Hunting Nazis: Anonymous snares Ron Paul in Operation Blitzkrieg

So I guess ANON is a USG org after all....

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Absolutely love the post Electric. Took the words right out of my mouth. I'd say 99.9% of the RP supporters here don't even realize what he'd like to do if he was president.... Ahhhh to be young again.

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Then it must be a coincidence that he'd like to repeal Civil Rights then. But I'm sure you already knew that.

reply to post by NoJoker13


For anyone looking to educate themselves on Mr. Paul take a look at this site: www.addictinginfo.org...

16 real quotes that I'm sure he'd like to whip off the face of the earth... Till he became president then he'd bring them all up again.

Originally posted by Xcalibur254


Well it looks like ATS' two media darlings have finally found themselves on opposing sides. So, who will people side with. Will it be perennial presidential favorite Ron Paul or the "hacktivists" that stand for truth and justice over at Anonymous?

As I have stated many times in the past I like Ron Paul. However, as more time goes on it looks like he had more knowledge of those newsletters than he is letting on and this just adds more fuel to the fire. I've also never particularly been a fan of Anonymous and their methods. I've always thought that they're more in it for the lols than some kind of moral imperative, but that doesn't mean they don't achieve results.

So, what is the ATS collective's view on this potentially explosive issue?

www.examiner.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

go to paste-bin and if there isnt an announcement. then it wasn't Anon and it's some BS way of trying to get at Ron Paul. And even if he was a racist I would still vote for him just on his point-of-views. I doubt this has anything to do with him though. 90% sure that its an attempt to make him look bad by TPTB

Originally posted by NoJoker13
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For anyone looking to educate themselves on Mr. Paul take a look at this site: www.addictinginfo.org...

16 real quotes that I'm sure he'd like to whip off the face of the earth... Till he became president then he'd bring them all up again.

and you sir are apparently not a RP supporter. All of those quotes are true? Especially the one about how to government was formed (quote 1). it WAS formed on the Religious Values of the founding fathers. So all you did was just send us a article with good quotes from RP. Thanks

reply to post by Avianan


Here you go:

A3P Hacked

Originally posted by Monger
reply to post by imawlinn

 

Before you blindly dismiss it, why not scratch the surface a little bit?

www.care2.com...

www.nazi-leaks.info...

In another passage, Kelso, a former Scientologist and account owner of other German Nazi forums, wrote: “I’ll be at CPAC from Feb. 9 to Feb. 12. I’ll send back reports to you from personal meetings with Ron Paul, newly-elected Senator Rand Paul and many others. It’ll be here on WhiteNewsNow, a place that is really starting to get interesting because of the presence of folks like you. Birds of a feather flock together, and we are really gathering some quality here.”

Read more: www.care2.com...

So this is what the big fuss is about? Obviously this Kelso guy is smoking crack, because Ron Paul is not even going to be at CPAC and has had no plans on attending for months now. So if the big fuss about Ron Paul being racist is that this white supremacist Kelso guy said in a hacked message that he will be having a private meeting with Ron Paul at CPAC, this whole thing smells of being a setup to bring Ron Paul down. SINCE HE WON'T EVEN BE THERE AT CPAC. So that means Kelso is lying.

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That message was referring to last year, not this year. It's ones like these that I find to be most interesting:

Subject: You've got an admirer in Imbar
Date: Nov Mon 2009
To: Alexander Hamilton ([email protected])
From: Jamie Kelso ([email protected])
Text:
Hello Alexander, Hey, great posting. Imbar just called me and he likes your
stuff too. Imbar is Ron Paul's #2 man in Illinois. Owns his own manufacturing
company. Young guy like you. Jeff (Imbar) and I have been buddies for years. We
met up with Ron Paul in Ames, Iowa in Aug. 2007. Nice work, Jamie

reply to post by Xcalibur254


well damn. idk i still doubt it for some reason. seems too fishy. As i clearly stated though, im not changing my vote though. His political values are still magnificent and could change a lot of this country. (although i disagree with him on his view of abortion)

Originally posted by NoJoker13
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For anyone looking to educate themselves on Mr. Paul take a look at this site: www.addictinginfo.org...

16 real quotes that I'm sure he'd like to whip off the face of the earth... Till he became president then he'd bring them all up again.

My personal views on the points.

1 & 2

I'm agnostic but I don't care that Ron Paul is christian and believes in the churches. Every single president we've had so far has been a christian, and it's never hurt us before.

