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Originally posted by truthRconsequences357
Saul Alinsky would be proud of some of you because this is how he trains his comrades to think.
The Saul Alinsky Flock!
Even Hungarian,felon George Soros has jumped on the Marxist bandwagon after Capitalism made him a billionaire.
Knowing George Sorosedit on 5-2-2012 by truthRconsequences357 because: (no reason given)edit on 5-2-2012 by truthRconsequences357 because: LO of
Originally posted by AwakeinNM
Capitalism:
Originally posted by mc_squared
Here is my biggest problem with Capitalism:
It is inherently prone to corruption.
What I mean by that is - it is fundamentally doomed, by human nature, to lead towards an unjust and immoral system.
Originally posted by daskakik
You seem to have brought up the people who have escaped Cuba as proof that Cubans were not behind the revolution. Both were Cuban. Simple as that.
Originally posted by daskakik
Your the one posting things and then trying to pass them off as my words. That pic shows who is the one making exaggerated claims.
Originally posted by ImaFungi
also why do you think you cannot be rewarded or have freedom in a socialistic society... say everyone works 4 to 5 days a week, you can work extra and make more, i dont see why not... you can be free to do whatever you want.. if there is not a business venture within the society you can create one and run it?
the biggest reason im advocating for a change is because id rather everyone get to live?
your argument is fcuk em,, im exceptional
“The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism.” Karl Marx quotes (German political Philosopher and revolutionary, 1818-1883)
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
At first castro said it wasn't socialism that he was going to implement, then when he took power he said he implemented a socialist system on Cuba, many of his men turned against him, more so for the things castro and his henchemen were doing to Cubans, and castro sent che guevara, among others to kill those Cubans that realized they had made a mistake... che also murdered the heads of families, and even some children who didn't want to help them and were helping those Cubans who were turning against castro.
That picture shows what people with common sense will do about socialism/communism...
You, and your leftwist friend have no freaking idea of what you are talking about, NOTHING I said is an exageration, but your ignorance, and of course since you are a leftwinger, you don't want to admit the truth of socialism/communism...
Unless you have family in Cuba, and who were on both sides of the conflict you don't know what in the world you are talking about...
Speaking of those traumtised by previous experience of a communist dictator ElectricUniverse if you have any time away from point scoring, I'd like to ask you if you could contrast the Cuban experience of Communism with that of the Socialist Federal Republic of Jugoslavija? I ask because you have made a numbe of blanket statements about Communism which do not cover the Yugoslav experience. As I stated in my previous post, the successor countries of the former Yugoslavia (excepting Slovenia) which today are supposed democracies are still worse off than they were under Tito's Communism. Serbia, Croatia, Macedonia, Montenegro and Kosovo are if anything more riddled with corruption than they ever were under the Communists. How does that tally with your opinion?
Originally posted by DZAG Wright
Throw away your learned definitions of Socialism and Capitalism and use your OWN brain for a few moments.
You are arguing over definitions theolized by gentleman in the 18th and 19th centuries! Use YOUR eyes and minds to see what's going on.
To address the hatred of Socialism I will go here: How can ANY human being who is good of heart be against something designed to bring everyone together?
I mean really think about this...if you want to break down good and evil what is the one thing necessary to implement evil? You need to separate the people! It's the reason I dry face at the bible when it's said God was unhappy with the humans organizing and attempting to build a Tower, he then came down and caused the people to have confused tongues. Why would a good God want to cause confusion and war?
What I see here are plenty of people who are in support of evil/Satan and aren't even aware. Yelling that they basically want and deserve the Right to be selfish and only concerned with themselves!
As has been stated, we haven't really had Socialism practiced yet except for a brief attempt by Spain.
Everything else was tyrannical rule "labeled" as Socialism.
If I hand you a apple and tell you it's a orange....would you tell me it's an apple or an orange? Could you tell the difference? If you answer yes....why can you not admit that the countries commonly listed as Socialist, weren't really such?
It has also been stated WHY Socialism was made to look as evil and bad as possible.
If you didn't catch it, let me repeat it for you slowly: SOCIALISM WAS MADE TO LOOK BAD BECAUSE THE PSYCHO'S ARE ADDICTED TO THEIR POWER AND IF EVERYONE IS PRETTY MUCH EVIL AND SELF SUFFICIENT....WHERE WOULD THEY FIND THEIR DUMMIES TO ABUSE AND MAKE WORK FOR THEM???
Originally posted by mc_squared
Here is my biggest problem with Capitalism:
It is inherently prone to corruption.
What I mean by that is - it is fundamentally doomed, by human nature, to lead towards an unjust and immoral system.
Because think about it: Capitalism is predicated on this principle that individual motivation, i.e. personal "ambition", is what breeds the most successful overall system. The more you want something - the harder you work for it, etc.But the problem is - in our society unfortunately - the most "ambitious" people are almost always NOT the hardest working.
They are in fact simply the ones who will do anything to get to the top, absent of ethics or empathy towards others. That means they lie, cheat, steal, and collude amongst themselves to get there and squeeze others out.
So Capitalism, held unchecked, naturally leads to a system run by the exact sort of criminals in government and big business we see today (surprise, surprise!).
But in Capitalism it's almost like you're stacking the deck with the worst kind of building blocks right from the very start.
They hijack and exploit the system, and pretty soon all the actual hard-working people are nothing more than their personal wage slaves anyway, working hard and fighting each other for what's left of the table scraps.
This is where the real crux of the problem lies stuck in the mud.
Originally posted by Skyfloating
May I ask how many corporation-produced products, apart from your computer, foods and beverages, you use every day? Have you ever expressed gratitude to corporations for providing them to you? Let me guess: Not only have you never expressed gratitude, you never even considered where all your wealth comes from.
Originally posted by daskakik
Actually their wealth comes from their employees and from me buying their products and/or services.
Originally posted by daskakik
Why should anyone pay gratitude to a corporation or business?