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Originally posted by Christosterone
reply to post by Hanslune
Hanslune....thank you for participating in my op..
You are clearly very bright and thorough...
It is because of people like you that i come on this site..
Star(s) for you!!!
Originally posted by curious7
reply to post by Christosterone
American schools may be Eurocentric but we in England were never taught much about South America except for the optional Geography classes (we had three years compulsory learning the basics and the last two years we had to choose either Geography or History and I went with the latter with lessons on WW2 and JFK's assassination while a friend studied Macha Piccu in the Geography class).
Originally posted by Christosterone
Atlantis to me seems fairly obvious as to what Plato may have been referring to.
Lets look at Plato's description:
Firstly, he described it as being located on a CONTINENT to the west of the Straits of Gibraltar (pillars of Hercules)...
There are 2 things we can take from this....
1) A continent once located in the Atlantic disappeared because Poseidon got mad
2) Plato is referring to an existing, non-disappearing continent(s) lying west of Spain....
Lets look at a map and see if there are any unknown(at the time of Plato) continents west of Spain...
Corn, potatoes and tomatoes were introduced into Europe after Columbus or at least tomatoes of the red variety. (Europe used to grow purple plum tomatoes which grow wild in high altitudes all over Europe. The red variety come from America. Europe used to eat the parsnip until potatoes were introduced after Columbus).
Originally posted by Klimhazard
I know of two different locations for Atlantis in two different ages. The first Atlantis of about 100 000 years ago was in the Atlantic ocean and it consisted of 2 adjacent largish landmasses (north and south). It sunk a few thousand years after it was first populated. The 2nd Atlantis rose about 40 000 years ago and was in the Caribbean joing existing Islands together into one triangular landmass. Both were populated by the white race initially but as their influence spread around the world they attracted other races who immigrated into the Atlantean cities slowly.
Originally posted by MapMistress
No. Plato (a Greek) never said anything about the Strait of Gibraltor nor Spain.
And he named them all; the eldest, who was the first king, he named Atlas, and after him the whole island and the ocean were called Atlantic. To his twin brother, who was born after him, and obtained as his lot the extremity of the island towards the Pillars of Heracles, facing the country which is now called the region of Gades in that part of the world, he gave the name which in the Hellenic language is Eumelus, in the language of the country which is named after him, Gadeirus.
The city was originally founded as Gadir (Phoenician גדר "walled city") by the Phoenicians, who used it in their trade with Tartessos, a city-state believed by archaeologists to be somewhere near the mouth of the Guadalquivir River, about thirty kilometres northwest of Cadiz. (Its exact location has never been firmly established.)
Cadiz is the most ancient city still standing in Western Europe. Traditionally, its founding is dated to 1104 BC although no archaeological strata on the site can be dated earlier than the 9th century BC. One resolution for this discrepancy has been to assume that Gadir was merely a small seasonal trading post in its earliest days.
Later, the Greeks knew the city as Gadira or Gadeira. According to Greek legend, Gadir was founded by Hercules after performing his fabled tenth labor, the slaying of Geryon, a monstrous warrior-titan with three heads and three torsos joined to a single pair of legs. As early as the 3rd century, a tumulus (a large earthen mound) near Cádiz was associated with Geryon's final resting-place.
One of the city's notable features during antiquity was the temple dedicated to the Phoenician god Melqart. (Melqart was associated with Hercules by the Greeks.) According to the Life of Apollonius of Tyana, the temple was still standing during the 1st century. Some historians, based in part on this source, believe that the columns of this temple were the origin of the myth of the pillars of Hercules.
...the city fell to Roman forces under Scipio Africanus. The people of Cadiz welcomed the victors. Under the Romans, the city's Greek name was modified to Gades; it flourished as a Roman naval base.
Originally posted by MapMistressBecause Plato maintained that the sunken island lay "beyond the Pillars of Heracles" and those Pillars used to be on the island of Rhodes, the entry way to the Aegean Sea.
...for this sea which is within the Straits of Heracles is only a harbour, having a narrow entrance, but that other is a real sea,
Originally posted by MapMistressAtlas was the son of Poseidon. Atlas was the name of the sunken island in the Greek language. But the British in the 1800s altered the Greek and called the island "Atlantis", rather than Atlas.
Originally posted by MapMistressAnd besides the rest of Plato's story talks about how the island of Atlas founded the city of Athens (the capitol of Greece) but that the island group became corrupt.
He replied:-In the Egyptian Delta, at the head of which the river Nile divides, there is a certain district which is called the district of Sais, and the great city of the district is also called Sais, and is the city from which King Amasis came. The citizens have a deity for their foundress; she is called in the Egyptian tongue Neith, and is asserted by them to be the same whom the Hellenes call Athene; they are great lovers of the Athenians, and say that they are in some way related to them.
Solon marvelled at his words, and earnestly requested the priests to inform him exactly and in order about these former citizens. You are welcome to hear about them, Solon, said the priest, both for your own sake and for that of your city, and above all, for the sake of the goddess who is the common patron and parent and educator of both our cities. She founded your city a thousand years before ours...
Originally posted by lostinau
Klimhazard, thank you for replying to my requests for more information. Many aspects of you're explanation dovetails with what some intuitives have also seen about the history of Atlantis. Can you elaborate on the chimera's in Atlantis, and how Atlantis in its most recent incarnation ended? How advanced did their technology become? Were the pyramids at Giza built before or after the last sinking of Atlantis and what role did they play? What other colonies did Atlantis possess? Thanks again for your replies.