3. “Having federal officials, whether judges, bureaucrats, or congressmen, impose a new definition of marriage on the people is an act of social engineering profoundly hostile to liberty.”
~Ron Paul, criticizing the LGBT community for seeking the same rights straight couples have.

I agree. Like Ron Paul, I don't think the federal government should have any jurisdiction over marriage at all. Remove it from being a legal practice, and make it just a ceremonial practice. For people like me and my girlfriend that are anti-marriage, why should we not be afford the same rights from the government that married couples are? Ti's stupid. Under Ron Paul's plan, LGBT's would be able to get married. It just wouldn't be a legal union recognized by the government, just like it wouldn't be for everyone else.

4. “You don’t have a right to a house, you don’t have a right to a job, you don’t have a right to medical care.”
~Ron Paul, saying that Americans have no right to have jobs and health care.

Absolutely right! It's not a right, it's something that's earned. It's called going out and doing things for yourself, not being lazy. And we wonder why the economy sucks and unemployment is high... everyone is LAZY. Just like my stepson that does nothing all day but play video games.

5. “It would help the poor people who need jobs. Minimum wage is a mandate. We’re against mandates so why should we have it? It would be very beneficial.”

Agreed. Minimum wage is stupid. It forces companies to carefully select who they hire and keep. People are fired left and right for no reason from jobs. And we wonder why unemployment is so high? Keep in mind I'm a business owner and if minimum wage was abolished, I'd pay my employees MORE because I know the economy would be STRONGER.

6. “Technically, they [Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid] are. . . . there’s no authority [in the Constitution]. Article I, Section 8 doesn’t say I can set up an insurance program for people. What part of the Constitution are you getting it from? The liberals are the ones who use this General Welfare Clause. . . . That is such an extreme liberal viewpoint that has been mistaught in our schools for so long and that’s what we have to reverse—that very notion that you’re presenting. And the Constitution and the courts said slavery was legal to, and we had to reverse that.”
~Ron Paul, saying he would get rid of Medicare, Social Security, and Medicaid during a GOP Presidential Debate.

Again, I agree, sorry. All of these programs just take our money from us, inflate it, and then redistribute it back to us at a lower value. It's like the federal government stealing your truck, crashing it, and towing it back to you. Here's it back! It's quality government insurance!

Would be much more better to stop being lazy, save money for ourselves to pay for these things.

7. “All rights are individuals. We do not get our rights because we belong to a group. Whether it’s homosexuals, women, minorities, it leads us astray. You don’t get your rights belonging to your group. A group can’t force themselves on anybody else. So there should be no affirmative action for any group.”

~Ron Paul, saying he’s against affirmative action.

Haha. So this article I'm quoting is a joke. Good source, poster who posted it. It ignores the first 5 sentences, and uses the last sentence to say "Ron Paul is against affirmative action." like it's a bad thing. It's a GOOD THING imo, because Ron Paul is saying EVERYONE deserves right, because they are INDIVIDUALS and we have INDIVIDUAL FREEDOMS, not because we belong to a group. If everyone believed this, there wouldn't NEED to be affirmative action!

8. “The concept of equal pay for equal work is not only an impossible task, it can only be accomplished with the total rejection of the idea of the voluntary contract. The idea that a businessman must hire anyone and is prevented from firing anyone for any reason he chooses, and in the name of rights, is a clear indication that the basic concept of a free society has been lost.”
~Ron Paul, opposing equal pay for women.

Don't know how they discerned that this one meant he opposes equal pay for women, but OK. Let's put that aside.

I totally agree with him. Businesses shouldn't be told who they have to hire!! WTF! And we wonder why the economy is so bad. Haha. Government comes in and says you have to hire bad workers who make your company suck, because they are a certain sex or skin color. This is stupid.

It's ok, all the liberals will be reaping what they sow when the next great depression hits next year. When gas is $12.00/gallon, no one has a job, and you can only afford to eat bread and drink water. Wonder who will get blamed for that one?

9. “I think the current policy is a decent policy.”
~Ron Paul, supporting DADT

Agreed. DADT basically meant gays can serve in the military, just don't go around promoting being gay. What's wrong with that? There's a time and place for everything, but save your gay pride for a parade, not while defending the country. FWIW I support gays being able to serve.

10. “If it were written the same way, where the federal government’s taken over property–it has nothing to do with race relations. It has nothing to do with racism, it has to do with the Constitution and private property rights.”
~Ron Paul, saying that he would vote against the Civil Rights Act if it were to come before Congress today.

Eh, I'd vote against it too. The civil rights act opened the door for the government to control and monitor everything we do. Equality should have been achieved the diplomatic way and accepted gradually, not the government force feeding it down everyone's throats. Then, race would not have been an issue anymore, at all.

