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posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 01:06 AM
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Originally posted by SoulVisions

While these videos are humorous, it's disreputable to post things like this when you have a point to prove. We now know what media interests you the most.



There are THREE parts to U'r Reality:

1. Conceptual
2. Perceptual
3. Physical

Only the Physical is REAL, the other Two are an Illusion!


U'r comment is PURE Perceptual Conceptions, thus, kNot worth the electrons it took to display them.


U-R-I = yoU aRe an Idiot

"Sticks and stones will break my bones butt werds will never hurt me."

What's it going 2 take 2 get U to see the trUth? Or R U 2 dumb?


Ribbit




posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 01:11 AM
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Originally posted by yourignoranceisbliss
Time and space are entirely subjective upon the perspective and will of the individual. If you assume or really believe you are correct, you are then correct until you are proven otherwise, because it is at that instant of being proven incorrect that your view auto-aligns to assume a new and corect perspective.

For example, you believe a peanut is named "orange". You would be incorrect, but the orange you perceive differs not at all from what everyone else sees as a peanut. You could live your entire life calling that peanut and orange, and there would be no harm done at all by doin so. Such is the power of your will, that even if you knew it was really called peanut, you can rationalize that its really an orange and everyone else in the world is wrong, because that is an unlikely but feasible possibility.

Self rational force of will determines the rules of the universe you trap yourself inside. You perceive you are a singular entity trapped upon a tiny rock gyrating around endlessly in our galaxy, and thus that's all you will ever be until you know better. Will you ever know better? You'll have your answer to this someday, and I hope you find the answer yourself.



What U just described is the You're Always Right Paradox, which PROVES EveryOne is Closed Minded!


The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics applies FULLY to Humans butt kNot to the Universe. U R a Closed System, each and Every ONE of U, butt the Universe is a Open System and U were designed the way U R intentionally!


U said nothing correct about Space & Time.


Ribbit



posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 01:20 AM
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PLEASE take the time to read this post.




Originally posted by SplitInfinity
In a Multiversal State....there are INFINITE YOU'S.....


This is a concept way beyond what most can fully grasp, including myself.

People will often say things like, "Oh yeah? Well know that delicious cheeseburger you just ate? In another universe parallel to this one, you never even ORDERED that cheeseburger."

But while that may be the case, when I was born, cried, blinked, fed, grew, etc.. could all have had an infinite number of different possibilities than the one I was experiencing.

In fact, 99.999...% of those universes wouldn't have even involved me. My actions in one of those "realms" could have been exactly the same as the actions I've taken here in this life, with the only difference being that somewhere in one of those "dimensions" a bug decided to jump to the left rather than to the right.

(Pardon my slight tangent of discussion now, it's just I'm seeing names of people "offering insight" here..)

These concepts of "infinity" are impossible to comprehend without being somehow omnipotent. And even if we were, and let's say we were God or the equivalent, then somewhere out there in a different parallel dimension it would have to mean that there was another "me," or namely, another God. Blasphemy?

Religion and even just the CONCEPT of parallel or infinite dimensions can not peacefully co-exist.

That being said, who here would like to tell me they are believers in God AND multiple dimensions? (and I don't mean spirit realm because invisible to our eyes doesn't mean non-existent. I mean parallels, specifically) I've seen the posts on these forums. I know who has suggested such spiritual beliefs while making claim of "infinite"-action dimensions. Even on this thread are such multi-verse claims made. But then you go into other forums and see these same people... Individuals that just aren't thinking, and jump onto popular bandwagon ideas.

Apparently this concept has never even been introduced on ATS, nor publicly in many places at all it seems.

With these things in mind now, who here now wishes to dispute these things? Spiritual beliefs and science actually concur. It just depends which system of beliefs you are talking about.

ANYWAYS, back on track, if the concept of God, and one that "has always been" can be accepted on faith, so too must ideas like multi-verses/parallel dimensions. (Simply not together, as that is adverse to most doctrine.)

If I may, I would like to suggest that if alternate dimensions existed at all, then they could only be ones involving things like physics not being the same, etc.

