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What Gives With the Suicides in Chinese Manufacturing Plants?

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posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 10:16 AM
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I dunno man i just know its a tragedy!

Thats ok tho, Im sure all those people who are so pro communism will just pass this off......

Just like they do the situation in North Korea.......

Everythings fine, nothing to see here its just prapaganda....etc you know the drill

Mean while people in both countries commit suicide in record numbers because they would rather die then work under the thumb of their communist whip-holders




posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 10:21 AM
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Originally posted by mike_trivisonno
They are killing themselves to gain sweet, sweet release from the Communist hell hole into which they were so unfortunately born.

In China, they are considered chattel.

Communism is responsible for these deaths...as if Mao shot them himself.

Communism equals death.


who is buying the ipads , ipods and laptops they are making. all the electronic gadgets? who is buying these? do these people not bear any responsiblity in this horrific situation????



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 10:26 AM
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Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
reply to post by tonycliffs
 


I dunno man i just know its a tragedy!

Thats ok tho, Im sure all those people who are so pro communism will just pass this off......

Just like they do the situation in North Korea.......

Everythings fine, nothing to see here its just prapaganda....etc you know the drill

Mean while people in both countries commit suicide in record numbers because they would rather die then work under the thumb of their communist whip-holders



I'm not trying to sound like a hero or anything...........BUT, if I lived in a place like North Korea, well, maybe it'd be suicide by Korean cop or Korean soldier.

I'd try to take as many of them with me as I could, before they take me out.

Then, again, in reality....if I was born and raised in that kind of environment, I probably wouldnt' have the will power to resist. I'd be just another communist clone.

It's kind of like the Okinawans during World War Two, when the Marines landed on Okinawa they saw the Okinawans throwing themselves off cliffs in despair over the way they had been abused by the Japanese soldiers.

And the Japanese soldiers convinced the Okinawans that the Americans would treat them worse. So, entire families jumped off cliffs.



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 10:28 AM
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Originally posted by lacrimaererum

Originally posted by mike_trivisonno
They are killing themselves to gain sweet, sweet release from the Communist hell hole into which they were so unfortunately born.

In China, they are considered chattel.

Communism is responsible for these deaths...as if Mao shot them himself.

Communism equals death.


who is buying the ipads , ipods and laptops they are making. all the electronic gadgets? who is buying these? do these people not bear any responsiblity in this horrific situation????



And there you go again....trying to turn the story around to blame the free market system.

No. When I buy an Ipad, I bear no guilt over the way socialism/communism abuses people.

Because socialism/communism will abuse its people regardless if I buy an Ipad or not.

It is an ABUSIVE way of life.



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 10:35 AM
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It took us over 100 yrs. to develop worker rights and safety standards here in America. Things like the 5 day work week, 8 hr. work day, minimum wage, overtime pay, sick leave, vacation pay and safe working conditions. (most of which, we can thank unions for accomplishing) On top of that, we also have product safety standards and environmental protection regulations here in America that did not come without a fight. The struggle to accomplish these things in America is a representation of the working people of this nation standing up to demand that "we the people" and the environment we live in, not be written off in the never ending quest for more profits.

The total lack of these worker's rights & safety standards, product safety standards and environmental protection regulations is exactly why american companies outsource to China. Corporate mentality or "profits above all other concerns," is the driving force behind their decision to outsource.

This is why the corporate elite, represented by the Republican Party, are so vehemently anti-union. Their current goal is to remove all of these pesky rules & regulations here in America, (along with the organizations that brought them about) and convince us to become "competitive" is this completely unregulated market.

Needless to say, I don't believe that the suicide rates at chinese manufacturing plants can be attributed to "communism" in and of itself, but when you add corporate mentality to the mix, the conditions rapidly become intolerable and people end up choosing death instead of the slavery they find themselves trapped in.

Go Figure!



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 10:39 AM
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if you buy it you are contributing to this abuse.

you may not feel any guilt. It doesn't mean you are not guily. These people are your brothers and sisters.



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 10:44 AM
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You forgot to mention that many American corporations outsourced because of union boss corruption.

When will they ever find Jimmy Hoffa's autobiography revealing the full truth?



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 10:47 AM
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Originally posted by lacrimaererum
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if you buy it you are contributing to this abuse.

you may not feel any guilt. It doesn't mean you are not guily. These people are your brothers and sisters.



Excuse me. I have no sisters. And my brothers are not Chinese.

And when it comes to choosing who I fight for, either my real siblings, or some Utopian sibling in China....I'll be fighting for my brothers here at home.

And, no, I don't feel in the least guilty choosing my blood relations over some hippie concept.

PS....If the Chicoms will treat their own people that way, I can only imagine how they'd treat an American Gringo like me....if they could get their hands on me. But, they won't get their hands on me.



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 10:53 AM
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why are you bringing fighting into this? who you will fight for? how bizzare. i suppose american society does encourage a kind of agressive behaviour with their behaviour across the planet.


peace be with you man.



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 10:56 AM
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Nope.

The Communist thugs and criminals that force their citizens to toil for food are responsible.



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 10:58 AM
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Chinese culture is over 5,000 years old. Sufficient time to all that needs to be done to secure safe work places.

Communism is to blame for these deaths.



