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Why my mind is closing towards Capitalism

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posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 05:09 AM
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LOL yes, and just so you guys know.. I don't like to troll I do like to talk and in fact politics are probably the worst topic for me. But we are all human and I hold that experience higher than any...so if any want to shoot the # and leave our differences to be different I am all for that.




posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 05:11 AM
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posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 05:19 AM
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You forgot to say 'Woodrow Wilson'



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 05:22 AM
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One thing I could do is possibly set up a thread where politics are forbidden and if you need to reach me you can post in that thread. About anything and nothing would be considered off topic. I do think it would be more constructive than the type of bickering we are all guilty of on political topics on ATS, that way we could share our human experiences together. For better or worse. It would be more constructive than political trolling and bickering.



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 05:47 AM
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posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 05:53 AM
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posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 05:54 AM
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Originally posted by aching_knuckles

Originally posted by ANOK

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
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No, I don't agree with slavery. But I can see how and why we had it.

I believe in the constitution, All men are created equal.


Equality in a capitalist economy?


LOL

Dont expect him to get that, but it is so true....all of these hardcore right wingers believe say they believe in the Constitution and all its ideals...then constantly spit on them.


Funny how you socialists label everyone who doesn't agree with you as "hardcore right wingers" or something similar. As if everyone is out to get you.



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 05:55 AM
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posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 05:56 AM
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You are thinking of liberals.
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posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 06:18 AM
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Does it always have to be that way?

It seems that some are more than content with things being as #ty as they are.

As for systems, I wonder if a hybrid system of socialism and capitalism could work?



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 06:18 AM
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Originally posted by petrus4

Somebody always goes hungry;



Socialism and Capitalism strongly differ on the causes why someone goes hungry. We capitalists believe it is not because of the capitalist that someone goes hungry. If anything, the capitalist creates jobs, opportunities and infrastructure that elevates society as a whole so that you have less hungry people. According to us, the person goes hungry not because of successful people but because either lack of education, bad circumstances, lack of goals or bad luck.

A socialist believes that "making money is taking money". Their idea is that if I make money I must be taking it from somewhere. A Capitalist believes that "creating value is making money". So rather than taking from society, we give to society. Steve Jobs, for example, first had to give to society, before people gave him money.

All socialist countries eventually go broke. These fruits of socialism reveal that what sounds and looks idealistic on paper must be flawed. This is the look and feel of socialism, the city center of Pyonyang, which was built on socialist principles:



This is the look and feel of Singapore, which was made on capitalist principles:


Singapore represents pure Capitalism, Pyonyang represents pure Socialism.

In Pyonyang there is more equality - all people are equally poor.

Singapore people are at different levels of income, with relative "poverty" being at less than 1%.

Capitalism does not strive for perfection. Socialism is totalitarian in that it strives for perfection for ALL people, instead of having the people define their own life and level.

A little bit of socialism (or central / government planning) may be good for a country (like poison in small doses can be healthy), but just a little too much of it and you kill peoples spirits.

What do YOU want the world to look like? Do you want it to look more like Pyonyang or more like Singapore?
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posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 06:19 AM
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posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 06:24 AM
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TextWhat do YOU want the world to look like? Do you want it to look more like Pyonyang or more like Singapore?


Both exist in a Capitalist Imperial Empire. Its like saying Germany is socialist. It has elements but it exists in a Capitalist Imperial Empire.

Imperialisms Pyonyang's problem.
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posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 06:26 AM
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Originally posted by theubermensch

Imperialism Pyonyang's problem.


This blaming socialists economical problems on others only increases a socialists problems. Thats what is flawed about socialism from the onset: Playing on Blame instead of playing the Game.



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 06:32 AM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by theubermensch

Imperialism Pyonyang's problem.


This blaming socialists economical problems on others only increases a socialists problems. Thats what is flawed about socialism from the onset: Playing on Blame instead of playing the Game.



I dont think its wrong to blame the cause. And the cause is capitalism.

How long can you defend capitalism? Til the bitter end?



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 06:36 AM
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Originally posted by theubermensch

I dont think its wrong to blame the cause. And the cause is capitalism.

How long can you defend capitalism? Til the bitter end?


My original post in this thread has actually proven the opposite of what you said. I can demonstrate, back up and qualify my statements with historical facts. Take this for example:

How socialism destroyed Africa

I will defend Capitalism "till the end", because I dont want my world to look like Pyonyang, Zimbabwe, Venezuela, Cuba and other socialist paradises.

I agree with your statement that Capitalism is cause. It is cause of most of the wealth of the world.



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 06:42 AM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by theubermensch

I dont think its wrong to blame the cause. And the cause is capitalism.

How long can you defend capitalism? Til the bitter end?


My original post in this thread has actually proven the opposite of what you said. I can demonstrate, back up and qualify my statements with historical facts. Take this for example:

How socialism destroyed Africa

I will defend Capitalism "till the end", because I dont want my world to look like Pyonyang, Zimbabwe, Venezuela, Cuba and other socialist paradises.

I agree with your statement that Capitalism is cause. It is cause of most of the wealth of the world.


Thats crazy. Capitalist Imperialist destroy Africa over and over.

What do you think Libya was about? Remember Scarkozy saying the African Dinar was a "threat to humanities financial security" ? You remember that? What he meant was a threat to capitalism. Cant have that now can we?



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 07:00 AM
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Originally posted by theubermensch

Thats crazy.


Rather than knee-jerk responses and attacks...




Capitalist Imperialist destroy Africa over and over.


...and marxist slogans that have been debunked decades ago...

...can you form one single coherent thought to address what I have brought up in posts or display your own theory of politics?



What do you think Libya was about?


Libya became a trash-can of a country through its socialist policies. When you cross the border from Libya to Egypt, it makes Egypt look like a paradise of the rich.

You have already blamed North Koreas situation on capitalists, now you're also blaming Africas situation on them. If these countries want to become prosperous and free capitalist countries they will have to stop blaming and start taking responsibility for their situation.



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 07:01 AM
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The use of MONEY is what is holding back humans. You think money is what solves problems? If anything money is what slows down the process. You can come up with any ISM or ARCHY word you want for a system if money is involved then we have made no progress. Really think about it? What is the role of money? What is the only variable that never changes from system to system in last thousands of years ? Money........call me crazy, but I know this is hard to understand and that it's radical. However, we need to spiritually grow and forget about money. I think that this is the right path to take!



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 07:05 AM
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Economics and compassion should not be at odds with each other.


You are right, but modern economic theorist have worked very hard to separate morality from economic activits. Milton Friedman, for instance, coined the ideas that the sole concern of corporations should be to increase profits and share prices, no matter the externalised cost for society and that corporation and business are inherently amoral but that the application of morality to business or corporations is immoral.

Capitalism, left to its own devices, not well regulated, devolves into self-interested psychopathy; much like a child left to be raised by wolves in the forest will learn to act as more beast than man.



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