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posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 01:50 AM
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Ok, first, before you response, please state your religion, and which God you belief in.


No religion...

Father of Jesus.. the one


1- Does a person (soul, etc.) exist 1+ years before a person is born? Where are "people" 1+ years before birth. What is the difference in the "state" your in when your die, and 1+ years before you're born?


All souls have always existed from the beginning... before life they were with him


2- Due to the fact that there are trillions upon trillions of stars out there, and most have planets, let's assume that LIFE exists outside of planet Earth

How does this square with your God / religion? For example, for Christians, how can "Genesis" be correct if there is other planets with life?


Im sure hes fine with it considering HE deisigned it...

BTW Genesis is flawed


Does everybody not born on Earth go to hell?


LOL noo...

The only ones that go there are those that believe in such a place... at death their guilt and belief in said firey torment lands them in "hell"... Just my opinion of course...

I prefer to believe such a place does not exist..


How can anything in the Bible be God's word if there is intelligent life outside of the world?


The bible isn't Gods word... though IT can be found within its pages


For hindu, and or other religions, how are you confident that billions of people that don't agree with your religion will go to


Hindu do not believe in hell as far as i know... and if they do its designed for those that refuse to learn... I could be wrong... I've read their bible, its brilliant...


4- And last question. How do you know that your (insert God) and your (insert Religion) is not an Alien, or Aliens, ?


My God is within all life... and is not limited to any life form...





posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 03:57 AM
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Originally posted by Confusion42
Hello All

I have some questions, and I hope the fine folks here at ATS can answer them.

Ok, first, before you response, please state your religion, and which God you belief in.



1- Does a person (soul, etc.) exist 1+ years before a person is born? Where are "people" 1+ years before birth. What is the difference in the "state" your in when your die, and 1+ years before you're born?


2- Due to the fact that there are trillions upon trillions of stars out there, and most have planets, let's assume that LIFE exists outside of planet Earth

How does this square with your God / religion? For example, for Christians, how can "Genesis" be correct if there is other planets with life? Does everybody not born on Earth go to hell? How can anything in the Bible be God's word if there is intelligent life outside of the world?

For your Muslim's, same question. How does "Allah" square with intelligent life outside of Earth?

And if you are going to say that There Is No Life Outside Of Earth, specifically for people that are about to say this, if you belief there is no life outside of Earth, does this mean that if life is discovered outside of Earth, that your religion is false?


3- Most of the people on Earth, are split between Christianity (or catholic), Islamic (Muslim), and hindu.

For Christians, does this mean that all non-Christian's go to hell?

For Muslim's (errr, for muslim's I already know what they gonna say), does this mean that all non-Muslim's go to hell?

For hindu, and or other religions, how are you confident that billions of people that don't agree with your religion will go to (insert name of your religion's "bad place" )


4- And last question. How do you know that your (insert God) and your (insert Religion) is not an Alien, or Aliens, ?
edit on 1-2-2012 by Confusion42 because: (no reason given)


I am a Christian though not a traditional one and certainly not a religious one. I believe in YHVH or Ehyeh-Asher-Ehyeh as God the Father, Yahshua (Jesus) as the Son and the Holy Spirit. I worship God as Love and Truth. That is the best way I can explain my beliefs to you.

1: Yes, I believe that the soul does exist prior to birth. My reason is an entirely spiritual one and I have no evidence to back up said belief, only the conviction of my own faith. Psalms and Jeremiah both say that He (God) knew us long before we were ever formed in our mothers womb. That is my reasoning.

2: Life does exist outside our own planet according to Scripture or at least non-terrestrial life. One such Biblical example is a race of beings called... Angels. The Bible does not expressly mention the creation of other worlds or other life outside earth but that certainly doesnt mean it isnt possible or that it didn't happen. The Bible doesnt mention the creation of the atom but that doesnt mean it didnt happen. In fact none of us or nothing would be here unless the atom did exist. The Bible doesnt mention the creation of the dinosaurs either but that doesnt mean they didn't exist. As Scripture states "With God all things are possible." Even extraterretrial life.

