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Why my mind is closing towards Capitalism

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posted on Feb, 3 2012 @ 12:13 AM
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Originally posted by Shred
reply to post by mastahunta
 


Communists, not "left wing communists" because that doesn't make sense. The national socialists were leftists themselves. As I've pointed out yes they were each others biggest enemies because both had their own view of how socialism should work and both viewed the other as a threat. The USSR wanted the whole world to rise up in a communist revolution while the Germans wanted to form a German socialist utopia.


OK, I'll will pose it to you, please provide us with the name of the Right Wing opponents
to the NAZI party... Surely you can do that for us, I am waiting.




posted on Feb, 3 2012 @ 12:14 AM
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reply to post by petrus4
 



I'm tired of living in a society which treats any human beings like disposable garbage; and I'm especially tired of hearing people who advocate Capitalism, saying that such a situation is perfectly fine, and even express contempt towards the people in said situations.

I am not saying I have any definite idea of how to, just yet; but I think we can do better...and I think we have to.


Quoted for truth. Your thread is too important that is why there are capitalists here promoting a system which isn't good for the planet.

Have you checked out Fanfare for Effective Freedom, Cybernetic Praxis in Government?
williambowles.info/sa/FanfareforEffectiveFreedom.pdf

Dr. Salvador Allende's social economics program in Chile was just getting started when the filthy and disgusting capitalist pig dogs killed him.

It's important to realize how much is at stake when a country "goes red" like Chile did with Allende. The psychopaths who hold the wealth will have you all killed before you can implement the plans.



posted on Feb, 3 2012 @ 12:14 AM
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Originally posted by ANOK

Originally posted by aravoth

Whats wrong with it? I'm going to have to be the one that pays for it. You are willing to steal from someone else to pay for your own mistakes.


Capitalists have been stealing from the people since the end of feudalism.

They steal from workers when they take profit from the workers. Why should someone get rich off my labour?


edit on 2/3/2012 by ANOK because: typo


Why should laborers get rich off of my ideas?



posted on Feb, 3 2012 @ 12:15 AM
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I think the old school line is still relevant, and the compass just made to fit the twisted ideology of the new right.

I mean 'libertarian right'? To me that is an oxymoron as the term traditionally means anarchism. Anarchism can not be right wing.



The original political meanings of ‘left’ and ‘right’ have changed since their origin in the French estates general in 1789. There the people sitting on the left could be viewed as more or less anti-statists with those on the right being state-interventionists of one kind or another. In this interpretation of the pristine sense, libertarianism was clearly at the extreme left-wing.

www.la-articles.org.uk...


edit on 2/3/2012 by ANOK because: typo



posted on Feb, 3 2012 @ 12:15 AM
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Originally posted by mastahunta



I am not going to attack your intelligence, even though you just attacked mine with that rhetorical
contraption...


Wow, so I responded in the same manner as you addressed me, but you want to accuse me of starting to insult your intelligence?... Yet ANOTHER FAIL...



Originally posted by mastahunta
So, please tell us the name of the Right Wing party in Germany that opposed the Nazi's.
If I am full of crap surely you can do that in 10 seconds... GO!

Clock is ticking


Wow... do tell us, what in the world does that have ANYTHING to do with HItler being a SOCIALIST?...

Ok, let's do this, can you tell us the name of the rightwing party in Cuba that has opposed castro's party since the Cuban revolution?...

clock is ticking...go...



posted on Feb, 3 2012 @ 12:17 AM
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Originally posted by aravoth

Originally posted by ANOK

Originally posted by aravoth

Whats wrong with it? I'm going to have to be the one that pays for it. You are willing to steal from someone else to pay for your own mistakes.


Capitalists have been stealing from the people since the end of feudalism.

They steal from workers when they take profit from the workers. Why should someone get rich off my labour?


edit on 2/3/2012 by ANOK because: typo


Why should laborers get rich off of my ideas?


Why not ensure that everyone has a good existence since we all have live here?



posted on Feb, 3 2012 @ 12:18 AM
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Originally posted by Leo Strauss
If something could be placed structurally into an anarchist system that would protect the people from individual power hungry psychopaths that would surely rise to challenge a seemingly weak system of government. Especially with the emphasis on liberty.

You know the famous quote...attributed to the great monopolist, capitalist, oligarch, robber baron, Jay Gould..."I can hire one half of the working class to kill the other half."

They always throw us into the pit of winners and losers to fight...and unfortunately we always do.


