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posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 05:35 PM
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Originally posted by daskakik
That is not exactly what you had said. You said that they are where our wealth comes from and I think that is seldom the case.


Every artificial inanimate object that you or others own, as well as any part of the environment that is not natural (such as infrarstructure), is a piece of wealth. Do you know where it comes from?




posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 05:38 PM
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Originally posted by daskakik
No way, Bill Gates took an existing product and payed someone else to adapt it to the IBM hardware. He then cut a sweet deal because the folks at IBM didn't see the potential.


It is thanks to Bill Gates that the computer is all over the place. Its also thanks to IBM. And also to Apple. And many other of those "evil corporations". Your entire surroundings are probably made up of things built by corporations, created by work/money. Your medical comforts, your foods, your communication devices...how did all this stuff get where it is?

Do you know?


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posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 05:40 PM
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Yes, but it probably isn't where you think it comes from. People have had stuff before businesses existed. I have no problem giving kudoz for some of the things brought to market but I'm not going to go the lengths that you propose.

I never said that corporations are evil. They can be inconsiderate but that is part of their nature. That still doesn't mean I'm going make them some target of worship. If Gates hadn't done it somebody else would have.

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posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 05:48 PM
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Originally posted by daskakik
Yes, but it probably isn't where you think it comes from.


Where does stuff come from?




People have had stuff before businesses existed.


Yes. And where did it come from?




That still doesn't mean I'm going make them some target of worship. If Gates hadn't done it somebody else would have.


Its not the people anyway. Its the principles under which they operate.

Those principles do not include socialism.



posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 05:56 PM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating
Where does stuff come from?

Innovation and work. Not always in equal parts but usually a bit of both.


Yes. And where did it come from?

See above.



Its not the people anyway. Its the principles under which they operate. Those principles do not include socialism.


This is where you are wrong. Innovation and work exist in everything than men do.



posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 05:57 PM
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Yes. And where did it come from?



I'm going to take a wild guess, from them purchasing something with money they earned by their own labor?



posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 06:01 PM
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Originally posted by defcon5

Originally posted by AwakeinNM
Capitalism:


The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


I sorta got a laugh out of this being called the reality of Capitalism...
In the real world, its more like this:


As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.


Not sure you read my post? I said that I did not do a graphic for the reality of our current so-called "capitalist" economy, but you are pretty much on the money.. or beer. as it were. We're mired in corrupt corporatism, which looks like your graphic.

The graphic you pirated was intended to show how capitalism is SUPPOSED to work.



posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 06:09 PM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by DZAG Wright
Throw away your learned definitions of Socialism and Capitalism and use your OWN brain for a few moments.





To address the hatred of Socialism I will go here: How can ANY human being who is good of heart be against something designed to bring everyone together?


Socialism is not designed to bring everyone together. It is designed to take wealth and power from those who have it, and redistribute it among the people. This means, those who are building society and keeping it together are stripped of their ability to do so. Which is why socialist societies always collapse.





As explained previously, the primary motivation of capitalism is not selfishness, otherwise it would collapse.
This is and always has been a misconception and projection by socialists. Capitalism is driven by service to society, production, play and creativity. Were selfishness its primary motive it could not collect money. Even some supposed capitalists in this thread falsely believe that selfishness is the prime-motive and that selfishness is "good". I dare say these "capitalists" dont know what they're talking about. Most capitalists I know have more than enough money and dont need anymore, so why do they keep on going? For entirely different reasons than the public suspects. This is why 99% of the worlds charity does not come from socialists, it comes from capitalists.



Once you tell me what socialism "really" is, I will be able to tell you how the policies you list will eventually deteriorate into destitution, decay, poverty, police state and maybe even genocide as in some socialist experiments.




Now that I have a little more time, let me show the error in so many thinking...

Imagine there is a Heaven or if you prefer a advanced alien society (since this is ATS), do you believe their economy will be Capitalistic? Do you think that in Heaven, you will find it necessary to give God $3 for some bread? If we are being visited by aliens, do the aliens have to worry about making lease payments on the vehicle they arrive here in?

Answering those silly questions made from the top of my head, does it not make it evident how primitive capitalism is? It's a barbaric economic model, buffed up and shined to APPEAR as the best thing since peanut butter! It allows JUST enough citizens to live DECENT lives (and have a DREAM) that the masses will fight for it tooth and nail.

