Originally posted by Majic
Trolling, And What To Do About It
The subject has come up before.
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Contacting Staff: Alerts, Suggestions, Complaints
How to report trolling?, page 2
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reply posted on 2-2-2012 @ 08:54 PM by Majic
Trolling Far And Wide
Rainbow Dash has been known to do that.
Using my rule of thumb (which isn't necessarily "official", but hopefully helpful), if someone is trying to disrupt discussion, it's trolling. Thread stalking, spamming similar or identical messages, ad hominem attacks ("you nuts") and other forms of harassment are also trolling.
Or as described here:
That's not a complete list, but hopefully offers a good idea of what we're talking about.
Since just about everyone will tend to have different opinions about whether any specific case amounts to trolling, decisions regarding that are the purview of the moderators. Because we can't read minds, we must go by what is posted when gauging intent.
The simplest way to put it is if someone manages to convince the staff they are trolling, they are trolling. If not, then we give the members in question the benefit of the doubt.
As for whether you should alert something or not, that's up to you to decide. The part about 1-liners and off-topic posts is intended to discourage "mini-modding" and "complaint spamming" (i.e., alerting everything as "felony jaywalking" to make a point that we're not perfect), and shouldn't be construed as barring anyone from letting us know when there's a problem that truly needs attention.
ATS brings together people from all over the world with many different points of view, so it is natural that strong disagreements will arise. To the extent those points of view are applied to the topics we discuss and are expressed with civility, they are the heart and soul of our community.
Taking things beyond that in the form of abuse or harassment works against all of us, which is why we devote a great deal of effort to minimizing disruption and keeping threads on topic as best we can.
It's by no means a perfect process, and understandable that some of us will be frustrated when things aren't handled the way we would like, but until we can come up with something better, it's the best we've got.
Originally posted by zorgon
Okay that pony with the whistle scared my ferret
Rainbow Dash has been known to do that.
Originally posted by zorgon
So just for clarity if a person follows you to thread after thread with the same comment say for example "It's only rocks... you nuts"
Does that count as trolling?
Using my rule of thumb (which isn't necessarily "official", but hopefully helpful), if someone is trying to disrupt discussion, it's trolling. Thread stalking, spamming similar or identical messages, ad hominem attacks ("you nuts") and other forms of harassment are also trolling.
Or as described here:
Originally posted by Majic
Rather, trolling requires activity that falls outside the boundaries of topical discussion, such as ad hominem attacks, off-topic digressions, spamming, flooding, shocking images, foul language, threats, falsehoods, hoaxing, garbled/bizarre/absurd posts and other inappropriate behavior.
That's not a complete list, but hopefully offers a good idea of what we're talking about.
Since just about everyone will tend to have different opinions about whether any specific case amounts to trolling, decisions regarding that are the purview of the moderators. Because we can't read minds, we must go by what is posted when gauging intent.
The simplest way to put it is if someone manages to convince the staff they are trolling, they are trolling. If not, then we give the members in question the benefit of the doubt.
As for whether you should alert something or not, that's up to you to decide. The part about 1-liners and off-topic posts is intended to discourage "mini-modding" and "complaint spamming" (i.e., alerting everything as "felony jaywalking" to make a point that we're not perfect), and shouldn't be construed as barring anyone from letting us know when there's a problem that truly needs attention.
ATS brings together people from all over the world with many different points of view, so it is natural that strong disagreements will arise. To the extent those points of view are applied to the topics we discuss and are expressed with civility, they are the heart and soul of our community.
Taking things beyond that in the form of abuse or harassment works against all of us, which is why we devote a great deal of effort to minimizing disruption and keeping threads on topic as best we can.
It's by no means a perfect process, and understandable that some of us will be frustrated when things aren't handled the way we would like, but until we can come up with something better, it's the best we've got.
reply posted on 3-2-2012 @ 12:34 AM by Majic
Learning By Example
reply to post by CosmicEgg
We do not have a policy of ignoring trolls. Please review my previous posts with greater care.
As I mentioned in them, you may disagree with a specific decision, and that's fine. The appropriate way for dealing with that is spelled out here.
Where this seems to be going, and is not an appropriate way to handle things, is what appears to be a why me scenario.
Ironically enough, attempting to turn this topic from a policy discussion into a personal grievance thread is, in fact, trolling, so let's not go there.
Having reviewed the staff actions you appear to be complaining about and having full access to what you posted, please understand that further attempts to air your grievances in this thread or elsewhere in the public forums will not work to your benefit (see the forum description at the top of each page).
Such posts will be subject to removal or other corrective action, so let's choose a more constructive approach and save us all the hassle.
reply to post by CosmicEgg
We do not have a policy of ignoring trolls. Please review my previous posts with greater care.
As I mentioned in them, you may disagree with a specific decision, and that's fine. The appropriate way for dealing with that is spelled out here.
Where this seems to be going, and is not an appropriate way to handle things, is what appears to be a why me scenario.
Ironically enough, attempting to turn this topic from a policy discussion into a personal grievance thread is, in fact, trolling, so let's not go there.
Having reviewed the staff actions you appear to be complaining about and having full access to what you posted, please understand that further attempts to air your grievances in this thread or elsewhere in the public forums will not work to your benefit (see the forum description at the top of each page).
Such posts will be subject to removal or other corrective action, so let's choose a more constructive approach and save us all the hassle.
reply posted on 3-2-2012 @ 01:14 AM by CosmicEgg
reply to post by Majic
I agree entirely. I have learned a great deal about how you handle things. I used to work for a governmental body that had similarly biased practices that simply could not be construed as even-handed by any measure. I see the same situation here. Some "are" and some "are not and will never be". I've been here for three year and a bit and this is not the first time I've seen and commented on this stuff.
How you run things is your business but that doesn't make it right.
I agree entirely. I have learned a great deal about how you handle things. I used to work for a governmental body that had similarly biased practices that simply could not be construed as even-handed by any measure. I see the same situation here. Some "are" and some "are not and will never be". I've been here for three year and a bit and this is not the first time I've seen and commented on this stuff.
How you run things is your business but that doesn't make it right.
reply posted on 3-2-2012 @ 10:24 PM by The1Prettiest1One
reply to post by Arbitrageur
Why is that showing up so much today?
Reporting trolling to authority is effete.
Why is that showing up so much today?
Reporting trolling to authority is effete.
