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posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 09:27 AM

Space-time should be relative to the speed of the faster than light speed starship that you are in. Since the other-worlder's have already visited our planet in starship's, it almost has to be a given that they have broken the speed of light barrier; quantum fold.

Light photon's can only travel up to the speed of light. But a photon engined magnetically shielded starship is not a light photon. The starship is like a mini-black hole in motion. On the starship.... a photon projector is focused on some distant star in the general direction that you want your starship to go. Propulsion is generated in the process of sucking in light photon's and spewing them out till you reach the speed of light barrier. The speed of light barrier is broken as the starship increases speed when it starts sucking in light photon's at a rate of slightly faster than the speed of light.

The speed of the starship increases speed, to many times the speed of light, in a geometric sequence that is squared, as the starship continues to increase speed exponentially; as it sucks an spews out light photon's at a faster and faster rate.

Cheers,

Erno86
edit on 4-2-2012 by Erno86 because: added a few words

posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 09:42 AM

Originally posted by Starchild23
He doesn't mean anything. He's asking us our opinions while he has already assumed he is right, then made it so confusing we can't make heads nor tails of it, which by default renders him right in his own mind, and just makes him overly confusing in our minds.

In other words, he's making his own facts and reality and convincing us he's the one who is right...all the while quoting himself as though his words provide actual proof.

Good luck with that.

Damn you are good.
I agree

posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 10:05 AM

You're theory would work but it would take a long time to gain momentum without some inline power source. The ship would have it's greatest speed just before the star. You would have to go outside our solar system and come back at the sun to gain speed then slingshot around it to the next star. It may take about two aditional slingshots to reach you're destination and slowing down would be necessary also. It doesn't do any good to get somewhere fast if you can't stop when you get there. I don't know if you could go past the speed of light this way, just get cl;ose to it. This ship would resemble a light beam and not be able to be seen. It would look like a pulsed lasar beam from the side or just a glow like a star from here if we were looking towards it. So the energy derived actually comes by compressing or spinning the photons as they go through. The ones coming in are greater in speed and the ones going out are greater in density creating a sort of lift towards the star? I can possibly work with that to build something to reduce gravity.

posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 10:09 AM

It's in space-time a level up, let's call it numbers' hyperspace.

posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 12:14 PM

Originally posted by Erno86

Space-time should be relative to the speed of the faster than light speed starship that you are in. Since the other-worlder's have already visited our planet in starship's, it almost has to be a given that they have broken the speed of light barrier; quantum fold.

Light photon's can only travel up to the speed of light. But a photon engined magnetically shielded starship is not a light photon. The starship is like a mini-black hole in motion. On the starship.... a photon projector is focused on some distant star in the general direction that you want your starship to go. Propulsion is generated in the process of sucking in light photon's and spewing them out till you reach the speed of light barrier. The speed of light barrier is broken as the starship increases speed when it starts sucking in light photon's at a rate of slightly faster than the speed of light.

The speed of the starship increases speed, to many times the speed of light, in a geometric sequence that is squared, as the starship continues to increase speed exponentially; as it sucks an spews out light photon's at a faster and faster rate.

Cheers,

Erno86
edit on 4-2-2012 by Erno86 because: added a few words

Baryonic matter (the stuff we're made of) acquires mass as you approach the speed of light. The faster you get, the harder it becomes to push you along. This is what Relativity shows us.

You are correct that a hyperluminal (many times the speed of light) spaceship would be like a black hole in motion. It would have gained mass until it collapses and becomes a gravitational singularity, which cannot be particularly comfortable.

Photons only exist at, or near, the speed of light, where they have a tiny mass. At rest, they would be mass-less. This is the reason why a battery powered torch is not a Photonic rocket. Reaction engines (Rockets) require the ejection of mass at velocity to cause acceleration. Photons really have too little mass to make effective reaction engines.

I think that to move faster than light in space-time is impossible, but it just might be possible to step outside of space-time into an already folded hyper-space, and achieve translocation through an alternate dimension.

posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 12:32 PM

Originally posted by chr0naut
I think that to move faster than light in space-time is impossible, but it just might be possible to step outside of space-time into an already folded hyper-space, and achieve translocation through an alternate dimension.

You are mathematically confused. Moving along a higher dimension of space does not get you ANYWHERE in ordinary space and so it could NEVER result in translocation (I think you mean teleportation) in this space. Whether or not the higher space were folded up is irrelevant. A wormhole confined to such a space would connect only different regions of the hyperspace. So it could not take you through ordinary space.

posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 12:33 PM

You've been watching a little too much Stargate SG1
We did get the communicators from Star Trek and handheld gadgets like the tricorder. "If we see it on tv it can become reality"

posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 01:02 PM

Photons really have too little mass to make effective reaction engines.

