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House GOP seeks to bar the use of welfare funds at strip clubs

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posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 01:08 PM
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An apparent loophole in the system seems to allow using those welfare "debit" cards at establishments that would not seem to be worthy of the true spirit of "welfare".

The House of representatives is introducing a proposal to somehow prohibit such behavior.

The proposal is seeking to restrict recipients of Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF).

The article does not mention the H.R. bill number.


01/31/12 09:29 PM ET -- TheHill

A bill that GOP leaders are bringing to the House floor Wednesday would require states to prevent welfare recipients from accessing or spending their benefits at strip clubs, casinos and liquor stores.....

Rep. Charles Boustany Jr. (R-La.), the chief sponsor of the strip-club loophole bill, said in an interview that the legislation was a response to press reports that recipients of benefits under the federal Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) program were using state-issued debit cards containing the funds for gambling, alcohol and adult entertainment.



Some people however disagree.

Melissa Boteach, who manages the anti-poverty campaign at the liberal Center for American Progress, said that while “nobody thinks TANF money should be spent at strip clubs or casinos,” the House GOP focus was misplaced, and the problem overstated.

“It’s a decoy,” she said of the legislation. “It’s not getting at the real issue of what’s going to address poverty.”

Boteach also noted that despite the country’s elevated unemployment and poverty levels, funding for the TANF program has remained flat for the last 15 years.
I guess She would rather see the abuse continue ?



A spokesman for the Department of Health and Human Services, which administers the TANF program, said the Obama administration has no official position on the bill.
House Republicans don’t want Uncle Sam paying for any more lap dances.



And now it looks like the legislation has passed the House.
Published February 01, 2012 -- FoxNews.com

The House passed legislation Wednesday that would prevent welfare recipients from spending money on adult entertainment, alcohol or gambling.

The bill's sponser, Rep. Charles Boustany, (R-LA), said that the measure was in response to reports that people had used welfare funds inappropriately.

The Welfare Integrity Now for Children and Families Act of 2011 is part of a package of measures that Republicans want to include in an upcoming agreement to extend the payroll tax cut over the next year.

Democrats supported the measure but criticized Republicans for not focusing on larger national problems, such as job creation.

The vote was 395 to 26.
House passes bill to ban use of welfare funds for strip clubs, casinos and alcohol




posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 01:12 PM
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They are using welfare cards at strip clubs!!!!

For crying out loud and people wonder why i am anti entitlements.

The need to be barred and kicked off welfare over 50 million Americans on welfare robbing from the rich giving to the poor and off for a lap dance!

Anyone who defends those actions well that is just sad.
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posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 01:14 PM
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I suppose it's lost on the dim bulbs on Capital Hill that a large portion of the people WORKING in Casinos and Strip Clubs qualify for and likely do recieve some or all the benefits programs like TANF provide? Heck...what does that matter though? There are stripper dollars being drawn from ATM's inside a strip club! How DARE they! Something MUST be done!


So......Those who get their benefits there because they work there or live close by and walk to the ATM which happens to be located there are S.O.L with this.....while the people actually pulling tip money will just stop at a different store on their way to spend those same dollars at the same strip club they were going to, anyway. They just use a different ATM.

Yeah... This is Government logic at work. It'd be hilarious if it didn't directly hurt so many real people.
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posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 01:15 PM
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Maybe they should just give out a certain amount of money to adults over the age of eighteen to spend at strip clubs, sort of like a booby bailout.

I live in Canada, so I wouldn't get any of this money, I'm just sayin' maybe it's a good thing that people who would not otherwise be able to afford a strippers time can in fact feel special. Man can't live on food stamps and porn on a public library computer alone.



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 01:19 PM
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I totally agree with you on this one. Welfare funds serve the specific purpose of providing basic needs for people who cannot otherwise afford them. Alcohol, stripping and gambling are not basic needs.


And the Dems are just complaining because they feel they have to bitch about everything the GOP does. I don't blame them for that, but cutting down on funds spent for superfluous activities is a good step toward bettering the Welfare system, which it desperately needs.


Originally posted by xuenchen
House Republicans don’t want Uncle Sam paying for any more lap dances.


I can't resist. The House Republicans have NO ROOM to be complaining about funds being spent on various sexual exploits... I'm CERTAIN our tax dollars have been spent on more lap dances than we would like to think. And much "worse".


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posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 01:19 PM
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Do I understand that the main objection to the GOP bill was expressed by

Melissa Boteach, who manages the anti-poverty campaign at the liberal Center for American Progress, said that while “nobody thinks TANF money should be spent at strip clubs or casinos,” the House GOP focus was misplaced, and the problem overstated.


She seems to be saying, this is an easy problem to fix quickly, everybody wants to fix it quickly, but it's not a complicated enough problem for us to be concerned about . Have I got that right? If I do, is her position a liberal one, a female one, an Obama administration one? In short, where is her idea coming from?



