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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
reply to post by petrus4
I am not saying it is ok for there being people going hungry, but in socialism/communism the MAJORITY goes hungry and are poor.
Production greatly increased. Technicians and agronomists helped the peasants to make better use of the land. Scientific methods were introduced and in some areas yields increased by as much as 50%. Food was handed over to the supply committees who looked after distribution in the urban areas.
As I have said, and proved several times the reason why there is so much poverty and suffering in countries like the Republic of the United States is because Americans allowed "progressives/leftwingers" to implement their ideas.
Whoever controls the economy of a nation, controls that nation, and leftwingers/progressive democrats gave power over the economy of the Republic of the United States to the rich bankers and they created a central bank.
Central banks, and centralization/consolidaiton of power is part of socialism and communism.
In communism the 5th plank out of 10 is the creation of a central bank.
In socialism/communism cooperative enterprises/corporations are allowed to control the nation.
It is because of socialist/communist ideas that the Republic of the United States, and in fact the world is in so much s#it.
Originally posted by Skyfloating
Originally posted by Paschar0
What if your worker is inclined to agree to $1 an hour. .
Thats called free will / self-responsibility. A notion many socialist academics try to debunk.
Originally posted by Transilience
True socialism and communism is supposed to be completely egalitarian, where private property is abandoned in favor of collective property.
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs (Karl Marx himself)".
the regime in North Korea has nothing to do with true communism or socialism (there's a big difference between those two as well).
I'm as of yet still in favor of a Resource-based Economy described by Jacque Fresco and backed by the Zeitgeist Movement which would be closer to an anarcho-communist society
Originally posted by Skyfloating
True. I havent seen a single immigrant from a socialist or quasi-socialist country who does not embrace capitalism.
Originally posted by AwakeinNM
Originally posted by UdonNiedtuno
Originally posted by AwakeinNM
Originally posted by fuchow
Hey op, and everyone.
I think that you`d like the book "23 things they don't tell you about capitalism". I ran into it today, and saw your thread by chance. look it up in youtube, i think there's an audio version.
and yeah, too much sweet talk and "free market will fix it" on the internets nowadays.
You can spin anything in your favor if you're a good enough BS artist.
Not buying it.
Is this ironic to anyone else?
I'm guessing you're a socialist from the typical "I know you are but what am I?" response.
Originally posted by aching_knuckles
Hey Skyfloating, instead of a picture of Pyongyang, how about a picture of Oslo? You have heard of Norway, right? It is a beautiful country...and the most taxed in the world.
Originally posted by Skyfloating
Originally posted by theubermensch
Imperialism Pyonyang's problem.
This blaming socialists economical problems on others only increases a socialists problems. Thats what is flawed about socialism from the onset: Playing on Blame instead of playing the Game.
A revolution derailed. Korea’s history helps greatly in understanding what’s going on today. The Japanese empire occupied Korea from 1910 until its World War II defeat in 1945. While partially industrializing the country, Japan looted its natural resources, undermined its ancient culture, and brutally repressed popular uprisings...
Originally posted by Skyfloating
Originally posted by aching_knuckles
Hey Skyfloating, instead of a picture of Pyongyang, how about a picture of Oslo? You have heard of Norway, right? It is a beautiful country...and the most taxed in the world.
The Norway card again (and second time in this thread!). Norway finances itself by having only a few Million inhabitats while producing Billions of Barrels of oil each year. Its pretty easy to run a social-democrat state (Norway is not socialist) in those conditions.
Originally posted by ANOK
Their poverty is due to other countries interfering with them...
Do the workers there own the means of production?
This is capitalism in China...
Originally posted by aching_knuckles
Oh, I see, then this is "an exception" and not to be counted.
Originally posted by jtma508
Capitalism can probably works as long as the playing field is kept level and competition is encouraged, not stifled. Let's consider the game of Monopoly. Imagine if the game allowed the person with the most money to change the rules at will. Create additional money out of thin air. Roll again on a bad roll. Get out of jail whenever. Never have to pay taxes or any of the other charges that come up during the game. They'll quickly get all the property and money and then ---- Game Over. Guess what, it's Game Over. The WealthyElite have steadily accumulated most of the wealth and are now sparring over the very last crumbs.
Originally posted by Skyfloating
Originally posted by aching_knuckles
Oh, I see, then this is "an exception" and not to be counted.
Norway has about 5 Million people while exporting about 50 Billion barrels of oil a year. This has made it one of the wealthiest nations on earth. Their good state has nothing at all to do with socialism.
Im sorry if the facts dont agree with your communist propaganda.edit on 2-2-2012 by Skyfloating because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Skyfloating
Originally posted by biggmoneyme
i have come to see how primitive capitalism really is recently.
I always thought it was interesting to look at the resulting architecture of various ideologies. Fascists usually have grandiose megalomaniac architecture while socialists the extreme opposite, uniformly bleak architecture. You can learn a lot about the mentality of socialists by looking at their buildings. When the iron curtain fell people were shocked to see endless expanses of utopian socialist housing.
Ive shown Pyonyang in this thread, now introducing socialist city planning in Novosibirsk (formerly Soviet Union)...
You have to wonder why socialists keep using the word "primitive" to describe us. Psychological Projection?
edit on 2-2-2012 by Skyfloating because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Skyfloating
The last shift of thread-posters also blamed NKs problems on others (including U.S. Capitalists). NK has itself to blame because it has been instituting socialist central planning since decades.
Communists need to stop blaming others for their problems. As I said before, a capitalist has a problem and blames himself, a socialist has a problem and blames others.
The NK means of production are owned collectively.
China is still Communist, even if it is now implementing a few capitalistic ideas (it had to, otherwise you'd be seeing many more starving children there).