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Immigrants 'must add to quality of life in Britain'

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posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 12:12 PM
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Immigrants 'must add to quality of life in Britain'


www.bbc.co.uk

Britain does not need more "middle managers" or unskilled labour and those who settle could have to command a salary of more than £31,000.

Ahead of his speech, Mr Green told BBC Radio Kent he wanted "to be much more intelligently selective about who we let come here", and that anyone individual seeking permanent settlement should be able to command a salary of between £31,000 and £49,000.

Chief executive Habib Rahman said: "One might argue that this government has it in for poor people who fall in love with anyone who's not resident in the UK."
(visit the link for the full news article)




posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 12:12 PM
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This is discrimination....

This is controlling who can and who can't live a free life by the size of their bank accounts.
Having "no workable proposals" is not an excuse.

This is on par with needing a license to have a child. On par with seggregating one member of society from another.

The damaging part is the need to have a minimum income. The recommended level is 18,600 to 25,700 GBP.

But, this level is nothing in comparison to the 31,000 to 49,000 that Mr. Green would like it to be.

He said;

Mr Green told BBC Radio Kent he wanted "to be much more intelligently selective about who we let come here", and that anyone individual seeking permanent settlement should be able to command a salary of between £31,000 and £49,000.


"intelligently selective ".... ????

This is not second world war Nazi Germany testing the intelligence of Romany people and Jews...this is England in the year 2012....

He goes on to say;

We need to know that you're not going to be living off benefits from day one of arriving here.


Rather, you need to know they've got money and only those with it can benefit from government policies.

If immigration is so much of a problem, don't penalise those with less money! Don't dictate your ideals and choose only the "intelligent" ones...

Just stop people coming in full stop!!!!

It's simple.. reduce the numbers overall. Close the borders. Take those who can actually speak English good enough to learn a trade etc... Those willing to learn the language should be given a chance...

I could have several million pounds and bring in somebody who cannot speak a word of English..

This is a touchy subject and difficult to discuss. What makes it worse is the way that they are judging people by the money they have or are making.

www.bbc.co.uk
(visit the link for the full news article)



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 12:17 PM
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I say that it's about saying that if you're going to get the privilege of immigrating to my country, you actually have to supply some marketable skill rather than just being another unskilled laborer.

I really don't get people who argue that it's bigoted for wanting immigrants to actually be a solid asset to the country before they are given the privilege of moving there.
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posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 12:18 PM
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Maybe if they made pay scales fair, more people would fit their elitist vision. Why is crappy work grossly underpaid while people at the top - of a certain personality type, I might add - command full-time salaries from not just one but often four different positions? Seems a tad unfair to me.

Let's reverse the pay scales for a couple of generations and see what happens. You'll have people clamoring to pull weeds and drive buses. It would be a very interesting exercise, at the very least.



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 12:19 PM
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I think that it's those with less money that are causing most of the problems over there. "nip it in the bud". I back the decision %100
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posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 12:25 PM
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I think its good to have people that wanna live in a country...thats not there own..to be productive members of society. There is nothing wrong with saying people need to HAVE A GOOD JOB AND INCOME if they wanna live in a foreign country. I think all countries should do this.
People now a days think, everything in the world is free or a government should provide. Look at the USA, you come here illegally and live better than many, that do work and have jobs...because of the NANNY STATE that it is.
The economies of the world are failing, and millions...if not Billions of people wanna live off the government from one country or another...because they are to damn lazy to earn there way in life. They expect to be a VP or own the company...or even have the profits of it..because they think that they desirve it...you don't wanna know what you'd get if it was my company...and you said that to me, it would include a very fast way out of the building, through whatever wall, door or window might or might not..be there.

You need to earn your lot in life. Your living in a fantacy world if you think you can get everything for free...wake up and earn your keep.



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 12:26 PM
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Originally posted by Extralien


This is discrimination....

This is controlling who can and who can't live a free life by the size of their bank accounts.
Having "no workable proposals" is not an excuse.

This is on par with needing a license to have a child. On par with seggregating one member of society from another.

The damaging part is the need to have a minimum income. The recommended level is 18,600 to 25,700 GBP.

But, this level is nothing in comparison to the 31,000 to 49,000 that Mr. Green would like it to be.