I have sold drugs in the past (yeah this deviates from the conversation) however just because I made a living from it and good money...it did not cause me to lose sight that it harms people! Even if we don't see it as prominently in America, our capitalism HARMS other countries! The same way the dope I sold HARMED families I didn't know. The dope I sold caused some little kid to grow up in a home where mom did not keep groceries in the kitchen or the lights on.

Our Capitalism is causing some kid in China to work 12 hours in a sweatshop to produce the Nikes we love. Our capitalism is causing some poor man to lose an arm if he doesn't find any blood diamonds in Africa! Should we turn our heads as if it isn't so? What type of person can do this? A dishonest, self-righteous, selfish, psychopath! Welcome to the majority of Americans! Though some of us are just ignorant and are unaware, I will take it that you are educated and thus aware?

American Exceptionalism had nothing to do with us being the world power we are. We had a few things fall in our favor and were among the first to capitolize from thoroughly raping other countries for their resources while at the same time keeping them in tribal or sponsored crony "socialism". We, along with England, simply got a jump on the other countries. We spend trillions on our military and intelligence to assure we keep this advantage and keep other nations down.

No socialism isn't designed to take money and resources from those who have it and redistribute it to the poor man! A properly implemented Socialist system, there wouldn't BE any blood sucker to take from! You see THERE...is where the problem begins with the "examples" of previous socialism!

No human in a position of power will properly implement socialism because their greed will cause them to implement it for everyone EXCEPT themselves and their families/friends!

I'm going to propose how socialism can be implemented (others feel free to join) and watch how the demons and others who are psycho will run as if they are vampires shown a cross with Yeshua on it! It will betray what they really are and who they REALLY work for even if they are unaware! Hopefully it will open a few eyes and fatten the ranks, all it takes is swallowing your pride and admitting you've been living a lie.
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posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 06:18 PM
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LETS IMPLEMENT SOCIALISM (Or as close as we can get)!!!!

Watch a average Joe such as myself solve some of the major problems that have plagued other countries with barely any thought!!

For America: Since we are already supposedly a free people, all we have to do is declare all natural resources, land, energy, etc., the possession of everyone! NO AGENCY OR PRIVATE COMPANY owns ANYTHING!!! Announce that there is no longer (well only for a short time) a President, CEO, General or whatever. Make it a crime for anyone to even consider themselves such.

This is how you remove the tyrannical aspect of socialism.

I will edit and continue this later...probably need to make a thread titled, How to Successfully Implement Socialism.



posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 06:43 PM
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Originally posted by rottensociety
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In his confession, the Communist Bolshevik Kristian Rakovsky admitted that both Communism and Capitalism were created as two giant pincers to ensnare society from both the Left and the Right.


This is exactly what the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion says; but I might have to try and track down Red Symphony.



posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 07:08 PM
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is your argument, nothing of value could ever be created unless a large percentage of humans were in poverty and starving?... if all humans on the planet were to create a system of equality and prosperity, then nothing ever again would be able to be created, all humans minds wold suddenly become blank, all knowledge lost, all innovation stopped, all people would become equally miserable,.....

How did you get up on that high horse? to me it looks like a high chair...

the elite way of thinking is primitive and savage.. it has been in effect for thousands and thousands of years.. a minority of fear driven individuals unable to feel safe in a world they are not in full control over... its gone too far..
the people will take the power back,,. im not begging you to fight a revolution,,,but us infants are growing wise.
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in an equal world community would it be like....the idea of the iphone comes about, they are manufactured without 700% markup or more for profit, and everyone can afford one for 25 bucks? and it is top notch so the company wont need to put a new one out next week that has 1 extra little surprise?
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and the reason the elite are justified in their infinite wealth, power, control, is because in their mind they have the right to believe that they are allowing society to exist.. and this is the same view of all these people who believe that without them society would fail, so they dont have to care about anyone? it is fear of their true unworthiness, if they did not have slaves to grow their food, and build their infrastructure and homes, how wold they sustain themselves with their ideas?
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every individual in the world is on a different team because they all must compete for their lives... and the elite sit on the top of their pyramid, over looking the dog eat dog rat race... they love it... everyone hear arguing,, multiply that by millions and that is the world, controlled chaos,, that can easily be perfect order... easily.... it would be easier on all people to cooperate.... you like the challenge though, its cute, its fun,... i hope you dont think of yourself anything higher then a sly chimp, for none of your virtues align with the potential righteous of man.
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i dont hate your wealth, your work, your ideals, your cozy smirks while reading this thread, i hate your spirit...
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posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 07:42 PM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


Originally posted by AwakeinNM
Not sure you read my post? I said that I did not do a graphic for the reality of our current so-called "capitalist" economy, but you are pretty much on the money.. or beer. as it were. We're mired in corrupt corporatism, which looks like your graphic.

