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MSNBC: Israel will Attack Iran as soon as April 2012.

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posted on Feb, 3 2012 @ 10:23 AM
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since when has Iran been a dictatorship country..there president can only run for two terms ...check your facts before posting pro Israelite dribble




posted on Feb, 3 2012 @ 10:29 AM
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Undoubtedly because it's being directed that way by the power barons.



posted on Feb, 3 2012 @ 10:34 AM
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Originally posted by jjf3rd77l dramatically shift the power from Israel in the Middle East to Iran,
We are trying to stabilize the region, not thrust it further into dictatorship and third world status.

Sounds like a book I read.

"war is peace"



posted on Feb, 3 2012 @ 10:39 AM
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Originally posted by jjf3rd77
sensationalist anti-american propaganda at best. If this were the case we'd be attacking a bit more countries in the middle east during bush/obama years.

Since you asked .....
The plan was to watlz through Iraq and continue straight through to Iran, then through Iran.
They got bogged down in Iraq.

To quote Bush "I'm a war president"



posted on Feb, 3 2012 @ 10:39 AM
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I think he confused dictatorship with theocracy.

In any case, Iran is not a democracy. Not when woman can't go out after sundown with their male chaperone, not when elections are fixed etc.

Ironic that anti-israel supporters are supporting a country that they would never want to live in. If given the choice between Israel - the country of their contempt - and Iran, they would undoubtedly choose Israel. Especially if they were given a quick tour of each country and got to know what life was truly like there.

For a Muslim man, Iran is fine. For a westerner bred on egalitarian values and knowing of real liberty, Iran would feel like a dictatorship, inasmuch as freedoms known in America and the west are unknown in Iran.

Again, I would like to point out the very simple antediluvian fact that women in Iran are not allowed to go out after sundown without a male accompanying them.

Anti-Zionists need to get their priorities in order.



posted on Feb, 3 2012 @ 10:46 AM
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Originally posted by dontreally

Again, I would like to point out the very simple antediluvian fact that women in Iran are not allowed to go out after sundown without a male accompanying them.


Thats their culture .

You can bomb the crap outta them, destroy their cities whatever.

What few women who are left, will still need a escort after dark.



posted on Feb, 3 2012 @ 10:49 AM
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Again, I would like to point out the very simple antediluvian fact that women in Iran are not allowed to go out after sundown without a male accompanying them


you have to respect other peoples cultures ..this does not give Israel the right to bomb Iran and kill thousands of innocent women and children .......

Article 114
The President is elected for a four-year term by the direct vote of the people. His re-election for a successive term is permissible only once.

Article 20
All citizens of the country, both men and women, equally enjoy the protection of the law and enjoy all human, political, economic, social, and cultural rights, in conformity with Islamic criteria.

Article 21
The government must ensure the rights of women in all respects, in conformity with Islamic criteria, and accomplish the following goals:
edit on 06/-06004/2011 by sitchin because: spelling sucs :/



posted on Feb, 3 2012 @ 10:53 AM
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Originally posted by dontreally
reply to post by sitchin
 


I think he confused dictatorship with theocracy.

In any case, Iran is not a democracy. Not when woman can't go out after sundown with their male chaperone, not when elections are fixed etc.

Ironic that anti-israel supporters are supporting a country that they would never want to live in. If given the choice between Israel - the country of their contempt - and Iran, they would undoubtedly choose Israel. Especially if they were given a quick tour of each country and got to know what life was truly like there.

For a Muslim man, Iran is fine. For a westerner bred on egalitarian values and knowing of real liberty, Iran would feel like a dictatorship, inasmuch as freedoms known in America and the west are unknown in Iran.

Again, I would like to point out the very simple antediluvian fact that women in Iran are not allowed to go out after sundown without a male accompanying them.

Anti-Zionists need to get their priorities in order.


Yeah, that's exactly how I feel, the Anti-israel people are always on about the wars and the so-called american propaganda, whereas its 100X worse in Iran than it is even for the Palestinians where Irsrael has been fighting stupid little clashes with them ever since their creation! I'm not saying Palestine is better than Israel or vice versa, if we start to pick who is a better nation, then we are no better than TPTB. Iran is littered with pages of Anti-American and anti western propaganda which is worse when fueled with religious literalism. Iran is a sad place and I would prefer to have them wiped off the map entirely! (Call me a warmonger if you must) But if they control the oil (which the sanctions were a stupid idea) and if they control Nuclear Power in the region, you bet that there will be some consequences Iran feel fit to deal with their enemies. US standing idly by doesn't work well, especially when other countries are just as nationalistic and hateful!

Especially when we have the strongest military in the world, which people complain about. Wake up and smell the roses!
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posted on Feb, 3 2012 @ 11:03 AM
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Iran don't want war ..they are plenty of people in the UK who are anti american ,anti Israel ..its called free speech ...Iran have every right to defend them selves using conventional or nuclear weapons..regardless what the USA or little Israel say



posted on Feb, 3 2012 @ 11:10 AM
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Originally posted by jjf3rd77
Yeah, that's exactly how I feel, the Anti-israel people are always on about the wars and the so-called american propaganda,
. Iran is a sad place and I would prefer to have them wiped off the map entirely! (Call me a warmonger if you must)

(first line of quote) Always on about stopping wars, ya, we are sad.