11. “I call it “nationalism without a whimper,” and the corporate business community is begging for it. The nationalization of industry, while retaining private ownership in name only, is just another word for fascism.”
~Ron Paul, saying that the auto industry shouldn’t have been saved, even though it worked and saved millions of jobs.

Agreed. It shouldn't have been bailed out. Why are they special? My company wouldn't get bailed out if it was struggling. What makes mine less important? That it has less employees? See, liberals always deride capitalism, but see we don't even have true capitalism anymore. If we did, government wouldn't be coming in and bailing out private companies they see fit. Liberals support this, yet most of them believe in evolution (i do too.) But evolution teaches of survival of the fittest. Hmm, irony.

12. “Yes, but not overnight. As a matter of fact, my program’s the only one that is going to be able to take care of the elderly. I’d like to get the young people out of it, just the younger generation.”
~Ron Paul, after being asked if he favors abolishing Social Security.

Hell yeah! Social security sucks. Take my money away from me again forcibly, inflate it making it worthless, then give it to everyone else. That's a great idea! Why not just let people save up for retirement themselves, like they used to? Oh wait, that was before social security came and killed the economy, making it impossible to do this on your own.

13. “As a Congressman, I’ve never voted for any budget that includes funding for Planned Parenthood. Instead, I’ve introduced the Taxpayers’ Freedom of Conscience Act to cut off all taxpayer funding of abortions, so-called “family planning” services and international abortionists.”
~Ron Paul, saying he would abolish Planned Parenthood this ending vital medical services provided to women.

Why should my money be taken from me so someone else can go get an abortion? Seriously. Again it's illogical. If the government didn't take the money from you in the first place, you could have used the money yourself to go get the damn abortion. But the money gets taken from you, inflated, and is less valuable. BTW I believe it should be a right to have an abortion. I just don't think other people should be forced to pay for yours.

14. “A state can decide. We don’t need somebody in Washington. I live on the gulf coast, we deal with hurricanes all the time. The local people rebuild the city. Built a sea wall and they survived without FEMA. We should be like 1900, we should be like 1940, 1950, 1960.”
~Ron Paul, advocating the abolition of FEMA just before Hurricane Irene struck the east coast and caused major damage, requiring FEMA to help out.

Yeah, same FEMA that is building prison camps around the country, again wasting money. Would be more efficient to have a private company to come rebuild after a natural disaster, at least you know they wouldn't waste the money and the same amount of money would go farther...

15. “Yes, because there’s no authority to do this, and just think of all this willingness to want to help every student get a college education. So they’re a trillion dollars in debt, we don’t have any jobs for them, the quality of education has gone down, so it’s a failed program. I went to school when we had none of those. I could work my way through college and medical school because it wasn’t so expensive. So when you run up debt, you print money, costs go up in the areas that the government gets involved in: education, medical care, and housing. So it’s artificial and distorts the economy.”
~Ron Paul, admitting that he wants to abolish federal student loans that millions of students wouldn’t be able to go to college without.

I went to college, did it on my own without a federal student loan. I had a job, and didn't waste my money, simple concept. I will admit, in today's economy, I would have trouble doing that, if I were in the same situation. But that's a result of a government that's too big and wastes too much money, doing things like this. The whole point of electing a small-government conservative like Ron Paul is, if you don't have a huge wasteful government and a broke economy, you won't need so many aid programs, because everyone will be able to afford things for themselves again. How does that saying go? Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.

End result of big government and a bad economy, you have people that can't afford anything on their own, so they need to amass debt with student loans to go to college, but once they get out they figure out they can't get jobs anyway because the economy sucks, so now they are $50,000 in debt with student loans and pay $400 / month back to the government for it, with no job to boot. GREAT SYSTEM!

16. “The freer the market is and the more respect you have for private property, the better the environment is protected.”
~Ron Paul, stating that we should allow people and corporations to pollute all they want, any way they want to and somehow, the free market will stop it.

Don't know how they got that from the quote. But if private property was respected, people would not be able to pollute others' land. But because it's not, it happens. Friend of mine was told by the government that he had to allow power lines going through his property. They chopped down hundreds of trees in the process, killing lot of animals and destroying plants needed for food for animals. Yeah, that's great for the environment right there!

If I wanted to, I could find any tenuous connection in anything and make it seem like there's more. So someone mentioned Ron Paul in an email. OH NOES.

