, it never moves.

reply to post by Itisnowagain


my whole point is the seer is in control of the mind... and body.... the seer is the pilot of the ship.... the spark plug... the engine... with out it there is no action, no knowing, the seer has to interact with its mind body and environment.... when i speak to you, i am speaking to the seer... who i assume is speaking to me..


everything humans have created and accomplished is due to the seer... all labeling, the creation of language... the act of contemplation and understanding,,, the shot of a basketball or gun... the seer.

reply to post by ImaFungi


I wouldn't say that the seer is in control of the mind, no one is in control. However, it is wise to see that the mind should not be the one, two, three that should be in charge, the mind is on many different paths.
If the seer and knower is known then all will take care of itself.