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Obama: My Policies Are An Extension Of My Faith... Religion In Government?

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posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 05:26 PM
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Blending politics and religion, President Barack Obama said his Christian faith is a driving force behind his economic policies, from Wall Street reform to his calls for the wealthy to pay higher taxes.

"I have fallen on my knees with great regularity since that moment, asking God for guidance not just in my personal life and my Christian walk, but in the life of this nation and in the values that hold us together and keep us strong," he said.

Speaking to more than 3,000 people at the annual breakfast, Obama said "faith and values" should play as much as role in tackling the nation's challenges as sound decision-making and smart policies.


Now don't get me wrong, I believe every person has the right to follow whatever religion they believe in...

But where I have a problem... Is where the president starts using his religion to drive his governmental decisions...

For all the love religion spreads... It spreads just as much hate too... Not to mention just plain bad policies (You don't really think we are leaving Israel to support themselves do you?)

And what the hell does religion have to do with the economy? Tithing? Nothing in the bible tells you how to employ the lower class of America...

Our founding fathers are shaking their heads in disgust at what this beautiful county has become...




posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 05:31 PM
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Let's get this out of the way......

"Obama is a socialist muslim who's sharia way of thinking is what's behind his horrible policies."

Ok, now seriously I think religion and government is a bad mix. Which set of rules are we supposed to follow...religion or constitution?

What a mess.
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posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 05:35 PM
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I totally agree. When you start to bring religion into government you open a Pandoras box. The simple fact is, this country is comprised by many of different religions. Religious beliefs are better suited for houses of worship and not houses of government.

We need to stick to the basic premise of trying to love one another and knowing basic moral conduct. Religion does not need to teach us that stealing or lying is wrong. As humans we need to use our brains and realize that religion at its core is a great idea, but it cannot govern us as a nation. What a country, a citizen, or a community needs are entirely different from what a religious leader wants or thinks we need. Too many conflicting ideas. Reality changes over time. Religion doesn't.



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 05:36 PM
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Originally posted by YouAreLiedTo
But where I have a problem... Is where the president starts using his religion to drive his governmental decisions...


Oh, don't worry. Obama's campaigning.


Nothing in the bible tells you how to employ the lower class of America...


It talks quite a bit about helping the poor, though. He's campaigning. Really.



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 05:40 PM
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God Bless America.

Nope, no religion there.



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 05:42 PM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
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Originally posted by YouAreLiedTo
But where I have a problem... Is where the president starts using his religion to drive his governmental decisions...


Oh, don't worry. Obama's campaigning.


Nothing in the bible tells you how to employ the lower class of America...


It talks quite a bit about helping the poor, though. He's campaigning. Really.


Nah, you are right...

It's perfectly fine for our standing president to admit something that is against the law of the US... Seperation of church and state and all...

We are worried about which candidates get donated the most money... And the person already in office is flipping you off and you don't care...

I used to have such faith (pun intended) that this generation would be the one to take this country back to the greatness it once was... I digress...



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 05:48 PM
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Originally posted by YouAreLiedTo
It's perfectly fine for our standing president to admit something that is against the law of the US... Seperation of church and state and all...


What law?



And the person already in office is flipping you off and you don't care...


Excuse me? Obama's flipping me off?




I used to have such faith (pun intended) that this generation would be the one to take this country back to the greatness it once was...


What generation is that?



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 05:58 PM
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He's simply trying to get votes. It's that time again..

Of course he's going to say ridiculous things. That's how he won last time.
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posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 06:01 PM
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I remember that last potus who got slammed at every turn and crucified for his faith but hey since its Obama no big deal nothing to see here.

Bunch of hypocrites..



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 06:01 PM
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Obama practices marxism not Christianity. If he believes that God is a Marxist I suppose he could fall on his knees and pray to his Marxist god....



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 06:02 PM
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Benevolent Hero: What law?


