Originally posted by eboyd
sounds a lot like feudalism to me. while i hate capitalism myself i at least prefer it to feudalist caste systems where there are even more degrees of
separation. in a caste system, such as the European feudalism system that preceded the Industrial Revolution in major countries such as Great Britain,
the proletariat is even more marginalized than it is in a capitalist system. not only must they answer to capitalist/bourgeoisie masters, but the
capitalist masters have to answer to the royal class. so while the bourgeoisie get the table scraps, the proletariat get the crumbs from those table
I am not talking about European feudalism. European feudalism was largely ad hoc and implicit, and was therefore a mess.
Marx called for a temporary dictatorship of the proletariat, which meant a rule by that class just in order to get communism implemented and
then everyone would become a part of the proletariat (a stateless, classless society).
Exactly; universal and perpetual demotion to Sudra, as Prabhupada identified. In other words, as much a Hell in its' own way, as our current mess is
in its'. Intellectually, emotionally, and morally, the proletariat are at the bottom of the barrel. Again, I know this because I've lived with
them. If Sunbury (the Australian suburb which I used to live in) had had a coat of arms, it would ideally consist of images of a marijuana leaf, a
beer bottle, a car tire, and a house brick.
The mistake that Marxists make, (as Marx himself did) is in assuming that the varnas are artificial and arbitrary. The four groups; unskilled labour,
businesspeople, kings/police/military, and scientists/clergy, are inherent, due to human temperament and comparitive levels of intelligence. They
exist, irrespective of whether there is human recognition of them or not. This does not mean that there cannot be fluidity, (there can and should be)
but ask a Marine, as perhaps one of the best examples, whether or not they would want another occupation, if they could choose it. They refer to the
Marines as a calling, and they're right. It is.
Likewise with medicine, as another good example. Some people are healers; that's just what they're meant to be. If you put them in a factory, then
both they as individuals, and society as a whole suffers.
The ideal collective social model in my own mind, (and I saw this on a practical level with the Internet, before Capitalism got hold of it) is a
technocracy; that is, rule by a legislative body of scientists, with (as Fresco described it) the scientific method applied to social concerns. Then
you have the troops taking their orders from the scientific congress; which as you'll notice, the American Constitution predicted, when it explicitly
stated that only the Congress would have the power to declare war. You have a Kshatriya in the executive branch, but ideally you have him entirely
subordinate to the scientific (Brahmana) legislative branch.
The legislative branch should not consist of non-scientists. The fact that the American legislative branch does, is one of the main reasons why said
branch makes such repressive laws where the Internet or copyright are concerned. They are bribed by the Vaisya, and are usually Vaisya (corporate
boardmembers/shareholders) themselves, and because they are not scientists, they do not understand the negative consequences of the laws they
The Vaisya (corporate world) badly need to be put back in their box, at this point. The problem is their entrenched, unholy coalition with the
Kshatriya, as Mussolini described; also identified by Eisenhower as the military/industrial complex. The troops like being subordinate to the suits;
they like the bribes which the suits can give them, and they also like the weaponry which the suits' money can buy.
We need to find a way to somehow get through to the troops, that taking their orders from the corporations, isn't in anyone's best interests,
ultimately including their own. We also need scientific government, with the troops defending that. This means that the troops themselves need to
start being educated about what genuinely enlightened government is.