"Space" and "time" flow CAN be altered in different ways. Debating on their existence, though?
For crying out loud...
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posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 01:26 AM
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Originally posted by TopherWayne
reply to post by ButtUglyToad
 


What is the source/god? Is it a being in another dimension or true reality? Are we just a game like The Sims being played by the source/god? Forgive the ignorance of my questions, this is all new to me and my mind is a little blown. Thanks Toad!


That's a loaded question and there is Zero ignorance to IT.


Which god U talking about? The Real One or the god peeps worship or spit at?


The god peeps worship isn't the true God/Source, 4 the true God/Source is the Singularity Consciousness that all Life comes from, but U are kNot Life, that is, lifeforms on this planet are not true Life. Ever see the movie The 13th Floor?


True Life = WE the Souls = Children of God/Source

The Soul that powers U'r human host is what gives U'r host the appearance of Life butt if U'r Soul were to be disconnected from the human host, the host wood immediately cease to function and die, but U'r Soul is eternal and never dies.

There is no sPoon!

There is no dEath!

There is only Life butt U R knot Life.

Ribbit



posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 01:26 AM
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Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

U say thinking requires no space, yet thinking is Thought and a Source (Consciousness) is required for the Thought to come from and a mYnd is required to store that Thought, which the Consciousness & mYnd then must occupy Space, then Time is required for the Thought to occur.


Consciousness + Thought + mYnd = LIFE

"eYe think, therefore eYe IS!"


I = 9
S = 19

9 + 19 = 28 = 2nd Perfect Number

28 = 2 + 8 = 10 = 1 + 0 = ONE

"eYe think, therefore eYe ONE."

Ribbit


Or rather you think therefore you think you "is".
It seems you thought that up in no time.........................
Ponder also if thought requires space, what dimensions does it require, does "deep" thought require more space is it in fact more weighty ?
Is the meatbag a part of your Consciousness ? and if so then the an everlasting soul a myth indeed. If not then I must request the dimensions of your soul. So much for space.

When an hour feels like eternity. Is it ? Or are you choosing instead to perceive it that way ?
If the former then time as you describe it is non linear and unmeasurable with your number constructs. Ergo no time required.
if the later a function of your Consciousness and proof indeed that time is a construct to be varied at will (or not) and can be said to be nothing more than a whim to be indulged at leisure or never.

Better to ask are you (the vessel) conscious of being alive or you (the vessel) alive to be conscious ?



posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 01:31 AM
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There are no parallel Universes, or what sum call multi-verses other than the Two, butt that doesn't mean WE don't repeat Matrices over-and-over-and-over.


Timelines are part of a Closed System, thus, have nothing to dew with Time itself, sew it is possible for the person U R to exist many times over, past & future, besides the U Now.


Ribbit



posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 01:33 AM
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Originally posted by ButtUglyToad
The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics applies FULLY to Humans butt kNot to the Universe.
Ribbit


YES, it DOES. Where in the world did you hear this from? Even the expansion of our "universe" is "decaying." (not dying, mind you. just slowing) I'm not even going to go into the birth/death cycle of celestial bodies.

The only dimension "creation and death cycle" theory out there right now that even remotely could be a possibility involves [hold on, trying to put this in lay terms]

.. a "bubble" type theory whereas it's like a tall glass of beer, rises to the top, bursts, then disperses either back down below or to show up as a "new" bubble now rising again from the bottom of the glass. A star is created, lives it's life, dies, blackhole, creation of new star, etc. But imagine the universe has a life cycle like this star... hard to explain. Anyways, unified field is right on in it's concept, it's just that we don't know the right one yet (which unified theory).

As for Einstein, again, it's relative frame issues. And mostly only viable when used to do calculations within "constant" constraints. Whereas space, and unknown fields (location, force, etc) cannot be calculated or even guessed at. Therefore using his Laws to figure things out in "spatial" mysteries will not always work.
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posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 01:43 AM
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Originally posted by Noncompatible

Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

U say thinking requires no space, yet thinking is Thought and a Source (Consciousness) is required for the Thought to come from and a mYnd is required to store that Thought, which the Consciousness & mYnd then must occupy Space, then Time is required for the Thought to occur.


Consciousness + Thought + mYnd = LIFE

"eYe think, therefore eYe IS!"


I = 9
S = 19

9 + 19 = 28 = 2nd Perfect Number

28 = 2 + 8 = 10 = 1 + 0 = ONE

"eYe think, therefore eYe ONE."