The phrase was quoted by the United States Supreme Court first in 1878, and then in a series of cases starting in 1947.[8] The phrase "separation of church and state" itself does not appear in the United States Constitution. The First Amendment states that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." The Supreme Court did not consider the question of how this applied to the states until 1947; when they did, in Everson v. Board of Education, all nine justices agreed that there was a wall of separation between church and state...


Precedent = Law...

And the fact the constitution says "shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..."

Means that we will make no law against a religion...

And that we will make no law based on religion... Which is what Obama has stated he has been doing...

He's giving this entire country the finger...
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posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 06:05 PM
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Christians do not broker arms deals with mexican drug-lords and provide them with weapons to murder people with and you can bet your last dollar that Obama knew all about it, you don't end up the president of one of the most powerful nations on the planet and not have any knowledge of these things.

This guy is doing what any politician does when he is campaigning, he is playing the crowd like any con-artist selling bottles of turpentine as a cure-all.



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 06:16 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
I remember that last potus who got slammed at every turn and crucified for his faith but hey since its Obama no big deal nothing to see here.

Bunch of hypocrites..


I think what he's saying is pretty dumb but at least he's not claiming that god told him to kill Osama and invade Afghanistan.

Also, to be fair, the GOP gave him a hard time for his lack of spiritual expression a couple of years back and accused him of being a Muslim (as if that's a crime). Maybe he's just trying to compensate ahead of time?



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 06:19 PM
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Everyone who sits in political office is going to use their religious beliefs as a guide. But much like Bush before him the President has made an error in assuming his values are at all in line with Christianity. Out of the possible candidates the only one that even comes close to a principled Christian is Dr. Paul. The rest are war mongering money changers, that see the common man suffering and don't care. The only questions that one has to ask to figure out if his actions are in accordance with his beliefs are, "Why are the people that flushed the economy in the toilet not in jail?" "Why have we done nothing to stop the fleecing of the middle class?" "Why are we still bombing Afghanistan?" "Why are financial regulations not put back to where they were when we know that they worked?"

Maybe he has wanted to answer these in accordance to his beliefs, maybe the Congress would have obstructed it. And if that is the case I want to know why were you not out among the people explaining it? Seriously three years hiding in the White House wasn't going to change anything. And pretty much any poll that comes out, when he is addressing the issues and things he would like to get done garner lots of favorability on both sides.

I don't have an issue with people using their faith as their moral guide, but at least when you are going to say it please make sure your policies at least somewhat line up with the doctrine you supposedly follow.



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 06:20 PM
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Being fair is holding the current potus to the same standards of criticism of the last one haven't seen too much of that.



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 06:32 PM
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I don't know the source of your quote but for many, my self included my spirituality is closely linked with my behavior. I have no problem with moral direction coming from a religious or spiritual (as in stuff greater then me) perspective. However using ones religious views to shove them down the throats of the rest of us, no way. The GOP has been on an ideological crusade to affect what consenting adults do, including same sex marriage, or tell a women what she can do with her body. The whole abortion issue is another major issue, and covered in other posts, but I am deeply offended by those who seem to know the mind of God, let alone believe it should have influence on government. So far I have seen none of this with Obama. And I admire his honesty in stated his personal convictions&the source of same.

By the way the Catholic church is having its usual hissy fit in this case having to offer birth control and abortion service's in their hospital's. I would be willing to consider some way to not have them deal with the abortion issue but does anyone honestly think if they would provide the name of a non-catholic provider or even discuss other options? There is a simple way to deal with this issue.

If the Catholic church is so offended by having to follow the laws other medical facilities have to then fine. Just don't accept any public money, medicaid or medicare if you don't want to offer certain services. I would insist on a board or sign that as people enter clearly say what they will not do, for any ideological point of view. There was a time when black people were not "served" in some southern hospitals. It was a blatant violation of civil rights, and I view religious dogma as having no place in what government or those who take "our" tax money do.

And I have seen nothing the current administration has said or done to force the Presidents religious views into how government operates. Believe me, I would be the first one to scream about this which is one reason the current Republican crop of candidates with the exception that I know of with Ron Paul, so infuriates me. Thats just one issue of many...