3: In Genesis Abraham calls God the "Judge of the World." God is the Judge only He can judge a mans actions and heart but I can say that that is what He judges --- the heart. God is Love. Those who dont know love dont know God because that is what he is -- Love. I believe He is "slow to anger but quick to mercy." He will judge and be Just.

4: I dont know but that is why it's called Faith, my friend. It's an innate belief in something you have no reason to believe in but you do anyway because that is your conviction. Interesting Thread OP.



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 04:39 AM
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I am a muslim so i will answer this according to my believe.

Originally posted by Confusion42

1- Does a person (soul, etc.) exist 1+ years before a person is born? Where are "people" 1+ years before birth. What is the difference in the "state" your in when your die, and 1+ years before you're born?

In my believe, soul exist before we born, stay somewhere else far. To make it a bit specific, in my believe there is 2 things inside, first just call it life force and 2nd one is soul.With soul we can do lots of things in spiritual way, but still some mystery about it, but life force is complete mystery with only small knowledge of it. Life force came when fetus formed, and soul merged when 4 months old.
When we die, not only soul that pulled out, but so the life force, and wont remember things for a short while until fully remember stay near our dead body, and decided where to go.

We can go to the next realm called barzakh and accept all consequences, or stay and change become syethan/satan after making an oath. Another possibility but very rarely are to get more things to do as waliyullah, basically helping people who search for the truth in some area.


2- Due to the fact that there are trillions upon trillions of stars out there, and most have planets, let's assume that LIFE exists outside of planet Earth

For your Muslim's, same question. How does "Allah" square with intelligent life outside of Earth?

Other than angels, there are 2 life forms, physical and non physical called jin. They lived in other planets,on earth, and some jin came to earth with sophisticated stuffs and we call them aliens. The physical aliens didnt said if they are intelligent enough or not, but the way they described and the way God told us to notice them, they might be intelligent. I think this might happen in time where it written in Quran when human explore the space, base by base. Furthermore human have a full right for earth only, as a leader.I think we as human just share this universe with other things that has their own shared place or planets.


For Muslim's (errr, for muslim's I already know what they gonna say), does this mean that all non-Muslim's go to hell?

There are 2 meaning of islam and muslim.First what we know as religion who came with Muhamad, and the follower called muslim, as islam and muslim in syariat. The 2nd one mean the way that lead to God that start since in the begining of humankind, and can find it in any area at any time with their own prophet. It is islam by hakikat. They believe in God and do good things in life.What considered as good things in life basically that show that human are indeed a better creature than animal, or even angel. This 2nd type of muslim will have a good place/paradise later after judgement day.


4- And last question. How do you know that your (insert God) and your (insert Religion) is not an Alien, or Aliens, ?

Depends of what aliens is. If aliens mean something not come or originally from earth, so God is alien. In islam, it is more important to know who is the creature and the creator. To know where the God is, have to know who God is and know how God looks like at first. Because it is impossible to know that in islam, it is better not to think about it too much.We just need to know there is God with many names that created everything with a signature that we called it mother nature.

Peace



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 01:11 PM
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Originally posted by Confusion42
Hello All



Ok, first, before you response, please state your religion, and which God you belief in.



1- Does a person (soul, etc.) exist 1+ years before a person is born? Where are "people" 1+ years before birth. What is the difference in the "state" your in when your die, and 1+ years before you're born?


2- Due to the fact that there are trillions upon trillions of stars out there, and most have planets, let's assume that LIFE exists outside of planet Earth

How does this square with your God / religion? For example, for Christians, how can "Genesis" be correct if there is other planets with life? Does everybody not born on Earth go to hell? How can anything in the Bible be God's word if there is intelligent life outside of the world?




3- Most of the people on Earth, are split between Christianity (or catholic), Islamic (Muslim), and hindu.

For Christians, does this mean that all non-Christian's go to hell?

4- And last question. How do you know that your (insert God) and your (insert Religion) is not an Alien, or Aliens, ?
edit on 1-2-2012 by Confusion42 because: (no reason given)


You asked what religion, I am Trinitarian Pentecostal, Christian, millinealist, believer in Jesus Christ and the Father and Holy Ghost.