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 11:22 AM
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Originally posted by tonycliffs
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You forgot to mention that many American corporations outsourced because of union boss corruption.


Look, it's your right to believe in that "union boss corruption" B.S. if you want to but in actuality, it's couldn't be further from the truth.

Corporations outsource to increase profits, plain and simple! Worker rights, product safety standards and workplace safety standards, brought about by unions here in America, come at a cost and corporations run to unregulated markets in order to evade those cost. This is a clear demonstration of a "corporate mentality" dictating that profit margins come ahead of all other concerns, including the needs of the people who are manufacturing the very products that generate the profits.

They're not running from "corrupt union bosses," they're running from union principles! The principle that the needs of people should be at least as important as the need to generate a profit. Of course, the greedy don't see it that way. For them, enough is never enough and therein lies the problem.



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 11:42 AM
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Originally posted by mike_trivisonno
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Chinese culture is over 5,000 years old. Sufficient time to all that needs to be done to secure safe work places.

Communism is to blame for these deaths.


I'm sorry, maybe I missed something here in this thread. Has the suicide rate in communist China always been this high?

Dumb assed me thought we were discussing the "fact" that the suicide rate in China has dramatically increased since the introduction of outsourced manufacturing brought there by multinational corporations.

Chinese workers are experiencing their first encounter with corporations who value the lives of their workers far less than they do profits and the fact that they have no union representation to stand up for them leads them to commit suicide out of desperation.

Given time, I'm sure they will get around to enacting similar standards to those here in America. But until that happens, I can assure you that the corporate interest who currently control their lives will extract everything they can, right up till their dying breath.

This is clear proof that a global economy will not work without global regulations. The absence of uniform global standards does nothing more than open the door for multinational corporations to hop-scotch around the world pitting the standard of living in one nation against that of another until we all end up with no standards at all.

I think they call that "The Race To The bottom." It's probably a good thing if you're a sunken treasure hunter but outside of that field, it doesn't fair too well on society in general.



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 12:04 PM
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Originally posted by mike_trivisonno
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Chinese culture is over 5,000 years old. Sufficient time to all that needs to be done to secure safe work places.

Communism is to blame for these deaths.


After five thousand years of China making one bad decision after another, you can't be surprised that the Chinese are taking suicide as an answer.

The Chinese invented printing some five to six hundred years before the Guttenberg Bible, and along comes Mao to really muck up the works with his Little Red Book of Communist sayings.



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 12:06 PM
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Originally posted by lacrimaererum
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why are you bringing fighting into this? who you will fight for? how bizzare. i suppose american society does encourage a kind of agressive behaviour with their behaviour across the planet.


peace be with you man.


If you want to walk blindfolded into withering enemy fire, that's your truck.

It's called 'personal responsiblity.'



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 12:07 PM
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Do you really know the truth behind the death of Jimmy Hoffa?

I'd say you don't.



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 12:09 PM
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They don't know exactly how many workers died in the building of the Great Wall of China or the teh digging of the canal between the Yalo River and the Yangtze River....but there were a LOT.

Cause they don't report all those deaths in the Communist China media.



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 12:40 PM
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Originally posted by tonycliffs
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Do you really know the truth behind the death of Jimmy Hoffa?

I'd say you don't.



While I don't claim to be completely ignorant with respect to the Hoffa story, I don't claim to know it all either.

If we really knew the whole truth behind the death of Hoffa, you'd think that we would also know where his body is. Are you claiming to have access to that little piece of the "truth?" If so, I'd be more than happy to hear it, but please don't expect me to blindly accept it as truth unless you know something that everybody else doesn't and evidence to back it up.

On the other hand, I do know a little about union corruption. I worked through the International Longshoremen's Association for 32 yrs. until my retirement in 2005. Do you remember the Marlin Brando film entitled "On The Waterfront?" Well in case you don't, it was a fairly accurate depiction of the daily life of a longshoreman in the early days of the I.L.A. in N.Y. City and the corruption that permeated the industry. As an insider, I "know" that a great majority of the corruption was asserted by influences outside the longshoreman's union and/or scope of work and had much more to do with the actual commodity they were handling.

I'm not really sure what Hoffa has to do with suicides in chinese manufacturing facilities but I'd be more than willing to hear your version of the story, so go for it!



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 12:45 PM
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Originally posted by tonycliffs
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They don't know exactly how many workers died in the building of the Great Wall of China or the teh digging of the canal between the Yalo River and the Yangtze River....but there were a LOT.

Cause they don't report all those deaths in the Communist China media.



Are we talking deaths, or are we talking suicides? There is a big difference, you know.

Furthermore, I doubt that one really needs to go back to the building of the Great Wall in search of a huge spike in the chinese suicide rates. I think that the whole point of this thread is that they have spiked dramatically, at least that's what is being reflected by the statistics since the time they began keeping records for suicides in China.



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 01:16 PM
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So, next time you think that working under the Chinese Communist system is so much better than working under the evil American Free Market system....well, think again.



Is that what you want for America?


 


Who do you think the manufacturing plants are exporting to? This has nothing to do with the "Chinese Communist system.."





And it looks like the Chinese Communist working system is spreading around the world, to India, Brazil, Europe....and even America?


Slave labor has been happening in third and second tier countries for ages now. They supply the first world nations with cheap products...







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