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Originally posted by ImaFungi
reply to post by colin42
when you guys bring up human nature it is always how negative human nature is.. look at humanity, the majority of people dont kill each other every day running around pissin and snippin all over the streets..... we highlight the bright side and positive side.. we wish to politely suggest a system where all humans dont need to use their more dark human nature against other humans... we banded together to form community, communeity, because it was easier working together, pooling skills and sights, fending off nature as a group... dont abandon us now and regress to your evil apeish ways.. most life seeks the light
True perfection seems imperfect,
yet it is perfectly itself.
True fullness seems empty,
yet it is fully present.
True straightness seems crooked.
True wisdom seems foolish.
True art seems artless.
The Master allows things to happen.
She shapes events as they come.
She steps out of the way
and lets the Tao speak for itself.
When a country is in harmony with the Tao,
the factories make trucks and tractors.
When a country goes counter to the Tao,
warheads are stockpiled outside the cities.
There is no greater illusion than fear,
no greater wrong than preparing to defend yourself,
no greater misfortune than having an enemy.
Whoever can see through all fear
will always be safe.
If a country is governed with tolerance,
the people are comfortable and honest.
If a country is governed with repression,
the people are depressed and crafty.
When the will to power is in charge,
the higher the ideals, the lower the results.
Try to make people happy,
and you lay the groundwork for misery.
Try to make people moral,
and you lay the groundwork for vice.
Thus the Master is content
to serve as an example
and not to impose her will.
She is pointed, but doesn't pierce.
Straightforward, but supple.
Radiant, but easy on the eyes.
Originally posted by petrus4
Go and read about what the British East India Company did to India, for starters.
Originally posted by ImaFungi
everything that humans create is ideal... your neighborhood, your supermarket, your roads, bridges, technology, cars, buildings, beautiful accomplishments of architecture. the systems, institutions, alll of its ideal
Originally posted by lifeissacred
People need to come to terms with the fact that there is no Utopian system, that someone will lose whatever 19th/20th century European intellectuals you're into following. Someone will always profit at the expense of someone else's loss, that is the way of humanity, nature at large and the whole universe.
Each person has their own agenda, stated or not, and disagreements about what the collective should be doing will ALWAYS arise. Without a designated adult in the room (CEO if you will) and an incentive or motivation to pull in the same direction at the expense of their own agenda, the socialist collective WILL dissolve or at least break down.
Capitalism enables me, as an individual, to pursue what motivates me by offering an ideological agnostic medium (money) separate from the collective. i.e. I don't have to drink the Kool Aid!
In other words, the greed inherent in human nature motivates me to subjugate my individual tastes & desires to a larger enterprise. Greed will ALWAYS undermine and destroy your utopian socialist dream and devolve it into either Fascism or Communism. EVERY SINGLE TIME!!!!