Ribbit


Or rather you think therefore you think you "is".
It seems you thought that up in no time.........................
Ponder also if thought requires space, what dimensions does it require, does "deep" thought require more space is it in fact more weighty ?
Is the meatbag a part of your Consciousness ? and if so then the an everlasting soul a myth indeed. If not then I must request the dimensions of your soul. So much for space.

When an hour feels like eternity. Is it ? Or are you choosing instead to perceive it that way ?
If the former then time as you describe it is non linear and unmeasurable with your number constructs. Ergo no time required.
if the later a function of your Consciousness and proof indeed that time is a construct to be varied at will (or not) and can be said to be nothing more than a whim to be indulged at leisure or never.

Better to ask are you (the vessel) conscious of being alive or you (the vessel) alive to be conscious ?


What is wrong with you peeps? Dew I have to stick it so far up your butts it's coming out of your nose, for you to get it?


U said: "if thought requires space." Where did eYe say THOUGHT requires Space? I CLEARLY said Consciousness & Mind require Space and THOUGHT requires TIME!

If U are going to be a part of this conversation, at the very least, be a part of IT and kNot just talking to U'r self.

Read my werds carefully! I construct my sentences carefully sew as to kNot say sumthing wrong, although I dew screw up sumtimes, but eYe didn't with the comment to U.


I also did kNot refer to myself as a YOU, eYe referred to myself as eYe, which has a whole other meaning to IT!

U R lost in U'r self!


What Verse does the Collective Consciousness of the Universe reside IN? Consider U get U'r consciousness from IT, eYe wood think that wood be a better question to ask, instead of the imbecilic question U asked!
Plus, considering WE the Souls reside in the same Verse as the Collective Consciousness, U'r Soul isn't within U, fool.


U-R-I = yoU aRe an Idiot

In the werds of Flo(w):

"Kiss my grits!"

Ribbit



posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 01:44 AM
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reply to post by SoulVisions
 


Do you consider dark matter and energy as "good" science? If so, then the expansion may not indeed be slowing but quite the reverse.
Be careful what you "know", what we "know" changes regularly.



posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 01:45 AM
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Originally posted by ButtUglyToad
Timelines are part of a Closed System, thus, have nothing to dew with Time itself, sew it is possible for the person U R to exist many times over, past & future, besides the U Now.


Ribbit


You are stating your belief but it's not entirely accurate.

I know of an experiment that if you tell, or prove to me you have resources for, I can explain in detail for you how to test/prove issues re: "time". Your understanding of time is conceptual in a lot of ways. I can show (not explain, but actually show) you how it can be warped around. But not on a public forum. Not a question of me looking like a nutcase, or being proven wrong, it's just device manufacturing that can't be just put out there (legality) mainly because of it being currently in use for testing at this very time.



posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 01:47 AM
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Originally posted by SoulVisions

Originally posted by ButtUglyToad
The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics applies FULLY to Humans butt kNot to the Universe.
Ribbit


YES, it DOES. Where in the world did you hear this from? Even the expansion of our "universe" is "decaying." (not dying, mind you. just slowing) I'm not even going to go into the birth/death cycle of celestial bodies.

The only dimension "creation and death cycle" theory out there right now that even remotely could be a possibility involves [hold on, trying to put this in lay terms]

.. a "bubble" type theory whereas it's like a tall glass of beer. A star is created, lives it's life, dies, blackhole, creation of new star, etc. But imagine the universe has a life cycle like this star... hard to explain. Anyways, unified field is right on in it's concept, it's just that we don't know the right one yet (which unified theory).

As for Einstein, again, it's relative frame issues. And mostly only viable when used to do calculations within "constant" constraints. Whereas space, and unknown fields (location, force, etc) cannot be calculated or even guessed at. Therefore using his Laws to figure things out in "spatial" mysteries will not always work.


The Universe is a Open System, surrounded by a Klein Sphere (spherical black hole) and all matter is recycled and there is ZERO entropy!

Guess what? Redshift has been proven to be WRONG! It isn't what U thought it was, it has to dew with the AGE of the LIGHT! All of U'r 2nd Law of Thermodynamic Theories are FAILING! EVERY ONE OF THEM!

U clearly aren't keeping up with the NEW discoveries!