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 06:34 PM
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Its only non acceptable if you are George Bush, or any other president ....

If you are Obama its ok, because youre just "campaining" nevermind that you are the current president...

See you have to understand, that there is a double standard........

Just like its ok for Obama to take all the military actions hes taken, and the NDAA and SOPA and all the other things thats gone on under this administration.........

Because hes doesnt have an R behind his name



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 06:36 PM
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Or maybe he is just stating that he looks to morality and values as a leader!
Good grief, people...!! What is wrong with that?

If I were World Queen, I would ALWAYS be looking to my sense of what is right and what is wrong in order to make decisions. Even if I were in Jamie Dimon's position (heaven forbid), or Mitt Romney's (again, please no), I'd be looking at what is the RIGHT THING TO DO? I do it as a humble person being every waking day of my life....
and if everyone else did, it would be a better world.

So he worded it in a 'religious' sort of vocabulary. Big deal. Does he actually do what his conscience tells him? I doubt it. Because he's a tool, with very limited power.

Should we not ALL look to our sense of what is right and what is wrong? The psychopath capitalist greed monsters and war-mongers and croney lawmakers do NOT....

Am I pro-Obama? NOT
Am I pro corruption? NOT

Is it okay with me if a leader is looking to his conscience to try to make decisions based on what is right and what is wrong?
He damned well BETTER BE! And now you all are going to crucify him for saying he seeks guidance?

And it's not Obama, nor Mormon Romney ("I'm not concerned with the very poor"), nor Gingrich (sleaze supreme) who deserve to be the President....NONE OF THEM are capable of living up to the demands of the job. (As if they can...the shadow government is calling all the shots, and anyone who does NOT see this yet is being deliberately led down the garden path).
But if ANYONE on Capitol Hill is using their better judgment to look after the benefit of all, I'm all for THAT.

Ugghhh. The hypocrisy and hatred swirling us all down the toilet has reached its final glug.



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posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 06:38 PM
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Originally posted by arbiture
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I don't know the source of your quote but for many, my self included my spirituality is closely linked with my behavior. I have no problem with moral direction coming from a religious or spiritual (as in stuff greater then me) perspective. However using ones religious views to shove them down the throats of the rest of us, no way. The GOP has been on an ideological crusade to affect what consenting adults do, including same sex marriage, or tell a women what she can do with her body. The whole abortion issue is another major issue, and covered in other posts, but I am deeply offended by those who seem to know the mind of God, let alone believe it should have influence on government. So far I have seen none of this with Obama. And I admire his honesty in stated his personal convictions&the source of same.

By the way the Catholic church is having its usual hissy fit in this case having to offer birth control and abortion service's in their hospital's. I would be willing to consider some way to not have them deal with the abortion issue but does anyone honestly think if they would provide the name of a non-catholic provider or even discuss other options? There is a simple way to deal with this issue.

If the Catholic church is so offended by having to follow the laws other medical facilities have to then fine. Just don't accept any public money, medicaid or medicare if you don't want to offer certain services. I would insist on a board or sign that as people enter clearly say what they will not do, for any ideological point of view. There was a time when black people were not "served" in some southern hospitals. It was a blatant violation of civil rights, and I view religious dogma as having no place in what government or those who take "our" tax money do.

And I have seen nothing the current administration has said or done to force the Presidents religious views into how government operates. Believe me, I would be the first one to scream about this which is one reason the current Republican crop of candidates with the exception that I know of with Ron Paul, so infuriates me. Thats just one issue of many...



I got the quote straight from Obama on ABC. There is even a video at the site linked.



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 08:52 PM
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Thank you for mentioning that source. I appreciate that because its easier to back-track the actual recording of the comments and any commentary made by a source, like ABC News. But I do stand by my general view on Obama saying what he did in the context it was, stated at a faith conference. To assume by any way shape or form that he is trying to "inject religion"into government as I stated has no logical context. I believe it takes courage for someone to claim any religious or spiritual views as influencing ones life. And someone like the President, who has so many who hate him, one has to wonder. Can we all say "anyone but Obama agenda"?




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