I'm not so sure that it shows a “corrupt” corporatism either. It simply shows the ultimate “end game” to a true capitalism. At some point in capitalism too much money becomes concentrated in too few hands, giving the people with that money to ability to unlevel the playing field for their own further personal gain.

Historically whenever a kingdom got to rich it was either beset upon by other poorer kingdoms, or the starving population would finally revolt, and the physical wealth would be re-distributed thereby resetting the system. In the modern world of banking where wealth is not physical but an abstract number in a ledger, there is no longer a “reset switch”. Eventually you were going to reach this point where the rich minority had the power to lobby the laws, set unfair wages/prices, buy out their competition, and even take down governments.

The way I see it, the only way to fix this situation is to set a limit on what any person can ultimately own. Because there is no physical “gold” in the coffers, you can have no reset switch. So you have to make laws to keep the field from ever getting this far out of whack by limiting how much of the pie any individual has control over.

Of course its too late to do anything about it now, those with the money lobby the laws into existence, and their greed outweighs their benevolence to do what is in the best interest of the rest of society. They would never allow any law that's not going benefit themselves personally. In any attempt to reset the system to a working state, they're going to still want equal value of their share according to the previous system. If tomorrow we made leaves money, you can bet they would be out there buying up all the forests tonight.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 08:24 PM
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My personal "ethos" is the old law, common law. I believe that a society that was able to embrace that law would thrive. Common law is essentially that you do no harm, to yourself, to others, to the world around you. Cause no loss, to yourself, to others, or to the world around you, and don't cheat, take only what you need, and do so in a sustainable way.

I've been watching a series on BBC called Unnatural Histories. I missed the first episode, but the second was about Yellowstone, and the third was on the Amazon. Those areas of the world are now viewed as wildernesses, untouched by human hands, but that's not the case. The human beings who lived there in antiquity did so as a part of the ecosystem. They didn't strip mine, they didn't build skyscrapers, they didn't over farm the land. They lived within their means, without greed, and they took care of the land around them and ensured it continued to sustain them.

Capitalism breeds secrecy, conspiracy, poverty and death. Our comfortable capitalist lives, full of wonderful technology, ready to go food, comfort and ease only exists because of the suffering of other human beings. In my humble opinion, history will view the industrialised western world of the 20th and early 21st centuries as fat and lazy, allowing countless human lives to be used up and extinguished half a world away, no more civilised than if we marched them up a stone pyramid to have their hearts ripped from their chest to ensure a good harvest.

The greatest advances of our time are kept secret, hidden and withheld from the public for years. Things that could and should be available to all are kept back for those with money. Ignorance is taught to ensure profits for the big companies, who get all the breaks and none of the consequences.

If the governments had taken the bail out money they gave to the banks, and instead split it up evenly amongst the people, the money would still have ended up going to the banks, but by being put in at the bottom up, it would have fed the economy on it's way. Instead it just went into the banks and evaporated.

It's only when individuals do the right thing because it is the right thing, instead of what they stand to profit from it, that we can begin to call ourselves civilised.



posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 08:29 PM
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Originally posted by daskakik

It still doesn't change the fact that other cubans stood behind him and they were still your countrymen.


It doesn't change the fact that Cuba is a socialist/communist dictatoship, one which most Cubans NOW, and for DECADES have been trying to escape from...


Originally posted by daskakik
Also doesn't change the fact that the market exists and people are not going to jail for it, contrary to what you claim.


LOL Cubans are not going to jail for the black market?... YES THEY ARE, not to mention that some of them are used as snitches in return for not going to prison. They become snitches telling the government who are the distributors, or if they see any kind of activity that can be considered "anti-revolutionary"...

