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Where's Your Space-Time?

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posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 04:36 PM
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You keep assuming everything you say is right, Toad, yet you provide no proof that you ARE right.

Stop ASSUMING you are right, stop dacing around the bush, and PROVE what you are saying.

PROVE YOUR THEORIES!

All you're doing is giving everyone a headache by talking pig-latin logical fallacy out your rear end...

Please, make some sense so I can respond.




posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 04:46 PM
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Originally posted by SoulVisions

Originally posted by hudsonhawk69
it's my understanding that space time doesn't exist. Tesla debunked the idea of space time and was running sucessful experiments under a unified field theory at a time when einstein was only just formulating quantum physics.


Unified field theory, yes & no.
Einstein's laws, yes & no.
Simply because his laws do not work well when trying to compute non-terrestrial algorithms.
It could be postulated that that unified theory is accurate in matters of space, and Einstein's when under/around/or on a constant source of gravity (ex: on the ground).

Space time doesn't exist? It might not be that so much as it just being an issue of relative frame. Just ask those guys that recently "punched a hole" in time...

It's interesting that I was just U2U'ing something in regards to this very subject. We have known how to attain harmonic couplings between two scatter plots in space. but without the tech to use it just yet, it's done nothing but sit.



Sorry! But they did kNot punch a hole in Time! Here's the article:

gizmodo.com...

The did nothing more than cloak an "event" from the magnetic forces surrounding the event, for Space & Time cannot be shielded from anything.
Science is way off in left-field and they don't realize WE ain't playing baseball, WE's playing Chess


Time permeates All!


Ribbit



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posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 04:48 PM
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Originally posted by Starchild23
You keep assuming everything you say is right, Toad, yet you provide no proof that you ARE right.

Stop ASSUMING you are right, stop dacing around the bush, and PROVE what you are saying.

PROVE YOUR THEORIES!

All you're doing is giving everyone a headache by talking pig-latin logical fallacy out your rear end...

Please, make some sense so I can respond.


I keep proving them Mathematically butt you are mathematically inept, sew yew remain ignorant.


Ribbit



posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 04:53 PM
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I'm sorry, are you saying "numbers matter" (as in they are important) or "numbers are matter"? I feel like you said "numbers matter" twice and I just don't get it.

At any rate, numbers are just metaphorical place holders for the human conceptual system. They are codified and not at all natural. I mean sure, in theory, the universe (what or whoever that would be) could acknowledge 7,320,564,109 people on the planet Earth, but the actual counting of people is left up to our own cognitive actions. True numbers, logarithms, are all around you, but I still wouldn't call them matter.

I guess I'm not getting the question, honestly. Time does not exist. Time is perceptual. The present-time is all that exists. We only perceive time subjectively (we get old, others around us die/get born, history books/stories about our great-great-grandparents, houses collapse, mountains erode, glaciation happens, plate tectonics happen, etc, etc.). There is no actual thing going on.

We just use metaphorical spatial concepts to relate to this human-conjured phenomenon (before...as in behind as opposed to moving forward, ahead and after the next obstacle).

Many languages outside of English do not even conjugate verbs to reflect time. They are more concerned with aspect (completed or left incomplete) and veracity/"anecdotal-ness" (did you actually see it happen, or did some guy tell you).



posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 04:54 PM
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Where's Your Space-Time?

My Space-Time is always The future



posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 04:54 PM
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Originally posted by Plotus
Well, events happen in linear time at points of linear time, thus we as humans form a 'memory' or timeline. And for a moment occupy that timeline........ what was the question again?


Exactly!


Butt what happens when our "person" experiences those finite moments in Time repeatedly, over-and-over-and-over, butt kNot via memory, in actual Present Time?




Ribbit



posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 05:04 PM
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Originally posted by Erno86
reply to post by chr0naut
 


Space-time should be relative to the speed of the faster than light speed starship that you are in. Since the other-worlder's have already visited our planet in starship's, it almost has to be a given that they have broken the speed of light barrier; quantum fold.

Light photon's can only travel up to the speed of light. But a photon engined magnetically shielded starship is not a light photon. The starship is like a mini-black hole in motion. On the starship.... a photon projector is focused on some distant star in the general direction that you want your starship to go. Propulsion is generated in the process of sucking in light photon's and spewing them out till you reach the speed of light barrier. The speed of light barrier is broken as the starship increases speed when it starts sucking in light photon's at a rate of slightly faster than the speed of light.

