Argentinians protest arrival of Prince Williams on Malvinas

Argentina is a hate group. It should be closed down and banned.

reply to post by mr-lizard
Oh dont get me started on the French, De Gaulle especially one of the most ungrateful men in history no wonder Churchill bollocked him when he was in hiding in London.In De Gaulles eyes the French never got defeated and they single handedly drove out the Germans and pigs fly

This dispute works in the favour of both the British and Argentian government. The people of both countries will be distracted from economic stagnation, suffering and turmoil as well as increased authoritarian government repression. Instead they will be at each others throats.

So what ?
this is about as relevant protesting Obama visiting Hawaii.... its NONE of their business, they have ZERO claim on anything. The people of the Falklands want to be governed by the UK and thats the end of the matter.
Remember freedom and democracy ?.... any more crap on this and the US should be invading them!

Damn imperialists, although I do like what they say before they go to war "FOR THE QUEEEEEEN!!!"

Originally posted by SceoticalSam
So what ?
this is about as relevant protesting Obama visiting Hawaii.... its NONE of their business, they have ZERO claim on anything. The people of the Falklands want to be governed by the UK and thats the end of the matter.
Remember freedom and democracy ?.... any more crap on this and the US should be invading them!

That may be true, but I question the timing of Will's visit. I believe this was done purposely to aggravate the Argentinians and start a war, possibly create another front in a world war.

If this was just "average Joe Brit", nothing would have been made of it. But no, they had to send the high profile prince, and plaster it all over front-page news.

Funny how everyone is fighting in this thread like they are actually gonna do something. If it came down to the citizens of America and Britain fighting and the armies stayed on the sidelines, America would win hands-down. We are desensitized to violence and armed to the hilt with GUNS. What can the British do but bring a knife to a gun fight? Aside from that let's look at what happened.... the people of the Falklands may have been vocally against Prince William, but he was never attacked. They took out a bank. Isn't this the MAIN issue of the day? All this infighting between citizens (of whatever country) is just icing on the cake for TPTB. We are all brothers and sisters on this planet... remember the real enemies. Peace.

I have a bad feeling about the entire situation.

Morf991

Guess what......... England is Imperialistic.

Guess what: England makes me proud! Its population has created more important inventions, per capita, than any other country. I am one of its people, and I am loyal to our people –no matter how at times I may disagree with government policies.

And I would most certainly head over to Argentina to help them if another war erupts against "the British".

And I look forward to joining the MOD (or designing weapons for the government) in the knowledge that those munitions would kill you, and kill people like you. You absolutely deserve it, you oppose democracy for a Western English speaking, and English loving, Falkland island population, and that in my view should carry the death penalty.

I happen to also have a low opinion of our involvement OF America’s military industrial complex wars in Afghanistan, and Iraq, and always predicted that Libya would turn into chaos (at least for the people who live there). I think it’s poor loyalty to a staunch ally that Obama seems neutral about Britain’s continued sovereignty of the islands. But then he is one of America’s most left wing, as well as most incompetent presidents.

Yet I would honestly join the military to fight for our Falklands, because (even though I have never been to it, and have had no intention) I fully ideologically support the right to self-determination for the majority of people who live there. These are my country men, and their territory is an oil rich asset, (which for once) rightfully belongs to Great Britain.

Quotes like this make me pissed. Have you ever been in Argentina? Do you even know were that is?

I know it’s somewhere that needs to do two things: Accept the will of the of a democracy that is as English speaking & thinking, as the people of London.
Or be destroyed. I will hate any British government that does night fight indefinitely with assassination, and munitions, to regain the Falklands.
I know where Argentina is, I just regret that (centuries ago) my ancestors didn’t make it an English speaking, respectful of democracy & existing sovereignty places, like America, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, today.

oh lord i cant belive it theres so much ignorance , hate , violence in this thread...
what can i say here is just a little.
i know Argentina the UK and several nations. i've lived my last 15 years in Argi as i called it, now im living in the UK.
I cant understand why people in the uk hates them so much(Arg) i mean here in the uk everybody talks about violence...starting a new war sending more troops etc...as far as i could see ,talk, discuss etc... in Argentina everyone is talking(refering to the falk/malvi) as going by a more diplomatic way...nobody talks about invading them , the military, or hating islanders... that said lets be a bit more "pacific".There are no chances of going to war... with arg becouse they dont want it and never did. the people and their representatives back in the 80 werent the same people.


Also...i 've been reading a wikipedia
these 2 links( the years got my attention)

en.wikipedia.org...

en.wikipedia.org...

ii dont know how to say it but everone else in this thread has ignore that the falklands started as a French colony in 1764 then ceded to Spain in 1767.Sovereignty of the islands was transferred to Argentina from Spain upon independence(1810).
them ass it says in the Nootka Sound Convention between Spain and the UK in 1790
"Article VI provided that neither party would form new establishments on any of the islands adjacent to the east and west coasts of South America then occupied by Spain. Both retained the right to land and erect temporary structures on the coasts and islands for fishery-related purposes."

so if the british got there in 1765.ANY Sovereignty is indeed bull#

keep calm and lets discuss this in peace*

let me know if you think something is wrong .
DM

Pd:sorry about my engrish*

What is with all the British worship in this thread. Just to set the record straight a number of people were saying the British are the biggest mass murderers of all time. Nobody mentioned the dozens upon dozens of countries the British invaded from Africa to the middle east and on through the US. They killed millions upon millions of Africans, millions upon millions of Muslims in the middle east, and millions upon millions of Native Americans.. Is that "on the list" the England humpers were talking about?

reply to post by Liberal1984


Well sir.... In regards to your Opinion of America.....