In a strictly horizontal organization (i.e. an Anarchist organization), there would be no position of power to hold in the first place. Also, there are many structural blocks any community could put into place to prevent the power-hungry from taking some sort of power. It'd actually be much easier to prevent in a horizontal group than a hierarchical group which LENDS itself to power structures/authority.

We can also look to tribal societies and their methods of handling such occurrences. I don't know any off the top of my head but I know I've read about some. Typically it comes in the form of exiling or shaming people who try to grab power... and in such a group, social shame is far more powerful and justified than hierarchical coercion.




posted on Feb, 3 2012 @ 12:20 AM
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reply to post by ElectricUniverse
 


Ideas should be shared in order to make a better society for everyone.

Keeping them for yourself is what is wrong with capitalism. It is what creates a society with a huge divide in wealth.

Mansions surrounded by ghettos.



posted on Feb, 3 2012 @ 12:20 AM
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Originally posted by ANOK

Originally posted by aravoth

Whats wrong with it? I'm going to have to be the one that pays for it. You are willing to steal from someone else to pay for your own mistakes.


Capitalists have been stealing from the people since the end of feudalism.

They steal from workers when they take profit from the workers. Why should someone get rich off my labour?


edit on 2/3/2012 by ANOK because: typo


Because they are meanies that will kill you if don't cooperate and because they are better than you and because you are too stupid to stop them. Didn't you know that?



posted on Feb, 3 2012 @ 12:20 AM
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Originally posted by mastahunta

Why not ensure that everyone has a good existence since we all have live here?


How is that ensured when people cannot own anything?...

How is that ensured when the government controls everything and has all power but people have none?...

How is that ensured with a couple of ideologies which history has shown bring nothing but suffering and death to the people?...



posted on Feb, 3 2012 @ 12:21 AM
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Originally posted by aravoth

Originally posted by ANOK

Originally posted by aravoth

Whats wrong with it? I'm going to have to be the one that pays for it. You are willing to steal from someone else to pay for your own mistakes.


Capitalists have been stealing from the people since the end of feudalism.

They steal from workers when they take profit from the workers. Why should someone get rich off my labour?


edit on 2/3/2012 by ANOK because: typo


Why should laborers get rich off of my ideas?


Because you can't enact your ideas without your laborers help. What have you to lose if you give them some dignity and real say in their position at the table??



posted on Feb, 3 2012 @ 12:21 AM
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Originally posted by mastahunta

Originally posted by aravoth

Originally posted by ANOK

Originally posted by aravoth

Whats wrong with it? I'm going to have to be the one that pays for it. You are willing to steal from someone else to pay for your own mistakes.


Capitalists have been stealing from the people since the end of feudalism.

They steal from workers when they take profit from the workers. Why should someone get rich off my labour?


edit on 2/3/2012 by ANOK because: typo


Why should laborers get rich off of my ideas?


Why not ensure that everyone has a good existence since we all have live here?


So you think retractable needles, and pace-makers were invented for "the good of existence"?



posted on Feb, 3 2012 @ 12:22 AM
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Originally posted by NoHierarchy

Originally posted by aravoth

Originally posted by ANOK

Originally posted by aravoth

Whats wrong with it? I'm going to have to be the one that pays for it. You are willing to steal from someone else to pay for your own mistakes.


Capitalists have been stealing from the people since the end of feudalism.

They steal from workers when they take profit from the workers. Why should someone get rich off my labour?


edit on 2/3/2012 by ANOK because: typo


Why should laborers get rich off of my ideas?


Because you can't enact your ideas without your laborers help. What have you to lose if you give them some dignity and real say in their position at the table??


Oh yes I can, I did it for years, like I said earlier, I could automate the entire process and fire everyone, it would save me a ton of money in the long run.



posted on Feb, 3 2012 @ 12:22 AM
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Originally posted by ANOK
reply to post by NoHierarchy
 


I think the old school line is still relevant, and the compass just made to fit the twisted ideology of the new right.

I mean 'libertarian right'? To me that is an oxymoron as the term traditionally means anarchism. Anarchism can not be right wing.



The original political meanings of ‘left’ and ‘right’ have changed since their origin in the French estates general in 1789. There the people sitting on the left could be viewed as more or less anti-statists with those on the right being state-interventionists of one kind or another. In this interpretation of the pristine sense, libertarianism was clearly at the extreme left-wing.

www.la-articles.org.uk...


edit on 2/3/2012 by ANOK because: typo


I can agree to a large extent. I'm uneasy in considering any room for right/libertarian... perhaps the spectrum could be altered in a geometric way... where the libertarian right can have some of its depth shaved off of the libertarian axis and the left would have a deeper libertarian potential?



posted on Feb, 3 2012 @ 12:24 AM
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Originally posted by aravoth

Originally posted by NoHierarchy

Originally posted by aravoth

Originally posted by ANOK

Originally posted by aravoth

Whats wrong with it? I'm going to have to be the one that pays for it. You are willing to steal from someone else to pay for your own mistakes.