Again, you sir show nothing but ignorance as to what happens in Cuba, and other socialist/communist dictatorships...


Originally posted by daskakik
I'm not leftist. I'm just arguing the semantics and double standards.


You are defending ideologies you know NOTHING about.


Originally posted by daskakik
You pull that card too often. As I have pointed out, this part of your experience only makes you biased.


BS, it makes me knowledgeable of what happens there, which is something you are completely ignorant about.


Originally posted by daskakik
I guessed you missed this from someone who lived it and thinks otherwise. He even directed it to you but I guess you missed it.


Speaking of those traumtised by previous experience of a communist dictator ElectricUniverse if you have any time away from point scoring, I'd like to ask you if you could contrast the Cuban experience of Communism with that of the Socialist Federal Republic of Jugoslavija? I ask because you have made a numbe of blanket statements about Communism which do not cover the Yugoslav experience. As I stated in my previous post, the successor countries of the former Yugoslavia (excepting Slovenia) which today are supposed democracies are still worse off than they were under Tito's Communism. Serbia, Croatia, Macedonia, Montenegro and Kosovo are if anything more riddled with corruption than they ever were under the Communists. How does that tally with your opinion?





It is a known fact that many of the same people who were in power when those countries were "communists" are still in power now under different names, such as the "mafia"...

For example Putin was a KGB agent, and one who still has power over Russia, and some other former states. Not to mention that it is a known fact that the mafia in Russia, and in former communist nations were members of the KGB/kremlin, and they have a lot of power, even outside of former communist states.


Russian mafia taking over French Riviera


September 1, 2010 by Capo · 1 Comment

Mafia kingpins from the former Soviet Union have moved into the French Riviera and are taking over with “quasi-military” precision. Their grip on the region is now so tight that Riviera detectives expect an eastern connection to almost every crime. “Everything from burglary and money laundering to vice is controlled by the Mob from former [...]

mafiatoday.com...


“Never trust a communist. Never.” These are words from a friend who grew up in a communist nation and experienced first-hand the oppression and atrocities such a government wields.

Younger readers may not realize that modern-day Russia is a former communist nation that called itself the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. “Former” communists from the USSR still hold positions of power in Russia. (Former President and current Prime Minister Vladimir Putin is one of them.)
...

www.mom4freedom.com...

You do need to get up to date if you want to discuss this topic which you are obviously completely ignorant about...


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posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 08:58 PM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
You are defending ideologies you know NOTHING about.

I already challanged you to find one post in this thread where I have defended socialism? You showed up with your hands empty again. Besides you don't know what I know or don't know about those ideals first hand.


BS, it makes me knowledgeable of what happens there, which is something you are completely ignorant about.

See above.




It is a known fact that many of the same people who were in power when those countries were "communists" are still in power now under different names, such as the "mafia"...

So now, even someone who was actually there isn't good enough for you? Only you know. Nobody else has any idea. And you feel that others are like brick walls. OK, if you say so.

Oh and that member wasn't talking about Russia so your little factoids were irrelevant.
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posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 09:11 PM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by daskakik

It still doesn't change the fact that other cubans stood behind him and they were still your countrymen.


It doesn't change the fact that Cuba is a socialist/communist dictatoship, one which most Cubans NOW, and for DECADES have been trying to escape from...


The only reason why you think negatively about Cuba is because you have been indoctrinated to do so; not because said negative thinking has anything to do with actual fact.

Cuba has become an outcast in the eyes of the controlled "international community," simply because it refuses to follow said countries' program. I would also recommend doing some research on how Cuba as a country, has been able to survive the loss of 85% of its' previous volume of international trade.

If you had any real comprehension of political reality, Cuba being a dictatorship would mean absolutely nothing. Americans have not taken to the streets over Barack Obama gaining the ability to indefinitely detain domestic citizens without due process, and yet they still react with outrage to dictatorship in foreign countries. It is a joke, and it is one which stems purely from the now almost entirely unconscious belief in American moral exceptionalism; that acts which are evil when other countries commit them, are not evil when America herself does so.

The fact that Cuba has become an outcast in the eyes of the international cabal, and has refused to toe the line, is the reason why you have been brainwashed to demonise it; not because claims of comparitive political morality have any basis in fact whatsoever.