WRONG

photons are involved in electronics aswell, which is why there is heat. either way thats all I have to say, im not interested in hearing more parroting about the speed of light because your also wrong on that too, you can slow light down in a plasma chamber, or with a semi solid object ie glass.

posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 01:33 PM

Originally posted by whatsinaname

Photons really have too little mass to make effective reaction engines.

WRONG

photons are involved in electronics aswell, which is why there is heat. either way thats all I have to say, im not interested in hearing more parroting about the speed of light because your also wrong on that too, you can slow light down in a plasma chamber, or with a semi solid object ie glass.

NOT WRONG

In the video you linked, and as stated in the video, the reaction mass was superheated air, not photons.

Yes, you can slow down the apparent propagation speed of light through various media. This is different than the speed of light, which is understood to be a mathematical and physical constant.

As to photons being involved in electronics, what does that have to do with anything?

posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 01:54 PM

Originally posted by micpsi

Originally posted by chr0naut
I think that to move faster than light in space-time is impossible, but it just might be possible to step outside of space-time into an already folded hyper-space, and achieve translocation through an alternate dimension.

You are mathematically confused. Moving along a higher dimension of space does not get you ANYWHERE in ordinary space and so it could NEVER result in translocation (I think you mean teleportation) in this space. Whether or not the higher space were folded up is irrelevant. A wormhole confined to such a space would connect only different regions of the hyperspace. So it could not take you through ordinary space.

Take a piece of paper (a 2D 'world'). Put two dots on the paper a discernible distance apart. Take the piece of paper and fold it in a 3rd dimension in such a way as to touch the two dots together. You have just 'jumped' the distance between the two dots through a folded higher dimension. It is both doable and demonstrable. The same is true (mathematically and topologically) for a 3D 'world' with a folded 4th dimension or even a 10D 'world' with a folded 11th dimension.

Many theorists believe that our true reality is 11 dimensional and that we can only 'see' four of them (3 of space and one of time - space-time, the topic of this post) because the other 7 are already 'rolled-up' to a diameter of less than we can 'see', even with our best instruments. So we have 7 dimensions available for us to use for moving from one location to another!

Moving 3D objects in this way has not been done (except mathematically) and so there is no name for it that I know of. It isn't traveling or teleportation, so I called it translocation.

posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 02:56 PM

But if you had some kind of outer magnetic force shield powered by a refined black hole ceramic dust plate, on the bottom hull of a flying saucer ---- Would it not.... negate the effects of heavy mass when you approach the speed of light and hyperluminal speeds.?

Thanks,

Erno86

edit on 4-2-2012 by Erno86 because: added a couple of words

posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 03:16 PM
you skeptics are so dense, 'oh its superheated air' yea it is, why is the air superheated? cause they just hit it with a massively powerful laser...

done here.

ed: photons in electronics was my way of trying to explain heat and light are interconnected as any real photographer will tell you but you just do not get it.
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posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 03:22 PM

Originally posted by SceoticalSam
Time really fascinates me, its something (I think) thats way beyond our comprehension. Einsteins laws state time is directly related to the speed an object travels at- in that case what we understand as a "second" happens by pure chance..... the world rotates at Xmph and travels at Ymph around the sun, we travel around the galaxy at Zmph and the galaxy zooms around the universe at ????.....put all those together and we get our second.
.....scary stuff !

EEEEK (had to add this....so that implies if an object is actually stationary time STOPS !!

Butt Space & Time NEVER stop Moving, for Space is ever Growing and Time is forever linked with Space, sew Aristotle's quote comes into play:

"We may say a thing is at rest when it has not changed its position between now and then, but there is no 'then' in 'now', so there is no being at rest. Both motion and rest, then, must necessarily occupy time." - Aristotle

Motion and Rest must also occupy Space, sew just because an object ceases to move doesn't mean Space & Time cease to move THRU IT!
Most peeps confuse Space and atmosphere. Objects OCCUPY Space and Space occupies them, butt they DISPLACE atmosphere.

Time waits for No ONE but that's because IT is the ONE, the Nothing!

"A person starts to live when he can live outside himself." - Albert Einstein

"When the Inside is the Outside and the Outside is the Inside, then you will truly know God/Source." - Old Toad Proverb

Ribbit

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posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 03:25 PM

Originally posted by TopherWayne

Who or what operates the construct?