(second line of quote) Your not a warmonger, your just a sicko
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posted on Feb, 3 2012 @ 11:13 AM
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you have to respect other peoples cultures ..this does not give Israel the right to bomb Iran and kill thousands of innocent women and children .......


Bombing select areas suspected of being nuclear facilities is not 'killing hundreds of thousands of women and children".

And mind you, if Israel ends up taking this route, it'll be they, Israelis, who will be dealing with killed civilians, when Hezbollah in the north and Hamas in the south retaliate.

While I understand the threat Iran poses for Israel, I'm reticent whether the threat is worth the repercussion.




The President is elected for a four-year term by the direct vote of the people. His re-election for a successive term is permissible only once.


Iran's elections are rigged. It doesn't matter who runs, the religious party will always win. Do you really think the Ayotollah will cede power? Give a secular government the opportunity to undo everything that's been done in the country since '79? Of course not. Theocracy and Democracy are a conflict of terms. There 'elections', and parliamentary procedure is a kangaroo process designed to keep the ruling power in place while giving the people and the western world in particular the idea of a 'free country'.

Just think about it. This is basic political science 101. The ruling power, which has ruled for 33 years, will not lose an election. Only popular revolution, the same way as they were put in power, will take them out of power.




in conformity with Islamic criteria.


That's right. The preceding clauses in each of those articles, as in the Quran, is nullified by the following clause. In accordance with Islamic criteria. What is a "right", in Islam - which means 'submission'?
Think about it! How hilarious is it to see both those terms side by side. A right is something inalienable. It is something determined by human reason. A right modified by Islamic criteria is no longer a right in the classical sense understood by western philosophy. It is just Islamic law that calls those areas permissible to Muslims 'rights'.

Again, a woman in Iran must wear the Hijab - so clearly no right to freedom of expression. Such a 'right', as the Ayatollah Khomeini pointed out long ago, doesn't exist in Islam. A woman can't go out without a male chaperone...

I'm not saying Muslims don't have the right to live according to Shari'a. In fact, I wholeheartedly support the right of any people to govern themselves as they see fit. Just don't call such a system 'democratic'. It confuses the picture, conflating it with western concepts of democracy.

The fact remains, you and almost everyone else who hates Israel, would prefer to live in Israel, if faced with a choice to choose between them and Iran.
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posted on Feb, 3 2012 @ 11:37 AM
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Article 13
Zoroastrian, Jewish, and Christian Iranians are the only recognized religious minorities, who, within the limits of the law, are free to perform their religious rites and ceremonies, and to act according to their own canon in matters of personal affairs and religious education.



posted on Feb, 3 2012 @ 11:40 AM
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Iran's elections are rigged.


any prove of this..or you speaking dribble again



posted on Feb, 3 2012 @ 11:52 AM
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type into google 'iran election rigged'.

This was in the news just 2-3 years ago.



posted on Feb, 3 2012 @ 11:59 AM
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you argument is flawed ..the USA ,UK, Italy,are christian countries..most governments have a religious core ..what they believe in has no consequence on why they are persecuted on their laws and customs...it does not give anyone the right to declare on a country because of their beliefs ..if that's the road your going down...



posted on Feb, 3 2012 @ 12:29 PM
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OP, I must respectfully disagree. We didn't help the protesters in Iran in 2009.
This administration for whatever reason, wants this regime in power.

There will be harsh language, tough talk, but no war.

In my humble opinion, that is.



posted on Feb, 3 2012 @ 01:30 PM
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My argument isn't flawed..

Ultimately, the issue here is Iran's nuclear program and it's bellicose stance towards Israel. An Israeli attack on it's nuclear facilities isn't 'imperialism', although you seem to be understanding it as that. No. It is a response to a perceived threat. Whether this threat is as real as Israels government claims it is, or only somewhat, is debatable, but the threat itself exists, and that is indisputable.

Iran ALREADY funds Israels enemies, Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas in Gaza. So why shouldn't Iran's pursuit of nuclear energy be interpreted as a pursuit of a nuclear weapon? Which could then be used as political leverage against Israel.

So, we return to the base and encounter a political issue at the heart of it all. Does Israel have a right to prevent Iran from 'leveling' the playing field, even though, Iran intends to use that leverage to destabilize Israel with the ultimate aim to see the destruction of the 'zionist regime'? Of course not.

If Iran were a democratic government, this issue wouldn't exist. Israel would be forsaken because America would have no reason to support her; but since Israel is the only bastion of democracy in the middle east, to stave off the rush of Islamism in the middle east, America throws in her lot with Israel.

So, at the end of the day, do you support Democracy or Islamism? People who haven't read a book of political philosophy or science in their life are apt to reply "Leave them alone", or some other libertarian trite that only makes sense in theory, but not in fact. If America leaves the middle east she leaves it open to influences that threaten the ideals America stands for.

Libertarians may be willing to play 'non-intervention', but Islamists, Communists etc, do not. They aren't stupid, in other words.



posted on Feb, 3 2012 @ 01:34 PM
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that is incredibly optimistic of you to think.



posted on Feb, 3 2012 @ 01:47 PM
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Originally posted by dontreally
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that is incredibly optimistic of you to think.


I think of it as pragmatic.



posted on Feb, 3 2012 @ 01:47 PM
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Originally posted by dontreally

that is incredibly optimistic of you to think.

I'm still with you sir.
Iraqi nuke plant
Syrian nuke plant
Iranian nuke plants.... to be announced.



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