He said;

Mr Green told BBC Radio Kent he wanted "to be much more intelligently selective about who we let come here", and that anyone individual seeking permanent settlement should be able to command a salary of between £31,000 and £49,000.


"intelligently selective ".... ????

This is not second world war Nazi Germany testing the intelligence of Romany people and Jews...this is England in the year 2012....

He goes on to say;

We need to know that you're not going to be living off benefits from day one of arriving here.


Rather, you need to know they've got money and only those with it can benefit from government policies.

If immigration is so much of a problem, don't penalise those with less money! Don't dictate your ideals and choose only the "intelligent" ones...

Just stop people coming in full stop!!!!

It's simple.. reduce the numbers overall. Close the borders. Take those who can actually speak English good enough to learn a trade etc... Those willing to learn the language should be given a chance...

I could have several million pounds and bring in somebody who cannot speak a word of English..

This is a touchy subject and difficult to discuss. What makes it worse is the way that they are judging people by the money they have or are making.

www.bbc.co.uk
(visit the link for the full news article)


if he said no to immigrants full stop, you would say its archaic and nazi like, tbh labour let in way too many without proper checks, its britain im not racist but they complain about christmas because its pushing our ideals on them, not being funny but last time i check my family have been here since day one and your allowed to tell me im wrong you dont like it go somewhere else i wont miss you



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 12:28 PM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

I'm not entirely against this idea.

If you as a country decide that immigration is ok, but you'd at least like those immigrants to be educated and successfull, then what's the problem? Why would you want more people coming to your nation that then must be taken care of by the overall population via government handouts?

Now, not all immigration should be done this way. There must be refugee status and those sorts of exceptions for people who need to get out of their nations out of fear of violence or improper persecution.

But to say that you must be educated and capable of supporting yourself within this new country you are coming to, I really don't see the issue.

~Tenth

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 12:36 PM
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All I can suggest then is to be really ambitious and conformist all your days. Some of us aren't like that but we might like to live elsewhere on this planet we were born on. Countries are a stupid idea. This is a PLANET. Grass can grow freely. Birds can fly freely. If I'm born in a hot place and I want to live in a cold place but I still want to be a cleaner, am I just too damned unlucky to live my dream then?

Do you see where I'm going with this? It takes all kinds on a planet, in a civilization, in a culture, in a society, in a community, in a family. There is room for all of us to live our dreams without constraints.

The straps are getting too tight in this blasted patriarchal society we live in presently. It will die soon. Soon enough it this will be a moot point. We will rise above this kind of thinking and be fully fledged loving beings for the first time in the history of this civilization. The patriarchy is dead.



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 12:37 PM
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Originally posted by tothetenthpower
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

I'm not entirely against this idea.


But to say that you must be educated and capable of supporting yourself within this new country you are coming to, I really don't see the issue.

~Tenth

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.


I agree... you must AT LEAST be educated and able to support yourself, ie, find a job and keep it..

But in a system that seems to favour the rich and sweeps the poor under the carpet, getting and keeping a job is hard enough for those who were born here. The education system is an almost complete failure. Help and support for those who really need it is mostly covered by charities.

The government is supposedly a democracy, but every job where you are paid a wage is a dictatorial system.

Being self employed is, relatively, the only solution, but then you're met with a mine field of paperwork and no certainty that you will earn enough to pay your way as nobody is spending due to the economy.

Tricky...

ETA... Let's not miss the point either.. The idea is that immigrants must add quality of life... It does not say "must add/have money"... Only those who are trying to make the changes are twisting the message and making it about those who can afford to bring someone in..
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posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 12:38 PM
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Well yes it is discrimination... thats the point !

No matter what you do or say someone is gonna get pissed off, We're ment to say "happy holidays" here now because some of the Foreigners feel like were excluding them. Im sorry but wouldn't you do what your told if you were in someones house? Its the same.

We cant keep on having EVERYONE hop the English channel and join our country. it wouldn't work.
Put it like this, Everyone in the world decides they want to live in little old England (heaven forbid) what would happen to England? it become over crowded, NO jobs for anyone, people are homeless, on the streets it would become Chaos.

Now im not saying you must be English ti live in England because thats not right, were all humans on Earth we should be able to go where we want BUT we need common sense. not everyone can come here regardless who you are.