You don't see Puerto Rico rising up against their American Imperialist Oppressors...



Also, while we are on the subject.. I hear the Virgin Islands are really nice this time of year.. Warm sandy beaches, pristine view of the ocean and most importantly not an uprising to be found.

Im from argentina, and i can tell you those guys who were protesting against prince williams arrivals, are a bunch of assholes who have nothing better to do. its a radical group that tends to protest pretty much about anything.

Unfortunately, our goverment doesnt care much for social order.
On the other hand, this conflict is being used by our goverment to cover up some economic issues we are going through, its a nationalist and populist goverment that uses all sort of things to keep the masses entertained.

Oh and i would just like to say that to me, the malvinas are just islands, they are not english nor argentinias, they are just islands. its just a piece of land for gods sake.
These brits got there first, they have a bigger army, well i guess thats too bad for us.

reply to post by payta


That's one of the sanest posts I've ever seen on ATS. Kudos to you, sir / madam.

The right of the people who live on the islands to maintain self-determination is inalienable. If I step back and try and see it from the perspective of people in Argentina it does look like an anomaly — yet only on a map, not when you look at the population.

Or do democratic rights only start when a population reaches a certain size?

reply to post by JakiusFogg


AYE AYE,

HMS Ardent (Bombed by A4Q Skyhawks & Sunk)
HMS Antelope (Bombed by A4B Skyhawks & Sunk)
HMS Coventry (Bombed by A4B Skyhawks & Sunk)
HMS Fearless (Bombed by A4B Skyhawks & Sunk)
HMS Sheffield (Exocet attack & Sunk)
SS. Atlantic Conveyor (Exocet attack & Sunk)
RFA Sir Galahad (Bombed by A4B Skyhawks & Sunk)

Looks like BP needs to get their hand in their pocket........

PEACE,
RK

Originally posted by Silk

Mrs Thatcher promised to do exactly that (Nuke Argetina) if the French did not give the destruct codes to the exocet missiles

The source?

There is only one.

A 2005 book written by the psychoanalysis of President Mitterrand of France who wants us to believe that Mitterrand shared this titbit, during the height of the Falklands war, with his psychoanalysis.

No doubt it helped to generate publicity for a book that would otherwise have been largely ignored, while Mitterrand died in 1995, so he was in no position to deny the accusations.

The Guardian

France, according to the British Minister of Defence, in reality was perhaps the UK's best ally during the Falklands war.

FRANCE was Britain's greatest ally during the Falklands war, providing secret information to enable MI6 agents to sabotage Exocet missiles which were desperately sought by Argentina, according to Sir John Nott, who was Defence Secretary during the conflict.

Although Lady Thatcher clashed with President Mitterrand over the future direction of Europe, he immediately came to her aid after Argentine forces invaded the Falklands in April 1982.

How France helped us win Falklands war, by John Nott

Originally posted by payta
Oh and i would just like to say that to me, the malvinas are just islands, they are not english nor argentinias, they are just islands. its just a piece of land for gods sake.

You are mistaken. The Falklands are British and have been for almost 200 years.

Originally posted by payta
These brits got there first, they have a bigger army, well i guess thats too bad for us.

The British got there before Argentina even existed.

reply to post by randomname

The Monroe doctrine, 1823, essentially said the US would not allow any NEW colonization in the western hemisphere nor interference with existing countries. In 1870 it was amended to forbid the TRANSFER of a colony to another country. I do not know if any of this would apply to the Falklands. Given the hisroeic hypocrisy of US foreign policy, in my opinion it matters not at all.

I have read that the reason Roosevelt gave to Congress for our entry into WW2 Europe was the Monroe. Denmark ruled Greenland (western hemi) and when Germany defeated Denmark they claimed Greenland, a forbidden transfer.

Originally posted by L00kingGlass

Originally posted by SceoticalSam
So what ?
this is about as relevant protesting Obama visiting Hawaii.... its NONE of their business, they have ZERO claim on anything. The people of the Falklands want to be governed by the UK and thats the end of the matter.
Remember freedom and democracy ?.... any more crap on this and the US should be invading them!

That may be true, but I question the timing of Will's visit. I believe this was done purposely to aggravate the Argentinians and start a war, possibly create another front in a world war.

If this was just "average Joe Brit", nothing would have been made of it. But no, they had to send the high profile prince, and plaster it all over front-page news.

edit on 3-2-2012 by L00kingGlass because: (no reason given)

This is all due to an Argentinian government desperate to create a fuss and thus distract from their fiscal incompetence.

The royal in question is a Search and Rescue pilot. The Falklands is regarded as a crap posting and everybody has to take their turn at it. If he doesn't have to take his turn its overt favouritism. Therefore he has to go. Sadly, being who he is everything he does is front page news.

All the heat and fury from this issue is coming from Argentina. Perhaps they are going to take a suicidal run at the islands again but I doubt it.

reply to post by ollncasino


Can you supply the date and form (treaty?) of the Spanish renouncing their claim?