I am really fed up with this. American ignorance, in and of itself, is not my primary grievance here. My real grievance is that the ignorance of your opinions, is nearly always directly proportional to your level of adamancy and aggression in expressing them; that is, the more catastrophically oblivious and transparently brainwashed your opinion is, the greater the levels of savagery, profanity, and ad hominem will be employed in its' defense.



posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 11:27 PM
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Originally posted by jonnywhite
The problem could be that we're, each of us, selfish by nature. Most of us do not have the wherewithal to make millions or billions of dollars in 5 years or less. If we did, we would be scrambling for footholds too. I really do not believe Bill Gates or Soros or Rockefeller or any of the other rich men (or woman) are much different than anyone else. They simply had the capacity. No more distinction is necessary, in my mind.

And there's something else. Resources on earth are finite. So, lets say, there's 100 energy on earth (for use) and there're 100 people. The people have to figure out how to distribute this energy. Since people generally want to be credited for their work, some will ask for more payment than others due to the work they do and their judgments about its value. More importantly, not everybody is the same. They each have different skills and talents. This causes a storm of disputes over where the resources (energy) will go. Not every person can be perfectly aware of the variables. This can only increase the tension. The question is: Does our selfishness intrude on this process of determining where the resources go?

I had a dream the other day. I woke up after hearing this on the radio (in a bathroom): "If all the doors are closed then you'll only find one door open." What's interesting about this is the context of the dream. I was in the bathroom talking with my brother about my failures as a person. He chastised me. Then as we were leaving the bathroom a radioman came onto the speaker and started to talk about people and money and corruption. At one point, he stated something like, "Money and power corrupt freedom." Keep in mind that I'm hearing this in my dream, not on an actual radio. Now, after I woke up, it took a few moments to realize I had been dreaming. But the statement about the doors remained in my mind because I think it has some inner wisdom. I think what it's actually saying is this: "If all the doors can be closed then you'll only find one door open." It's another way of saying that people, by their nature, prefer to keep secrets. Given true freedom, we would choose to hoard whatever we have and only exchange with others what's necessary.

I saw a study that concluded the happiest people were in socialist democracies in europe. Something like that, if my memory serves me (does it?). I think there was probably some bias in the study since a lot of studies come out of organizations that're, behind the scenes, funded by others who're not unbiased.

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That's a very interesting dream you had... I'm always fascinated by peoples' dreams... they can be so interesting/relevant in many ways.

Here's the thing...

Greed begets greed, and it's a self-perpetuating thing... it doesn't follow towards any righteous or evil path, necessarily, but it is dangerous/volatile. Capitalism is dangerous because it forwards that profit-motive (i.e. greed) can solve our problems... but it can't, plain and simple.

Many various/reputable scientific studies have shown that the most equal societies were the happiest, most sane, calmest, and sometimes the most advanced.

Income Inequality and Happiness

Happiness linked to 'high level of equality'

Which economic system did the hunter-gatherer societies use?

Limited wants, unlimited means: a reader on hunter-gatherer economics and the environment


It's time to find a way to live that caters to HUMANS and ECOSYSTEMS rather than forcing humans and ecosystems to cater to THE SYSTEM.

It's time to reduce our demands/consumption... reduce our wants, make our desires scarcer so that our means to provide for them are more infinite. We live on a finite planet... it's time to grow up and humble ourselves to our predicament.



posted on Feb, 6 2012 @ 11:33 PM
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Originally posted by TheIrvy
My personal "ethos" is the old law, common law. I believe that a society that was able to embrace that law would thrive. Common law is essentially that you do no harm, to yourself, to others, to the world around you. Cause no loss, to yourself, to others, or to the world around you, and don't cheat, take only what you need, and do so in a sustainable way.

I've been watching a series on BBC called Unnatural Histories. I missed the first episode, but the second was about Yellowstone, and the third was on the Amazon. Those areas of the world are now viewed as wildernesses, untouched by human hands, but that's not the case. The human beings who lived there in antiquity did so as a part of the ecosystem. They didn't strip mine, they didn't build skyscrapers, they didn't over farm the land. They lived within their means, without greed, and they took care of the land around them and ensured it continued to sustain them.