Ribbit



posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 01:50 AM
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Originally posted by SoulVisions

Originally posted by ButtUglyToad
Timelines are part of a Closed System, thus, have nothing to dew with Time itself, sew it is possible for the person U R to exist many times over, past & future, besides the U Now.


Ribbit


You are stating your belief but it's not entirely accurate.

I know of an experiment that if you tell, or prove to me you have resources for, I can explain in detail for you how to test/prove issues re: "time". Your understanding of time is conceptual in a lot of ways. I can show (not explain, but actually show) you how it can be warped around. But not on a public forum. Not a question of me looking like a nutcase, or being proven wrong, it's just device manufacturing that can't be just put out there (legality) mainly because of it being currently in use for testing at this very time.



TiMe is the Thought Process of the Collective Consciousness of the Universe/Source/God and an imbecile like humans cannot muck with IT!


Time Dialation is also UTTER BS! It is the SECOND possible answer to the Equation that has TWO possible answers: One is Right and the other is WRONG. Time Dialation is the WRONG ANSWER!


Ribbit



posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 01:51 AM
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Despite your obvious failings, I will repost verbatim, the important part and bold it so even you can read it properly.

Or rather you think therefore you think you "is".
It seems you thought that up in no time.........................
Ponder also if thought requires space, what dimensions does it require, does "deep" thought require more space is it in fact more weighty ?
Is the meatbag a part of your Consciousness ? and if so then the an everlasting soul a myth indeed. If not then I must request the dimensions of your soul. So much for space.

Before insulting another, be sure of your position.

I'll understand if it is a little hard for you to follow regular english as you appear to have an issue with it.



posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 01:54 AM
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Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

Guess what? Redshift has been proven to be WRONG! It isn't what U thought it was, it has to dew with the AGE of the LIGHT! All of U'r 2nd Law of Thermodynamic Theories are FAILING! EVERY ONE OF THEM!

U clearly aren't keeping up with the NEW discoveries!


Ribbit


And you are quoting from work other people are doing. I told you that I can prove these things to you, not talk about other's work, or just link to another site.

Frustrating. People are going to believe whatever they are told is "right" most recently aren't they?
Makes me think of Dr. Spock and all his "correct at that time" theories about how children should not be punished in a particular type of way. We all saw how that turned out later for him didn't we?

Believe what you want. Popular ideas aren't always right. Nor are people who claim to "know" what they are talking about without proof.

Issues relating to science, is this a hobby of yours or have you done real work in it?
I'm not insulting, I'm being earnest.
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posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 01:58 AM
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Originally posted by Noncompatible
reply to post by SoulVisions
 


Do you consider dark matter and energy as "good" science? If so, then the expansion may not indeed be slowing but quite the reverse.
Be careful what you "know", what we "know" changes regularly.



Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation (CMBR's) has ZERO to dew with the Growth of the Universe and the Big Bang Theory is BS. The CMBR's are residual radiation left behind from our Galaxy's Light Bubble, which came from our Galaxy's BIRTH 14 to 15 billion earth years ago.
There is kNot ONe singularity at the center of galaxies, there are TWO and they are back-to-back and are directional, which means only one side is open to this spatial verse and the other side is open to the spatial verse above/below this one.

Galaxies are born one-at-a-time and the Universe, in it's CURRENT form, is a googolplex squared to a googolplex squared to a googolplex earth years old and there are approximately 250 trillion galaxies, with new ones born each and every earth day. NASA found a Galactic Egg-Timer.


Ribbit



posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 02:01 AM
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Originally posted by ButtUglyToad
TiMe is the Thought Process of the Collective Consciousness of the Universe/Source/God and an imbecile like humans cannot muck with IT!


Time Dialation is also UTTER BS! It is the SECOND possible answer to the Equation that has TWO possible answers: One is Right and the other is WRONG. Time Dialation is the WRONG ANSWER!


Ribbit


I guess you told me, huh? Man, I've wasted YEARS with my work then.
Your belief in theory without proof is so strong, there's no way it couldn't be right!



posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 02:03 AM
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Originally posted by SoulVisions

Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

Guess what? Redshift has been proven to be WRONG! It isn't what U thought it was, it has to dew with the AGE of the LIGHT! All of U'r 2nd Law of Thermodynamic Theories are FAILING! EVERY ONE OF THEM!