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 01:22 PM
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More than likely it is the result of switching to the ATM type card. They had this problem with Health Savings Account cards, where people were using them to purchase things not covered. The problem with fixing it is it puts a new expense on business because it would require them to purchase or lease new card machines. So it comes down to do we leave it as it is and let the irresponsible people do what irresponsible people do? Or drastically reduce places the money can be withdrawn from places responsible people may be withdrawing them out of simple convenience.



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 01:25 PM
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I'll say no. No more damned laws!

If they want to spend it on "nekkid wimin" and go hungry for the rest of the month, then go for it!

Idiots shouldn't be in a nudy bar anyway. Should be out looking for a job!

I'm just tired of all the new and idiotic laws! What? Do they get coupons if they pass 10 or more laws a month?



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 01:25 PM
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People are so divided politically, that they don't even recognize when they agree with their "enemy".
Her complaints make no sense. So she agrees with the idea that the funds shouldn't be spent on these things, but let's talk about something else.


I think she feels politically obligated to find fault with this restriction, JUST because it's a GOP idea. She's just "standing up to the enemy" out of habit, even though it makes no sense to do so...



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 01:25 PM
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handout money should be monitered, it shouldnt even come in cash form, it should be a gov't issued Credit card of debit card. I am anti nanny state but if i am paying taxes and its going to be helping some people then i want it to help people. my tax dollars shouldn't be lining drug dealers and strippers pockets.



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 01:27 PM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
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People are so divided politically, that they don't even recognize when they agree with their "enemy".
Her complaints make no sense. So she agrees with the idea that the funds shouldn't be spent on these things, but let's talk about something else.


I think she feels politically obligated to find fault with this restriction, JUST because it's a GOP idea. She's just "standing up to the enemy" out of habit, even though it makes no sense to do so...



obviously if these people werent in the position they are in they wouldnt be spending the money at strip clubs, thats the big issue?.......................................................really these people are imbeciles, people spend the money because it is given to them and they have no reprocussions for using it,.



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 01:32 PM
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I say strike at the root cause of these transgressions!

I propose a Constitutional Amendment that prohibits Gambling, Strip Clubs and Alcohol!!!

Who's with me?











posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 01:33 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer
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I'll say no. No more damned laws!

If they want to spend it on "nekkid wimin" and go hungry for the rest of the month, then go for it!

Idiots shouldn't be in a nudy bar anyway. Should be out looking for a job!

I'm just tired of all the new and idiotic laws! What? Do they get coupons if they pass 10 or more laws a month?


To hear even you come out with this position makes me feel downright warm and fuzzy...and I'm taken so it isn't meant that way.


It really is a matter of Government over-reach and control taken to absurd levels though, as you say. No more laws. No more bills and No more regulations...at least until the 100's of thousands we already have are reviewed and cropped by 50-75%



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 01:34 PM
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Your logic does not resemble our earth logic. I'm sorry, I don't understand your post.



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 01:35 PM
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I say no we flirted with prohibition once it doesn't work and only empowers criminals.



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 01:36 PM
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Originally posted by JacKatMtn
I say strike at the root cause of these transgressions!

I propose a Constitutional Amendment that prohibits Gambling, Strip Clubs and Alcohol!!!

Who's with me?










How do I ban a mod?



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 01:39 PM
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Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
To hear even you come out with this position makes me feel downright warm and fuzzy...and I'm taken so it isn't meant that way.


It really is a matter of Government over-reach and control taken to absurd levels though, as you say. No more laws. No more bills and No more regulations...at least until the 100's of thousands we already have are reviewed and cropped by 50-75%


I'd be willing to wager that there are laws that cancel each other out!

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posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 01:45 PM
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There are probably many places where I would agree with you. We actually need to get rid of a LOT of laws. But some laws are necessary.

It's only right (IMO) that funds from the government designed to help people with the basic needs of life, be spent on the basic needs of life. I'm not saying we should go into these people's houses to search for Twinkies or do drug testing to make sure they're clean, but if there's something to be done about people who abuse the system (and I consider this abuse of the system), without invading anyone's privacy, then I'm all for that.



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 01:49 PM
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Originally posted by JacKatMtn
I say strike at the root cause of these transgressions!

I propose a Constitutional Amendment that prohibits Gambling, Strip Clubs and Alcohol!!!

Who's with me?





I live in Las Vegas and everybody around here would disagree 100% !!

But at the same time, unemployment is super high in Las Vegas.

I would bet (in fact I know) that many of the offenders are right here



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 01:53 PM
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Originally posted by Meekbot2000
handout money should be monitered, it shouldnt even come in cash form, it should be a gov't issued Credit card of debit card. I am anti nanny state but if i am paying taxes and its going to be helping some people then i want it to help people. my tax dollars shouldn't be lining drug dealers and strippers pockets.


Many states use debit cards for food stamps and welfare.

All people do is sell the items that are controlled.

There's always a way to get around restrictions.

I see this all the time where I live.



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