Putting a wage limit is reasonable id say. you got 5 years to work at it then, goodbye! hell its a lot better than other countries ! England does need some foreigners, Most English people think there "too good" to do the crap jobs and they wont get done. Its not right that they also complain that there is no work...



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 12:44 PM
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But, if someone comes here and can only get and do the 'crap jobs', as you say, then they will never be able to afford to stay as they are most probably on minimum wage and they wont meet the minimum wage bracket of 31k in order to stay... no matter how educated they are or how much culture they bring with them which would add to the quality of life for themselves and those around them...



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 12:46 PM
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Well that is 100% correct. Drawing lines in the sand and claiming them as ours has always been a stupid idea.

So don't get me wrong, the whole system can go up in flames as far as I am concerned and you'll never see me shed a tear.

But in this current system, if we'd like to continue, these sorts of changes are to be expected. Especially in a protectionist nation like the UK.

~Tenth



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 12:48 PM
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Again I agree, and I think that having a whole " You must be able to make X ammount" is stupid in itself. But needing an education and a means of supporting yourself isn't.

So he's got the right idea, wrong details. Other nation's education is better for a reason, cause they are encouraged to immigrate to richer nations.

India has more kids on the honor roll than the UK has kids in most cases.

On the other side of the pond in Canada, it's a different story. We just need immigrants. Don't care where they come from, as long as they are able to work and are willing to learn, we'll take 'em.

~Tenth



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 12:53 PM
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Originally posted by tothetenthpower

On the other side of the pond in Canada, it's a different story. We just need immigrants. Don't care where they come from, as long as they are able to work and are willing to learn, we'll take 'em.

~Tenth


Hold on... Just.. booking a... ticket... Done, on my way now


Just watching the ITV evening news on this subject and the reporter said it was about "who" comes and not "how many"...

Another way of looking at the 'quality of life', is this,...
I could be a comedian and make millions of people in the UK laugh on a daily basis... but I don't earn enough money.. So if you kick me out, nobody laughs anymore.... bang goes quality to peoples lives..



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 12:54 PM
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We have exactly the same problem here in Finland. As a result we have people with Master's degrees and Ph.Ds doing the crappy jobs. There aren't enough jobs for everyone in a country of just over 5million people so whoever looks best on paper and in the interview wins! Needless to say, the standard of sanitation has dropped drastically and there are lots more people having to live off the system.

It won't work this way. The system itself is the failure. Nothing can save it. It is falling apart at the seams and there is no way out but to change. We've played the Divide and Conquer game, the Fear game, the Control game, the Marginalization game, the Bully game for long enough. It's over. Game effing over.



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 12:55 PM
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It's silly because people who are educated and successful in their own country don't tend to want to leave it. It's mostly those who are in dire straits of some sort who leave (be that political, religious or economic).



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 12:55 PM
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I definetly agree with that. Canadian immigration is damn easy


We encourage you to live out your culture here, just don't try and change our laws. And move tot he maritimes damn it


Too many "Upper Canadians" with their foot in their mouth's



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 01:00 PM
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I get the arguments of the whole 'open borders' or outright 'no borders' crowd..and if they want to play that sheer insanity in some backward region of the planet, be my guest. I'll enjoy the epic failure it turns into...but England?

When precisely did it become anyone's *RIGHT* to immigrate to any other nation in the world? Last I checked, it's 100% and entirely the province of the host nation to decide who...IF ANYONE AT ALL...may enter their nation for everything from tourism to residency. I'm glad to see England is finally showing some sense here. Nations like Australia, New Zealand, Iceland and others have been requiring this and MUCH MORE for a long time now. If you aren't well off financially or very well educated, it's NOT happening. End of story...with a few narrow exceptions.

If the United States would adopt these policies within our OWN house, perhaps we could get back to being a nation where the citizens weren't actually looking at legal requirements to LEAVE while every loser on Earth is still pushing hard to COME.

My hats off to England for showing common sense and a sense of self preservation before they lost everything that made them British.

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posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 01:04 PM
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Not really.

What do you think the job market is in India? It's not very open and employment in specialized fields can be hard to find.

Therefore they are encouraged to immigrate to other countries.

It's hard to understand because in the west we have under educated populaces, which means we get shortages of certain workers. That doesn't really happen in places like India...

~Tenth



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