Capitalism breeds secrecy, conspiracy, poverty and death. Our comfortable capitalist lives, full of wonderful technology, ready to go food, comfort and ease only exists because of the suffering of other human beings. In my humble opinion, history will view the industrialised western world of the 20th and early 21st centuries as fat and lazy, allowing countless human lives to be used up and extinguished half a world away, no more civilised than if we marched them up a stone pyramid to have their hearts ripped from their chest to ensure a good harvest.

The greatest advances of our time are kept secret, hidden and withheld from the public for years. Things that could and should be available to all are kept back for those with money. Ignorance is taught to ensure profits for the big companies, who get all the breaks and none of the consequences.

If the governments had taken the bail out money they gave to the banks, and instead split it up evenly amongst the people, the money would still have ended up going to the banks, but by being put in at the bottom up, it would have fed the economy on it's way. Instead it just went into the banks and evaporated.

It's only when individuals do the right thing because it is the right thing, instead of what they stand to profit from it, that we can begin to call ourselves civilised.



You might enjoy this...





posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 01:08 AM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by mc_squared
Here is my biggest problem with Capitalism:
It is inherently prone to corruption.


Really? Can you name something that is not prone to corruption?


Most things are indeed prone to corruption - thanks for pointing that out. Now maybe you can take note of the part where I wrote the word "inherently" in front and underlined it. Might be a specific reason for that...in fact that was the point of my entire post.



Capitalism has brought wealth and prosperity to the world. Socialism has brought destruction and genocide.
Case closed.



Capitalism has brought disproportionate wealth and prosperity to an extremely small portion of the world, at the expense of the rest of it, both present and future generations. Oh, but who cares about them right - clearly they're just too stupid and lazy for this dog eat dog world. Besides, you said "case closed", so I guess that's that then.



In fact I really don't understand the point of your entire response at all. You simply took everything I wrote and decided to contradict it - without any actual supporting facts or logic, just a bunch of hyperbolic rhetoric about gulags and genocide.



What is that supposed to contribute to this conversation?



I'm sorry, but I find the fact that you are a mod and that's the best response you can come up with as real indicative of how much ATS has gone down the toilet over the last 4 years.

The polemic, blind, narrow-minded blabber of right-wing ideologists has absolutely DESTROYED any hope of intelligent discourse on this website anymore. So many good members have packed up their stuff and left because of it, and it's really sad.



So go right ahead and look at Capitalism through rose-colored glasses, while clinging to some delusional Mcarthyist perversion of anything that questions what you've been told to worship and believe.


Anyone who can't (or more likely, doesn't want to) grasp how much free-market capitalism is a totally bull**** ponzi scheme that has pillaged the planet of it's resources, stolen from disadvantaged nations, exploited the poor and destroyed the middle class, killed the environment, and created a completely unsustainable fake economic "prosperity" that is set to collapse on itself any day now - is *in my opinion* a totally blind and willfully ignorant waste of time.

"Case closed".



posted on Feb, 7 2012 @ 01:13 AM
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Originally posted by petrus4
There is no real point trying to argue that with anyone here however, I'm starting to realise. A minority of people have reacted very positively; but the single most tragic thing about this forum, is the number of people here who are utterly brainwashed, conservative drones. They very obviously have no clue whatsoever why they believe what they do; all they do is regurgitate what they have been told. If you try and ask them to elaborate beyond the canned bullet points they have inside their heads, their arguments almost immediately fall apart.



Yup.

I used to try to reason with them too, until I quickly learned how pointless and futile it is. The only answer I have for you is look up some of the many threads on ATS pertaining to right wing vs. left-wing thinking.

See for example:
Brain structure differs in liberals, conservatives: study

Evidentally it's genetic: right-wing brains are physically dominated by fear, while "left-wing" thought (whatever that even means any more) is geared towards complexity and problem solving.

I know many members find this characterization horribly prejudice, but honestly - read enough "debates" on ATS and you will easily see the proof is in the pudding.

Virtually all right-wing arguments are dominated by fear-laced rhetoric - from all their McCarthyist rants about socialism, to their xenophobic views on foreign affairs, to their hypocritically alarmist opinions on supposed enivironmental "alarmism".


It's not exactly reassuring to know this propensity for paranoid yahoo-ism comes straight from the physical make-up of their cranial matter, but I guess it does bring some strange peace of mind to at least know there is a tangible, discernible reason for it - other than just sheer unbelievable stupidity.




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