1: A person exists as a person in the womb. Doctors have proven this and we have seen the evidence by the many videos of pre-born infants. They have the ability to smile, dream and play before they come out of the womb and they also cry in the accent they have heard. This is proven by the many doctors who have viewed this very thing. So a person is a person before birth. Where they are before conception, as their souls are? Their souls were created by God at conception. Yes, the act took place that caused the conception, and it was designed by God to be that way. There is a pattern that was established in creation that determines this is how people are born, but the soul is created by God through that pattern.

2: As a Christan, I can accept that there may be something of life on other planets because the Bible says God created the worlds...plural. God created them, God knows about them and whatever happens there, God already revealed Himself to them. They are no secret to God. Genesis is still correct because it deals with life on earth. It tells about the creation of earth, but the Bible still says God created worlds. It does not change God or His work. God is the Creator of all the entire universe, both the seen and the unseen. Just because we do not see it does not mean it does not exist.

3: We go by the word of God. Who God determines should go to hell is up to Him. He did say we must believe in Jesus and be born again, but I believe Jesus was revealed to all cultures and all people in the languages they spoke according to their understanding. The Mormons agree with just one point, there are other sheep that Jesus had to go to, so He could bring them into the fold. We are not told who they are or where they are or even in what time they were. John the Beloved said that it was impossible to write all the things that Jesus did, there is not enough ink or paper to write it. I believe that Jesus is Lord over all creation and that creation includes time. He went where He went and spoke to people we will never know about until the end.

4: Aliens are created beings. They are very clearly tangible beings. God is a spirit, beyond the scope of the seeable universe. Aliens don't seem to be very highly intelligent, because they manage to crash on this planet.

But the term alien also is an umbrella term, anything not created on this planet would still indeed be alien. So you have to define what you mean by alien.

I will not answer the others because I am not Muslim or Hindu.



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posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 01:14 PM
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Originally posted by maung
I am a muslim so i will answer this according to my believe.

Originally posted by Confusion42

Depends of what aliens is. If aliens mean something not come or originally from earth, so God is alien.



I think I said this in my post before reading yours. This is one point we can agree on. God is not from this planet.

Thank you for replying in an honest manner, it makes for better dialogue.



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 03:32 PM
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Originally posted by Confusion42

1- Does a person (soul, etc.) exist 1+ years before a person is born? Where are "people" 1+ years before birth. What is the difference in the "state" your in when your die, and 1+ years before you're born?


I don't know what or how I was before I became.



2- Due to the fact that there are trillions upon trillions of stars out there, and most have planets, let's assume that LIFE exists outside of planet Earth. How does this square with your God / religion? For example, for Christians, how can "Genesis" be correct if there is other planets with life?


Statistically, relatively few stars systems are like our own and even fewer have planets floating in a constant habitable zone. The scientific algorithm proposes a mere couple thousand possibilities, and there is no hard science to back up even one system actually existing as Earth in reference to our Sun. Furthermore, nowhere in Genesis, or in any other scripture, is intelligent life excluded to Earth. Holy Scripture doesn't say there is or isn't intelligent life elsewhere so how would the God of all deal with intelligent life and planets elsewhere? Ask Him when we see Him. Right now, we don't know or understand everything.



Does everybody not born on Earth go to hell? How can anything in the Bible be God's word if there is intelligent life outside of the world?

I'm not the judge of another creation's need for salvation. What I can say is that, again, just because we weren't given knowledge of something doesn't mean it doesn't exist and that God doesn't control it too according to however He desires.


3- Most of the people on Earth, are split between Christianity (or catholic), Islamic (Muslim), and hindu.
For Christians, does this mean that all non-Christian's go to hell?


For sinners who have recognized their sin and need for a savior, Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." To dig deeper into the question of hell, every eye will see and every knee will bow but some must go through tribulation, like the purifying of a precious metal through fire; nevertheless, if you want to spend eternity without God, deny Him and his love and you'll have condemned yourself already and don't need Christians to do that for you.



4- And last question. How do you know that your (insert God) and your (insert Religion) is not an Alien, or Aliens, ?


God is Man. Jesus is the Son of Man. We are Mankind. If our creator is an Alien then so are we. The real question is whether or not God is alien to you because you've refused Him in spirit and truth?