Capitalists have been stealing from the people since the end of feudalism.

They steal from workers when they take profit from the workers. Why should someone get rich off my labour?


edit on 2/3/2012 by ANOK because: typo


Why should laborers get rich off of my ideas?


Because you can't enact your ideas without your laborers help. What have you to lose if you give them some dignity and real say in their position at the table??


Oh yes I can, I did it for years, like I said earlier, I could automate the entire process and fire everyone, it would save me a ton of money in the long run.


Ok... then why not do that??



posted on Feb, 3 2012 @ 12:24 AM
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Originally posted by ANOK

Ideas should be shared in order to make a better society for everyone.

Keeping them for yourself is what is wrong with capitalism. It is what creates a society with a huge divide in wealth.

Mansions surrounded by ghettos.


Individuality shouldn't be given up for any reason, even "for the good of all"...

The free will of every INDIVIDUAL shouldn't be given up for any reason, not even for "the good of all"...

When you give away individual freedom "for the good of all" EVERYONE'S freedom is taken away...

It should be the choice of the person what to do with the ideas he/she had... It shouldn't be imposed on them what to do with their ideas...



posted on Feb, 3 2012 @ 12:25 AM
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reply to post by petrus4
 



I am not saying I have any definite idea of how to, just yet; but I think we can do better...and I think we have to.


We can start by purging the bankers and making sure they don't ever come back.



posted on Feb, 3 2012 @ 12:25 AM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Wow... do tell us, what in the world does that have ANYTHING to do with HItler being a SOCIALIST?...

Ok, let's do this, can you tell us the name of the rightwing party in Cuba that has opposed castro's party since the Cuban revolution?...

clock is ticking...go...


La Contra Dora

.........

Gee, well on the planet Earth politics generally have two sides, are you telling me that
Hitler didn't have any opposition?

So if Hitler is a left winger you can tell us the name of the party that opposed his Left
wing ideology.

La Contra Dora



posted on Feb, 3 2012 @ 12:25 AM
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Originally posted by aravoth

Originally posted by theubermensch

Originally posted by aravoth

Originally posted by theubermensch

Originally posted by aravoth

Originally posted by theubermensch
reply to post by ElectricUniverse
 


Hitler was a socialist and he did alot of good things for Germany and the workers.

To say Hitler was a socialist as if that proves socialism doesnt work is as strawman as the rest of what you are saying.


He sure did didn't he, especially that part when he smashed out the windows of every Jewish business, that was probably really good for the German worker!!



It was great for them yes. Affirmative Action for the worker.


Yeah.......

You are a disgusting human being. But hey, hope that socialist, "Hitler was a great dude" thing works out for ya!


I never said he was a great dude did I? I said he did alot for the German worker. Do you deny that?

Or is Hitler just Emmanuel Goldstein to you?


No no, he did a lot for the German worker, like eliminating roughly 6 million people out of the German workforce forever, and guess what that did?

Thats right! Created artificial scarcity!! Man People must have loved him, I bet every German who wanted a job got one after that.

Good point! Socialism works like a charm every single time.
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Despite near-constant warfare, not once during his 12 years in power did Hitler raise taxes for working class people.He offered German Soldiers more than double the salary and benifits of the American or British Soldiers. And he introduced many social benifits.

He did alot for the German Worker. There is no question.
.



posted on Feb, 3 2012 @ 12:26 AM
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Originally posted by NoHierarchy

Originally posted by aravoth

Originally posted by NoHierarchy

Originally posted by aravoth

Originally posted by ANOK

Originally posted by aravoth

Whats wrong with it? I'm going to have to be the one that pays for it. You are willing to steal from someone else to pay for your own mistakes.


Capitalists have been stealing from the people since the end of feudalism.

They steal from workers when they take profit from the workers. Why should someone get rich off my labour?


edit on 2/3/2012 by ANOK because: typo


Why should laborers get rich off of my ideas?


Because you can't enact your ideas without your laborers help. What have you to lose if you give them some dignity and real say in their position at the table??


Oh yes I can, I did it for years, like I said earlier, I could automate the entire process and fire everyone, it would save me a ton of money in the long run.


Ok... then why not do that??


I'm actually planning on doing just that, but thats years away. I know, I'm everything wrong with the world.
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