WE dew! The Children of God/Source, the Children of Zion. The Universe is WE's Sandbox.

Wanna play? It's fun!

Ribbit

posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 03:28 PM

Originally posted by xkillbox5000x
you seem to be implying that universe is filled with infinite discrete constructs with no continuous elements to seemingly link them. A digital system disguised as an analog system in the form of a 2 dimensional projection turned into a 3 dimensional hologram

Ever hear of WiFi?

Time = God's/WE's/Source's WiFi

"God thinks and Time happens." - Old Toad Proverb

Ribbit

posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 03:29 PM

Originally posted by xkillbox5000x

Originally posted by andersensrm

Turned inside out, blown apart, thrown back in time to 1955 where it gets into the DeLorean with Doc Brown and speeds up to 88 mph changing it back into a 3 dimensional hologram that breaks down into a 2 dimensional projection in the form of a analog system disguised by a digital system.

All jokes aside, perception is the only thing that governs our reality,but what exists beyond that perception?

The Physical Reality, the trUth!

Ribbit

posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 03:33 PM

Originally posted by hudsonhawk69
it's my understanding that space time doesn't exist. Tesla debunked the idea of space time and was running sucessful experiments under a unified field theory at a time when einstein was only just formulating quantum physics.

Most of what Einstein POSTULATED was and is wrong.

As to the Unified/Uniform Field Theory, expect to see an insurgence in that area shortly.

Ribbit

posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 03:37 PM

Originally posted by ImaFungi

space time doesnt really exist to a blissfully ignorant sentient being.....

if space and time spin and swirl in a universe and everyones around but no one really cares, does it even matter?

When Eternity is the Calendar, Nothing Matters!

Butt don't 4get, NoThing IS SumThing.

Ribbit

posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 04:11 PM

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
Could this moment of reality be called a 'thing' or a number? This moment right now is not a number or a 'thing', it is no-thing and from this no-thing we get every thing.
Can you step 2 seconds into the past or future or are past and future just words arising now.
Only words appearing make humans believe there is more than this - whatever 'this' is.

In the begininng was the word, before the word there was.... nothing. Words are not the 'thing', words are words. Words begat language and language became ideas and concepts, which make us humans believe that there is something, something outside our experience.
Experience is the real and words and language are descriptions, abstractions, narration of what we 'think' is going on. The 'thinking' mind never knows what is going on but it second guesses. By the 'time' the mind works it out it is gone. The sensing and knowing is happening presently but the mind can only work with imagined past and imagined future.

Nothing is happening right now and it looks and feels like this.

In the beginning was the Werd and the Werd IS ONE!

Before the Werd, there was Nothing and Nothing still IS, 4 everything came from the Nothing, including the ONE but 4 the Nothing to know ITself, the ONE had to happen for without the ONE, Nothing cannot know IT is Nothing without SumThing else for reference, the ONE.

> -Infinite > -1 > -finite 0 +finite < +1 < +Infinite <

Everything comes from Nothing, 4 Nothing links ALL, and the old saying of as above, sew below, is about Inversion (X).

Butt Nothing is kNot all there IS and the Equation of U'r Now Philosophy IS:

U Live Nothing U Dew Nothing U Be Nothing.

Because the Nothing that links All, what U call the Now, cannot link All If all there is, is Nothing, for the U of U cannot exist IN the Nothing for more than a finite amount of Time, then IT will spit U out.

U-R-I = yoU aRe Idiot

And 4 those I've confused, Nothing IS Time, 4 Time is what links All as ONE.

Time is NOthing!

Ribbit

posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 04:29 PM

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
This moment is not a place in 'time'.
We name this 'place' of seeing here and now, when really seeing is happening.
Appearances can only appear if there is a seer and knower of the appearance.
Where you are present, when you are present appearances can appear, you are what it lands on.
You can never leave 'here and now'. You are always 'here and now'.
You are the space in which all appearances appear.

I have a hyperthetical Question for U Now.

In Logics, U can have givens, regardless if they defy physics or kNot, sew please answer the following Question with the givens provided:

Given:

U'r Soul was born and lives and resides in the Spatial Verse above/below this Spatial Verse 4ever and is Connected 2 U'r person Telekinetically, via Time, since Time is the result of Thought of the Collective Consciousness of the Universe/God/Source and U'r Soul shares that SINGLE Consciousness as ONE with the Universe/God/Source and Time links All.

Question:

How can the Now be all there is, if U are in Two places, Two Points in Time & Space, at the same Time?

First, U have to answer the Question as IT is presented, then U can argue its merits.

Ribbit

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