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 06:35 PM
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Originally posted by interupt42

Originally posted by Sahabi
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Peace be upon you my friend. I have not come to argue, debate, or convert. Only to answer the questions of your op.



Thats to bad, cause its healthy to challenge ones views which could lead you to the truth or reinforce the truth you already know.

You didn't mention your religion but I'm going to guess Hinduism? BTW Hinduism makes more sense to me than the others.


I was once a Buddhist, a Christian, and then a Muslim. Today I belong to no religion, because I now believe religion to be a control mechanism. Each religion is trying to explain the SAME formless and timeless source of our existence.

What is the truth? Well, it is self-evident. It is always present and always right in front of our eyes. It can not be properly explained because once it is explained, it has form. We will then be talking about form instead of the formless. It must be experienced free from Ego, preconception, prejudice, or expectation.

My lack of debate in this thread is not due to close-mindedness. Our experiences and understandings are relative and subjective. How can my real reality become more real than your real reality? It can not.



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 06:37 PM
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Wasn't it originally in Hebrew? So, does this mean that all the people that don't belief in the Bible are "denying themselfs the truth?" Does that mean any and all Alien life (unless Jesus visited each planet) are "denying themselfs the truth"? What does that even mean? Regarding death being the transition... Transition into what? What did Adolf Hitler transition into? And what does an atheist transition into? And what does an Alien transition into when they die?


This si quite an interesting point. I am sorry to get back to you so late but I only get to come to ATS at 12:30PM!!!!!! After a long day at work and uni.

I watched a documentary about people experiences after death. They would be declare dead for a while and then come back to life. The time they would be gone it was very small but for them, it felt a lot longer.
This are people from different believes. They all saw what they thought it was their truth. If they believed in jesus, they would see Jesus, an Atheist I think what he saw it was him/herself (I cant remember) but they all felt it was a higher concoiusness and it goes on about how the conciousness asks them for a time when they thought they were "good" and when through their entire life checking, etc. It was quite interesting.
My point is that, no matter what you believe, that is your truth. The point is, not to lose faith even if you are an Atheist and believe in only yourself, do not lose faith in you and more importantly, do not hurt other intentionally.

Its like the argument. A doctor with a knife operates someone of a faulty organ and ends up killing that person and the end. A man with a knfie goes and robs a woman and kills her at the end.
They are the same weapon but they are not the same situation because one is with the intend to harm someone the otehr one isnt.
Then you ahve the other side of the story where the scenraio is that the man with a knife has a son dying and he really needs to money to pay for the kid's medication so he goes and robs a woman and ends up killing her.

and you can go on. There is evil people and they do pay for their intention. There is always a side, there is always a unbaised side for every story but it is not our JOB to figure out and understand absolutely everyone because people react to their own experiences and people will clash. This is why Buddhism, for me, it does not work because we are too human to understand unbiasely every situation..
I hope I explained myself, it is a bit hard to explain!! Words sometimes cannot explain



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 06:41 PM
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The Bible was written first in Hebrew, the later books in Aramaic, the other books in common (not classical) Greek (New Testament)



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 06:48 PM
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About the Ten Commandments an excuse my many posts (will come more! haha!)

I believe they are all common sense.

Ask yourself teh questions what are the actions that if we all do, it would make our living a hell (like the expression hell)

Kill
Steal
Adultery (unless open relationships is your thing but believe me, one day it would make you tired)

The first one: God is above everything. You most repest at least those thing that are not in your power and therefore an entity in my opinion with a conscious mind most be responsible. Respect that entity. If you believe you are capable of such then, respect yourself. Whatever makes you happy.

respect your father and mother. Thats quite clear to me but you know.

Keep Sabbath.



I dont know if Aliens do this kind of thing but at least the first 4 are quite logical. If they murder, steal and cause havoc between themselves then, their society doesnt survive. So at least this they may follow?

I dont know maybe they dont even have the same intentions or way of living? This is quite tricky actually. I will discuss this with my husband and get back to you.


The more questions sometimes we ask.... the more questions we get!



