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You may think of me as elitist, but if well educated equals elitist, I guess I'm guilty as charged.
Your area of experience varies from mine. I'm saying - don't argue with a professional in area that you are an amateur.
Just trust me that concentrated sweets in moderation are not bad, but in excess they are bad, just like moderate alcohol consumtion is not bad, and moderate sunlight exposure is not bad, but in excess anything is bad.
Originally posted by BBalazs
reply to post by Binder
"wow are you seriously a medical professional?" - (Absolutely)
This state is relatively safe as long as you consume enough food that can be converted to glucose because the body CANNOT manufacture it on its own, to run your central nervous system because the CNS only runs on glucose, nothing else will work. (completely true, and vetable statement. If the CNS can utilize an energy source other than glucose please inform me, and I'll put you in for a nobel prize. You'll be a mega rich elitist overnight)
"YES your body can produce glucose from FAT (1o%)" (NO it cannot, it can take fat apart, and extract the glucose from it, but it does not MANUFACTURE glucose from hydrogen, carbon, and oxygen C6H12O6. That would be like saying I created gasoline out of a pump at the gas station)
"PROTEIN 58%" (NO, NO, NO, ketones and amino acids come from protein, not sugar in any form. Look up ketosis lipolysis, educate yourself, and quit arguing with someone a thousand times more informed than you in this subject matter)
" AND CARBS." (Yes, glucose is derived from carbohydrates, you finally got 1 right.)
"If you are not eating, which you imply,(I never implied any such thing) you will starve. Wow, what an observation.(you made it not me, those are your words, they did not come from my keyboard.) Do they give out medical degrees fro such insightful knowledge nowadays?" (No, but they do for accurate, and correct assimilation of current knowledge, which you seem to lack on this topic.)
Anyway wise guy, WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK PRODUCES GLUCOSE IN YOUR BODY?(little green men? , you tell me. WHO?)
God, fda? (Nothing produces glucose in your body, it is extracted from the food you eat that is broken down(catabolism) into it's most basic components so that it is bioavailable for use by the cells of the body, a process refered to as cellular respiration. Google glycolysis, and glyconeogenesis. Although at a glance glyconeogenesis appears to be manufacture of glucose, it is not, it is a recombinant process from glucagon stores in the liver)
"What gives?" (indeed)
"Your body does, didn't you learn anything in medical school?" (My body does what? I learned about a whole bunch of stuff my body does, to what are you referring?)
"Or is this the medical school of creationism?" (2nd best school of advanced degree nursing in the nation at the time if you must know.)
"Do you really think refined processed carbs are needed not to die, as you imply?" (Never said that, in fact I said exactly the opposite, but your comprehension seems to be slow, that's why I'm itemizing everything for you. I said you need a certain amount of food with enough carbohydate that can be broken down into glucose to feed your brain. Not a lot, but some, about 30 grams a day. That's like 1 piece of whole wheat bread, or half a piece of fruit, etc...)
"Maybe you should bring out the scientific lingo, some of us can understand it." ( Some can.)
"Your body needs not excess sugar,"(Yoda would agree.)
" all is derived from carbs,(true) proteins(false) and fats(partially true)"
"Is that hard to understand?" (evidently it is because you are not getting it.)
"I havent eaten sugar or salt for years." (You have or you would be dead. You would have a starved brain, and no electron potential accross the synapses of your neurons if you had truly consumed no sugar, or salt)
No refined sugar, only that which is found in unprocessed whole foods, as god or the universe intended.(Ok, that I can believe. As I said your point is valid, but your rationale is completely wrong.)
Am I dead?(are you?)
Am I in heaven?(I am not a philosopher.)
Obviously this was referencing processed and totally unnecessary refined sugars and carbs.
DUH.(At the molecular level your body doesn't know the difference, DUH!, it is ratio of proper consumption, and nutrient density that is the issue, not refinement. The added junk in processing robs nutritive value, and adds hard to process metabolites(nitrates, etc.) but is ok in small quantities.)
You seriously misrepresent. (No I believe that is what I accused you of doing.)
How the hell did we survive 199.9OO years without processed refined carbs?
Tell me!(Just fine. I never said we needed them. I'm not the one preaching that they are evil, and wholly unuseful either though. Over consumed/produced, yes. Inherently bad, evil, and "toxic", NO.)
edit on 2-2-2012 by BBalazs because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Brandon88
It's all about moderation too much of anythings poison.
Look at how obese this world is... connect the dot's i'd elaborate further but its astounding how little people know about the one thing they eat the most of... don't breed ignorance.
That is how I see it. Star on that post.
Originally posted by antonia
I don't think it's some vast conspiracy. The diet industry is big business and it wouldn't be if people didn't want it. Artificial sweeteners exist because people want the sweet taste but they don't want the calories. Unfourtently it's really no better for you. The bottom line is yes, sugar might not be bad for you in moderation, but what is moderation? What amount is that?