I once spent money to go see a Mel Gibson directed movie. Mel Gibson has done some bad things in his life. Therefore, my making him a few cents out of the ticket price shows that I AM IN FULL SUPPORT of his anti-Semitic drunk ramblings.

I met a porn star at the playboy mansion once. Why was I there? You might as well decide for me. You simply don't know and can easily invent any multitude of reasons why.

How about this one: I did not vote for Barack Obama during 2008's presidential election. You can automatically assume I must have voted for his competition and I'm a hardcore republican!

I just ate a chocolate bar. I really enjoyed that chocolate bar. Maybe I really enjoy the exploitation of young child workers that harvested the coco beans that helped make that chocolate reach my mouth just moments ago. But you simply don't know.

I post on Abovetopsecret.com! You know who else posted once on Abovetopsecret.com? One Jared Lee Loughner, the man who almost shot Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords to death. I guess I'm going to go buy a firearm for nefarious purposes now.

Let's go back to the top. Someone mentioned Ron Paul in an email. This someone has ties to neo-Nazism (or doesn't), therefore Ron Paul must also have ties to neo-Nazism (or not).

Hey everyone, here's some grade A educational content from the absolute best source of information in the world: Logical Fallacies

Things are not always what they seem. Or maybe they are. Key word being maybe. Because I said so. HENCE, it must be TRUE!

reply to post by NoJoker13

Then it must be a coincidence that he'd like to repeal Civil Rights then. But I'm sure you already knew that.

I don't think we ever need to worry about any of the good doctors policies being implemented because he'll never be President. They won't alow it.

I do like how Ron Paul tells it how it is. He sees the system for what it is and he calls them out on it. He recognises that the system is out of control and needs to be reset. He's not bought.

I don't like a lot of the solutions he has for various problems either. I think many of his solutions are too drastic to have a positive effect and ultimately as president, he would never have the power to make his vision a reality.

My hope is that Ron Paul inspires others inside and outside the system to fight for a more honest political system.

What you Americans need to do to start to fix things in your nation is take the money out of politics. How? You force your law makers to make lobbying illegal. Force them to put a cap on an individuals monetary contributions and out law corporate contributions. If you could do that, it would do a world of good for your political system. That and abandon the silly two party system in favor of a multi party system.

reply to post by NoJoker13


He's not going to. He just said he wouldn't have voted in favor of it. He isn't going to try to repeal something that would be impossible to repeal, because he isn't stupid enough to waste the time and money.

If YOU did your research you would see that his reasoning behind his decision is entirely sound and completely logical. He actually convinced me on that. It's not that he wouldn't vote in favor of civil rights (that is where people like you try to use shallow thought to manipulate others into thinking he is racist or against civil rights). He wouldn't vote for a civil rights act that took away rights of civilians. So, just because he said he wouldn't have voted for that civil rights act doesn't mean he wouldn't have voted for another one.

Also, it's just absurd to think this man is a racist. He considers Rosa Parks and MLK heroes and has the support of the NAACP president. He wants to end the drug war (which is, in a sense, a war on the poor and minorities). It's just stupid to really consider it.. there is a reason they don't attack him with this kind of b.s. at debates.. it's because they know it's not true.

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It would be a coincidence, if he wanted to repeal it. He just said he wouldn't have voted for it. Do you know why he wouldn't have voted for it, because I can explain it for you, or are you just talking.

reply to post by TheOneElectric


Yup. Still supporting Ron Paul, even if the information was true (which I doubt). I can claim to be Annonymous and I can claim to ''hack'' a site and steal information revealing President Obama enjoys watching midgets riding painted hippopotamuses. Does that make it true? I could even fabricate official documents, I have the skills to photoshop him in a picture with the suspected midgets and hippo. Everyone who tries going after Ron Paul always aims at Racism .. because it's a knee jerk reaction topic that no one would want to defend. Try a new line of assault. Ohh that's right ... there is nothing.

Forgive me for not trusting a bunch of thieving scum bags. (anonymous)

Give a little truth , give a little lie , give a little truth and give a big truth , through in a little lie. I could careless what they do. They are liars , cheaters , and thiefs. I hope most of the people involved with Anom go to prison.

Ron Paul is to weak on his foreign policy. He does not have my vote - he is weak when standing against other nations.

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Anyone else find it Ironic that anonymous is trying to do the gotcha campaign while breaking the law themsleves in the process?

Secondly, for a group who is hell bent on freedoms, they certainly dont exercise that view with the Nazi crap. So apparently the group that crusades against government censorship is in fact attempting to silence / censor people they dont agree with.

ironic yet not surprising....