U clearly aren't keeping up with the NEW discoveries!


Ribbit


And you are quoting from work other people are doing. I told you that I can prove these things to you, not talk about other's work, or just link to another site.

Frustrating. People are going to believe whatever they are told is "right" most recently aren't they?
Makes me think of Dr. Spock and all his "correct at that time" theories about how children should not be punished in a particular type of way. We all saw how that turned out later for him didn't we?

Believe what you want. Popular ideas aren't always right. Nor are people who claim to "know" what they are talking about without proof.

Issues relating to science, is this a hobby of yours or have you done real work in it?
I'm not insulting, I'm being earnest.


You cannot prove the trUth with the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, except for applying it 2 humans!


Galaxies are born (true birth) one at a time and there is Zero entropy, because EVERYTHING is recycled. The Klein Sphere prevents loss.


Zero Loss + 100% Recycling + Growth + Virgin Matter Creation = Perpetual Motion Universe = The Most Perfect Self Contained Lifeform possible

The Universe IS Life, because IT IS ALIVE!


Ribbit



posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 02:05 AM
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Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

Originally posted by Noncompatible
 


Do you consider dark matter and energy as "good" science? If so, then the expansion may not indeed be slowing but quite the reverse.
Be careful what you "know", what we "know" changes regularly.



Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation (CMBR's) has ZERO to dew with the Growth of the Universe and the Big Bang Theory is BS. The CMBR's are residual radiation left behind from our Galaxy's Light Bubble, which came from our Galaxy's BIRTH 14 to 15 billion earth years ago.
There is kNot ONe singularity at the center of galaxies, there are TWO and they are back-to-back and are directional, which means only one side is open to this spatial verse and the other side is open to the spatial verse above/below this one.

Galaxies are born one-at-a-time and the Universe, in it's CURRENT form, is a googolplex squared to a googolplex squared to a googolplex earth years old and there are approximately 250 trillion galaxies, with new ones born each and every earth day. NASA found a Galactic Egg-Timer.


Ribbit


I've not seen anyone debate this. Still, in all respects, it is a theory as well. Your "knowledge" is all over the place.



posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 02:07 AM
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Originally posted by SoulVisions

Originally posted by ButtUglyToad
TiMe is the Thought Process of the Collective Consciousness of the Universe/Source/God and an imbecile like humans cannot muck with IT!


Time Dialation is also UTTER BS! It is the SECOND possible answer to the Equation that has TWO possible answers: One is Right and the other is WRONG. Time Dialation is the WRONG ANSWER!


Ribbit


I guess you told me, huh? Man, I've wasted YEARS with my work then.
Your belief in theory without proof is so strong, there's no way it couldn't be right!



Proof is already happening almost everyday and U have wasted U'r life believing that which is WRONG. But hey, U always dew that.


U are kNot keeping up with everything the telescopes are finding, that defy all theories. Galaxies with little mass but huge center black holes, small black holes that erupt on cue, etc....

U bought U'r trUth butt U R who U R 4 a reason.


Ribbit



posted on Feb, 5 2012 @ 02:08 AM
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Originally posted by SoulVisions

Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

Originally posted by Noncompatible
 


Do you consider dark matter and energy as "good" science? If so, then the expansion may not indeed be slowing but quite the reverse.
Be careful what you "know", what we "know" changes regularly.



Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation (CMBR's) has ZERO to dew with the Growth of the Universe and the Big Bang Theory is BS. The CMBR's are residual radiation left behind from our Galaxy's Light Bubble, which came from our Galaxy's BIRTH 14 to 15 billion earth years ago.
There is kNot ONe singularity at the center of galaxies, there are TWO and they are back-to-back and are directional, which means only one side is open to this spatial verse and the other side is open to the spatial verse above/below this one.

Galaxies are born one-at-a-time and the Universe, in it's CURRENT form, is a googolplex squared to a googolplex squared to a googolplex earth years old and there are approximately 250 trillion galaxies, with new ones born each and every earth day. NASA found a Galactic Egg-Timer.


Ribbit


I've not seen anyone debate this. Still, in all respects, it is a theory as well. Your "knowledge" is all over the place.


U have no clue how "all over the place" eYe truly IS.


Ribbit



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