The speed of the starship increases speed, to many times the speed of light, in a geometric sequence that is squared, as the starship continues to increase speed exponentially; as it sucks an spews out light photon's at a faster and faster rate.


Cheers,

Erno86



Butt what U are missing is Time & Space are separate of one-another:

Law of Space - Time & Space (Universe) are on different planes of existence (Verses) so they are separate of one another but that which occupies Space must also occupies Time.

Time connects all, 4 whatever moment in Time it is here Now, it is that Time throughout the entire Universe and with that, U can "punch" a hole INTO Time by connecting 2 Time Portals via Time, and go from any Point "A" to and Point "B" in a finite amount of Time, because U can only occupy Time a finite moment at a time.
Dew'n that, U fold Space by traveling THRU Time.


Einstein got IT wrong butt was close.


Ribbit



posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 05:05 PM
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Originally posted by Indigo2

Originally posted by Starchild23
He doesn't mean anything. He's asking us our opinions while he has already assumed he is right, then made it so confusing we can't make heads nor tails of it, which by default renders him right in his own mind, and just makes him overly confusing in our minds.

In other words, he's making his own facts and reality and convincing us he's the one who is right...all the while quoting himself as though his words provide actual proof.

Good luck with that.



Damn you are good.
I agree


Turds of a feather flock 2gether!


Ribbit



posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 05:06 PM
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space-time is not matter ..its like a wish ..always counted from now


"We may say a thing is at rest when it has not changed its position between now and then, but there is no 'then' in 'now', so there is no being at rest. Both motion and rest, then, must necessarily occupy time." - Aristotle

memories were not counted in as the'ir the very count and as they are danse as matter itself its not to be counted so zerowing them its yer 'must do' 2

why?


Text....................... the density of matter in space is a paltry 3 x
10^(-31) kilograms per cubic centimeter. To an outside observer - if ever there
is one - the universe would be one vast wasteful void, with sprinklings of
matter here and there, somewhat like a dozen humans trekking alone here and
there on all of an earth's otherwise bleak surface. In truth, this is not a
material universe at all, but a radiant one, for its entire span is perpetually
bathed in vibrant waves. Calling this a material universe is like calling the
oceans naval water simply because there are ships floating around here and
there.

But it was not always so. In the beginning, according to the Book of
Genesis of current cosmology, its density was a fantastic and incomprehensible
10^90 kilograms per cubic centimeter.

www.siddha.com.my...
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posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 05:09 PM
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Originally posted by QueenofWeird
reply to post by ButtUglyToad
 


It's in space-time a level up, let's call it numbers' hyperspace.


What U just described is our Soul.


Sew, R WE NOthing butt a Number?


Ribbit



posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 05:13 PM
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Originally posted by chr0naut

Originally posted by Erno86
reply to post by chr0naut
 


Space-time should be relative to the speed of the faster than light speed starship that you are in. Since the other-worlder's have already visited our planet in starship's, it almost has to be a given that they have broken the speed of light barrier; quantum fold.

Light photon's can only travel up to the speed of light. But a photon engined magnetically shielded starship is not a light photon. The starship is like a mini-black hole in motion. On the starship.... a photon projector is focused on some distant star in the general direction that you want your starship to go. Propulsion is generated in the process of sucking in light photon's and spewing them out till you reach the speed of light barrier. The speed of light barrier is broken as the starship increases speed when it starts sucking in light photon's at a rate of slightly faster than the speed of light.

The speed of the starship increases speed, to many times the speed of light, in a geometric sequence that is squared, as the starship continues to increase speed exponentially; as it sucks an spews out light photon's at a faster and faster rate.


Cheers,

Erno86
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Baryonic matter (the stuff we're made of) acquires mass as you approach the speed of light. The faster you get, the harder it becomes to push you along. This is what Relativity shows us.

You are correct that a hyperluminal (many times the speed of light) spaceship would be like a black hole in motion. It would have gained mass until it collapses and becomes a gravitational singularity, which cannot be particularly comfortable.

