Education system primary to prof what should it look like.

If you took as the education systems primary goal to achieve it's other goals in as little time as possible what would people think it should be like? Obviously this depends on the other goals and I think these would probably be quite individual. I do wonder however, what would be the quickest way to get someone to produce their own research in any chosen subject? I suppose breadth is important to some people more than others. I suppose a ventral assumption would be that all areas would take the same length of time. In the past and still there are professors having no doctorate and so that could probably go. Obviously the system would have to be geared are most people: some would need very little time at all.

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after trying to understand your post i think i understand what you are going after

each level of education should find what that pupil is good at and push them that way as theres no point teaching a car mechanic poetry as a required subject but still ensuring that they have a firm grasp of the basics as if you cant add up you might lose money on the bill so really education is a pyramid of knowledge

Sorry for not making it clearer. I suppose that if someone could achieve their greatest level of knowledge and achievement in as little time as possible that would be the way. Maybe if research or use of knowledge was at every stage of the learning process it could be shortened.

If time is the pressing concern, whatever happened to hypnopedia? Don't we have some modern drugs that would speed things up as well?

My fear is that knowledge would be gained quickly at the expense of understanding.

Originally posted by Maxatoria
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after trying to understand your post i think i understand what you are going after

each level of education should find what that pupil is good at and push them that way as theres no point teaching a car mechanic poetry as a required subject but still ensuring that they have a firm grasp of the basics as if you cant add up you might lose money on the bill so really education is a pyramid of knowledge

I agree not all children have the natural aptitude to be a physicist, or geologist, etc. after the child exhibits a favouritism towards a certain subject or skill set that child should have a detailed course laid out for him, and another type of education for another, say mechanical or engineering talents, etc... It seems to me that introducing a type of martial art for P.E. would also promote self discipline, confidence as well as mental Focus.

Let the kids be who they are and help them build towards their own future not destroy it.!!

What is a new degree system could be created that brought people from just starting university to phd level in 4 years, would it be brought in? It seems to me that people who moved up under the present system may dislike it and resist even if proved possible.

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Specialist education?

As in not concentrating so much on a broad knowledge that would help when you're a contestant on Jeopardy, but specialized classes tailored to a career field, the military does this with some success as most of the vital information is drilled in on the job and with experience. We all know the saying about how you don't use much of the stuff you learn in school, why not just drop all that for the individuals who don't need it. It doesn't make any sense to pay for something that is ultimately useless. Seems like it would require a complete overhaul of the education system, but IMHO it is needed anyways.

I think I agree with you if you are trying to say education is far too drawn out and pointless at many times. Not saying any knowledge is pointless entirely, but you shouldn't be spending money teaching a dog to meow. Also, kicking all the idiots out who don't want to do anything other than get drunk, high and laid might help.

You know you can study and pass clep (sp?) tests if you have the conviction to do that, I hear they are difficult though if you retain information easily then that might be the way to go.

It would say it depends on the ultimate point of the education system in said country. Is the aim to attempt the creation of citizens with minds worthy of consultation in a democratic process or is the aim to create workers, of some description ( be they mechanics, agricultural, engineers or researchers), to fuel the engines of industry and private profit? Will you attempt the inculcation of individual interest as motive power for society or will a pursuit of collective interest result in the best living standards for society?

Is it more important to research something efficiently or to 'inefficiently' educate children along broad&general lines so that they may decided what research is worthy of a lifetime of dedicated study?

Stellar

I see your thinking I personally would say whatever the discipline, vocational or otherwise I think it should be looked into if it can be made shorter. It just seems to me that people have a finite life and so if more coud be achieved educationally in less time then that would be good. Oe study suggested that the iq of people who succeed in getting a phd is the same as those who drop out of one. This is just one study but maybe that could be a way to shorten education. That could remove 3-6 years depending where in the world you go to university.

Originally posted by s12345
I see your thinking I personally would say whatever the discipline, vocational or otherwise I think it should be looked into if it can be made shorter.

I absolutely believe that it can be made shorter but that is not a reform that will come from the state/industry as they are pushing for the exact opposite for reasons that should be more obvious than it seems to be.

It just seems to me that people have a finite life and so if more coud be achieved educationally in less time then that would be good. Oe study suggested that the iq of people who succeed in getting a phd is the same as those who drop out of one. This is just one study but maybe that could be a way to shorten education.

But does industry or our national state entities really want us better educated or skilled? Why is the amount of time we spend in formal schooling increasing when we know from home schooling and critical studies that individual schooling, or smaller groups can yield similar academic results in two thirds or even half the time? Why are we being kept in school so long or for that matter why are we working more hours per year and more productively so for a smaller return than we did in the 70's?

That could remove 3-6 years depending where in the world you go to university.

And how would industry absorb all these new workers when most countries already have problems with low employment rates? Clearly industry does not need more workers so does it not follow that it makes sense to keep us in school longer and apply more and more selective pressure to make the type of workers they feel will best serve their needs?

Stellar

I suppose the main problem with shorter degrees, would be less money for universities. It also means that people who study as a hobby would be able to master many subjects within their lifetime, whereas a longer structure takes them out of the race: as most will be part time: for longer so that if they do become a lecturer they are not able to be promoted as they have less time left in their lives. I dare say universities would feel ill at ease, with lots of part time mature students with terminal degrees in various subjects.