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Originally posted by ProgressiveSlayer
reply to post by petrus4
You mean the the point isn't who hates Jews more or which system has failed more miserably in the past?
Who'd a thunk it?
Originally posted by ProgressiveSlayer
reply to post by SayonaraJupiter
Perhaps a better example of what you perceive as Capitalism would be a coin with the monsanto logo as heads and the c i a logo as tails? Then socialism would be a coin with stalin on one side and moa on the other. I find it funny that the majority of socialist advocates quickly distance themselves from communism but Capitalists are not allowed to distance themselves from corporatism or fascism. If I described socialism as "feeding on the hopes, dreams and potential of the youths for the greater good of the 'community'," you wouldn't like that very much because in your mind socialism wouldn't work that way, even though several historical applications of that system have turned out that way.
Except as most of the posters here will tell you there has never been a true Socialist country.
The killing of three women and eleven children at a mining encampment in Ludlow, Colorado, on Easter night, 1914, sent shock waves across the country. After the “Ludlow massacre,” as it came to be known, the commission held public hearings in Colorado where they heard horror stories about the brutality and rapacity of the Rockefeller-owned Colorado Fuel and Iron Company, the region’s largest operator of coal mines.
“Did you know that the men sworn in as Deputy Sheriffs by Jeff Farr, at Trinidad, were Baldwin-Phelps detectives and that the Colorado Fuel and Iron Company supplied them with guns?” asked Chairman Walsh.
“I must refer you to Mr. Wellborn,” said Mr. Rockefeller.
“Have you made any effort of your own, as a director of the Colorado Fuel and Iron Company, to bring to justice those men in your own employ, who are in Troop A, who may have poured oil on the tents of those people and lit them with matches?”
“No.”
Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter
That's not extremism. It is a fact of 'real economics'. The solutions to 'real economic' problems are created and carried out by the other factions, the government factions, this results in a fabric of society (e.g. a Matrix) that we can all agree is fair and balanced... just like Fox News.
Originally posted by petrus4
Originally posted by syrinx2112
reply to post by petrus4
Hello Petrus,
Please share with me “your” experience with starting a business and competing with another owner/CEO and you ended up at the bottom.
I haven't had an experience exactly like that, as such; however, I will tell you what I have had happen.
I once applied for a telemarketing job, not long after having left high school. It was the only job I have ever applied for, and this was nearly 20 years ago, now. Not long before that, I had finished reading Bill Gates' ghostwritten autobiography, The Road Ahead. Although I can't remember the exact specifics of what I wrote, I got that job on the basis of quoting The Road Ahead on that job application form, almost verbatim. I don't think I quoted any of Gates' actual life experiences, but I did quote his philosophy.
I did not do that in order to be purposely amoral as such; it was actually a conscious experiment, where I wanted to find out whether or not practically engaging in sociopathic behaviour would result in my advancement or not, as I had read. I left the job the next day, feeling nauseated with myself, and also ashamed of the fact that two other applicants had been prevented from getting the job, due to my use of dishonesty.
Since that time, I have also read Machiavelli's The Prince, Sun Tzu's The Art of War, and Robert Greene's 48 Laws of Power, and his second book, The Art of Seduction. I will admit to having used several of the principles within that last book in order to obtain the relationship I had with my last ex-girlfriend.
In other words, I have a sufficient knowledge, both theoretically and applied, of how the game is played, that I could become an extremely successful secondary psychopath, if I so chose. I choose not to, partly because, beginning in 2007, I have had active and very real contact with Kali Ma, an aspect of the Goddess within the context of what most would refer to as Hinduism. She demands a particular ethical stance.
The main reason, however, is that I am also capable of empathy, to the point where I have at times been plagued by such. I have learned from real experience that there is a direct relationship between the amount of money that a person can accumulate, and their degree of willingness to engage in psychopathic, socially and environmentally lethal behaviour; and as a result, beyond the bare minimum that I need for physical survival, I have resolved to very consciously and deliberately keep myself in as advanced a state of poverty as possible, while remaining alive.
Funny you say this: It happened to me some months back:
There is this other sports bar who "was" adamant on taking my customers...
This went on for about 2 months. I headed over to his bar one eve, purchased a beer and talked with the owner. He didn't know who I was. I introduced myself, he looked at me and said "What are you doing here?" I stated, I wanted to meet you and talk with you. He then says, "you here to take some ideas?" I said no, I then said, I was thinking of starting up a pool (billiards) league tournament.. Your house against my house. We swap weeks and share the customers... He looked at me, smiled and didn't think more about it, he said, YES. He then apologized. Now we are actually a team, his house against my house in Volleyball, Pool, Darts, Singing, Poker…. Our workers seem to be happy, wages are great and their tips are awesome, profits are great for the owners… It’s a win-win…. We share ideas and even at times when he is short on staff, we share.... My point is, I could either have become this other guy who is being mean in stealing my customers and do the same back to him (fueled by fear of losing business). But I totally saw it as an opportunity for ALL to enjoy.. You may say “nice and all” but what about others who are not fortunate to find a good situation. I created my situation, go create yours!
This is a genuinely inspiring story. I may have to reconsider my own position, at least to a degree.
Originally posted by ANOK
Originally posted by Skyfloating
Socalists want workers to own the means of production. We on the other hand want the creators of the tools to own the means of production. Creatorship should equal ownership.
Workers create the tools also you know. Also there are many jobs that require you to have your own tools.
There is nothing a private owner can do that workers can't.
The only thing the private owner does is appropriate resources, and keeps them artificially scarce, in order to exploit people for their own benefit.
A 'private owner' is not needed to create anything. Ridiculous argument. Give a man a fish....Hmm?
Originally posted by syrinx2112
I just go into everything with an understanding of what I want, and as long as I don't hurt, lie, steal, cheat..do anything that could hurt ANYbody, I then move on it. I call it walking the transaction down, simply by asking, did I "earn" it by not devaluing the revenue/income/profits? If I ever hit a YES to my questions, I simply walk away with an expected loss, because I don't want any part of it.