Photons only exist at, or near, the speed of light, where they have a tiny mass. At rest, they would be mass-less. This is the reason why a battery powered torch is not a Photonic rocket. Reaction engines (Rockets) require the ejection of mass at velocity to cause acceleration. Photons really have too little mass to make effective reaction engines.

I think that to move faster than light in space-time is impossible, but it just might be possible to step outside of space-time into an already folded hyper-space, and achieve translocation through an alternate dimension.



U R way off he mark with your "massless" at rest photon statement!


A photon at "rest" is what's known as MATTER!

www.sciencedaily.com...

Matter has MASS!


Ribbit



posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 05:29 PM
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Originally posted by whatsinaname


Photons really have too little mass to make effective reaction engines.


WRONG

photons are involved in electronics aswell, which is why there is heat. either way thats all I have to say, im not interested in hearing more parroting about the speed of light because your also wrong on that too, you can slow light down in a plasma chamber, or with a semi solid object ie glass.



This applies as well:

home.comcast.net...

The Fractal Universe!


Ribbit


Ps: If light has no mass then whY does it convert to mass when it is absorbed?



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posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 05:37 PM
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Originally posted by Erno86
reply to post by chr0naut
 


But if you had some kind of outer magnetic force shield powered by a refined black hole ceramic dust plate, on the bottom hull of a flying saucer ---- Would it not.... negate the effects of heavy mass when you approach the speed of light and hyperluminal speeds.?


Thanks,

Erno86



With U'r engineering anomaly, the craft will fly the direction of the "black hole ceramic dust plate" because it would attract the positive matter to it and since the saucer is smaller, it would be drawn to the positive matter of the planet.

Ribbit



posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 06:00 PM
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Originally posted by Starchild23
I have just skimmed over the thread...

And I have come to the conclusion that this topic not only has no answer, but is pure nonsense.

Toad, go peddle your wares somewhere else unless you can prove beyond a doubt (WITHOUT quoting yourself) that what you say is true.

Otherwise, you're just "croaking".


One would think that with all of your supposed knowledge and calling everyone a fool, you might be better served educating a college class somewhere...
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...some people are indeed uncomfortable watching people...'self-gratify'...and these threads are 'self-gratification' at thier best.

If it didn't appear to be pure dribble...they might be half interesting...small parts of what is being written (outside of the coded [speak my language] patter), is correct...unfortunately, bits of string are being tied to other bits of string, and being 'absolutely' called a rope...disagree, and you are obviously an imbecile who has no idea of reality or truth or the One or 'source'...enter at your own risk...unless you you fall into the category of people who would not even 'question' the OP because of spurious and vague self-referential terms employed by the 'master'...that are as clear as mud to anyone not wanting to be inside his/her head...

'Language is a virus from outer space'...

Akushla



posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 06:02 PM
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Originally posted by Sphota
reply to post by ButtUglyToad
 


I'm sorry, are you saying "numbers matter" (as in they are important) or "numbers are matter"? I feel like you said "numbers matter" twice and I just don't get it.

At any rate, numbers are just metaphorical place holders for the human conceptual system. They are codified and not at all natural. I mean sure, in theory, the universe (what or whoever that would be) could acknowledge 7,320,564,109 people on the planet Earth, but the actual counting of people is left up to our own cognitive actions. True numbers, logarithms, are all around you, but I still wouldn't call them matter.

I guess I'm not getting the question, honestly. Time does not exist. Time is perceptual. The present-time is all that exists. We only perceive time subjectively (we get old, others around us die/get born, history books/stories about our great-great-grandparents, houses collapse, mountains erode, glaciation happens, plate tectonics happen, etc, etc.). There is no actual thing going on.

We just use metaphorical spatial concepts to relate to this human-conjured phenomenon (before...as in behind as opposed to moving forward, ahead and after the next obstacle).

Many languages outside of English do not even conjugate verbs to reflect time. They are more concerned with aspect (completed or left incomplete) and veracity/"anecdotal-ness" (did you actually see it happen, or did some guy tell you).


The reference to "Numbers matter" was the Space-Time of Numbers, kNot that Numbers are Matter!
Did U kNot notice the MISSING Verb of ARE, thus making the werd "matter" the Verb?


Did U kNot learn about Nouns & Verbs in skewl?


MATTER:

Noun: Physical substance in general, as distinct from mind and spirit; (in physics) that which occupies space and possesses rest mass.

Verb: Be of importance; have significance: "what did it matter to them?".

If U were kNot mathematically inept, U'd know that the Math Werld has assigned the Space-Time of Numbers to in-between the Numbers, where there is nothing. With the Math Werld's thinking, U dew kNot occupy Space & Time. Sew does that sound right?


Also, with assigning the Space-Time of Numbers incorrectly, the Math Werld has hidden finite and without finite, U cannot define the Universe properly, thus, whY sew many scientific theories are off in left-field.


As to U'r Present Time comment, U have repeated IT many times over and personally, I'm getting tired of hearing all of U broken records.


As 2 U'r metaphorical comment, I guess the fact there are around 250 Trillion Galaxies currently in the Universe, metaphorically doesn't MATTER?
And U saying that Time doesn't exist, required Time for U to think IT, sew you are Primordially Inert (PI) as well.


Ribbit



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posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 06:06 PM
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Originally posted by nii900



Where's Your Space-Time?

My Space-Time is always The future



The eYe of U and eYe of this U, live 2gether!


The eYe's have IT!


Ribbit


Ps: They won't get IT!
Stoopid iz what Stoopid does and humans dew stoopid better than anything else.


Pps: How long dew U think it will take the stoopid humans to notice that the symbol for Light "C" is "U" turned 90 degrees?
Sew then, what's IT take for U to become C?


Answer: CHANGE!



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posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 06:16 PM
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Originally posted by akushla99

Originally posted by Starchild23
I have just skimmed over the thread...

And I have come to the conclusion that this topic not only has no answer, but is pure nonsense.

Toad, go peddle your wares somewhere else unless you can prove beyond a doubt (WITHOUT quoting yourself) that what you say is true.

Otherwise, you're just "croaking".


One would think that with all of your supposed knowledge and calling everyone a fool, you might be better served educating a college class somewhere...



...some people are indeed uncomfortable watching people...'self-gratify'...and these threads are 'self-gratification' at thier best.

If it didn't appear to be pure dribble...they might be half interesting...small parts of what is being written (outside of the coded [speak my language] patter), is correct...unfortunately, bits of string are being tied to other bits of string, and being 'absolutely' called a rope...disagree, and you are obviously an imbecile who has no idea of reality or truth or the One or 'source'...enter at your own risk...unless you you fall into the category of people who would not even 'question' the OP because of spurious and vague self-referential terms employed by the 'master'...that are as clear as mud to anyone not wanting to be inside his/her head...

'Language is a virus from outer space'...

Akushla




Everything U/We dew is self-gratifying.
Even when U help sumOne else, U help U'r-self and when U hurt sumOne, U hurt U'r-self. Sew no MATTER what U dew, U dew IT 4 U.


I love the "'Language is a virus from outer space" comment!
Butt everything is from same Source, Source ONE/NOthing.


Ribbit



posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 06:21 PM
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What is the source/god? Is it a being in another dimension or true reality? Are we just a game like The Sims being played by the source/god? Forgive the ignorance of my questions, this is all new to me and my mind is a little blown. Thanks Toad!



posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 06:47 PM
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Originally posted by Erno86
reply to post by chr0naut
 


But if you had some kind of outer magnetic force shield powered by a refined black hole ceramic dust plate, on the bottom hull of a flying saucer ---- Would it not.... negate the effects of heavy mass when you approach the speed of light and hyperluminal speeds.?

Thanks,

Erno86


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I don't know. I have never heard of "refined black hole ceramic dust" nor am I familiar with a "magnetic force shield" powered by it.

See, I don't know everything.



posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 06:50 PM
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Originally posted by Starchild23
You keep assuming everything you say is right, Toad, yet you provide no proof that you ARE right.

Stop ASSUMING you are right, stop dacing around the bush, and PROVE what you are saying.

PROVE YOUR THEORIES!

All you're doing is giving everyone a headache by talking pig-latin logical fallacy out your rear end...

Please, make some sense so I can respond.



But even if he has a smidgen of wisdom, knowledge, insight, or information you haven't heard of that may interest you... why not lend him your mind and time, you can refute everything he says.... if you can..

but getting angry at him......... is like a monkey spazzing out at a toad in the jungle....



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