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 07:19 PM
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Where DOES he think muslim's go to after they die? And where do they think non-muslim's go? Umm, because Aliens would be a finite entity and God is infinite, God is the creator and the distructor, the protector, the desollator, the pacifist, the nothing, the everything, the beginning, the end, the merciful, the giver, the compassionate... We would be aliens to them and we cannot created this world or universe, we cannot create love or faith.. we dont have that power. But what if an Alien civilization 5 millions years ahead of us technologically created our galaxy? You gotta atleast admit, based on what Human's learned in a few thousand years, that any intelligent civilization with millions of years of technological advancement, might have the power to create galaxies. What is your belief in God / Creator based on ? If Bible, than , does this mean all Alien's wouldn't not know who God is because there planet didn't have a Bible? Sorry for all the questions. I do hope, if you have time, you can answer time. Thanks :-)


He doest really think Muslims go to a different place. I actually havent talk to him about it but he doesnt seem to bother that we will be in different Heavens when we die
I dont thyink he thinks this way. I dont think he thinks there is a "Heaven or "hell" he believes in it but in the way picture it as a Heaven with birdie angels flying with clouds and a old man with a massive beard on a gold thorone and everyone eating grapes. Or the flames, darkness and caves of the undeground Hell.

We both agree that Heaven or Hell are right here on Earth. There is no way to know the rest of the story after we die. He believes you transend and the holy scriptures do hint to that but people are.. a bit ignorant and naive and... literal about this words.

We both agree that after this life there is another one but in a higher level, that you either go to a different dimension or something along the lines.

I have watched a documentay called "One" which is in Google as "Uno subtitulada" and it is very interesting, I think you will really like so I will post it here:
video.google.com...

I posted it before but some people responded with arrogance... "Oh thats a cheesy documentary" Of course its cheese and melted cheese but I loved it...

I apologsie for the depiction of Atheist in the documentary I ahve to warned you, some looked nice but hey, it wastrhe Atheist in the documentary saying those things anyways.... I have many Athiest friends and they are not such warmongerring like the guy in the documentary, one of my friends is actually the most chilled guy I have ever met. So, in advance I apologise but do watch! and let me know!
I would love to discuss about it with someone in ATS
!

So who created the Aliens 5 millions years ago? and so on? thats my question



How do I based my faith in God.....


Thats very hard to answer it. When you say describe God is then to have the assumption that there is an entity somewhere looking at you, judging you

In this documentary, the descrition Buddhist Monk Thurman (Uma Thurman father) gives is very good: "You can descrive God as Love [but not only Love] or Allah Rahman The almighty God, and to say then the power of love, the power of the Universe that it is not necessarily a person with a plan. love does not necessarily controls the one being loved but only wishes the happiness of the one being loved. It is a kind of energy of happiness being wished to beings to be happy. If God is defined that way then it is quite possible to agree with that"

I really recommend the documentary.. because it asks all of this questions and all of these great minds talking about it from very different religion perspectives.. its quite good. I personally woudlnt have been able to answer without watching it because it is completely a very difficult question.

I ahve watched it about 6 times and still do again becaus this questions are so important to be asked and kuddos for you to be in the search of your personal path

Do not thank me!



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 07:30 PM
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I am not a Catholic nor Muslim


here we called him Jesus, Allah, Buddha, Krishna, Brahman... Aliens may call Him/Them AK67hta, I dont know.. its a name.

99 Names of Allah is something I wanted to share as if you read it, some of the names contradict each other: The creator, the destructor... and its because God is many things at the same time. It is not possible to discribe God specially with our language.

There is apossibility of a higher race why not, we could have been created by Aliens and so on... but... how then, lets go to the very beginning, the Big Bang, was created? You need particles, where do they come from? and how those eveyrthing unfolls to this precise way for you know be asking those questions?
I have read about the possibilites of even DNA and protein making in our body and the possibilities for it to work in that exact pricse way its freaking ridiculous. Its like trying to take a grain of sand from the entire universe.

I will post this video later as I cannot find it. QI!!!!


Hallucination. I have hallucinate in purppose and that wasnt a hallucination. (that made me giggle a lot!)

well, it is quiet personal what live with my dad and I dont want to discuss it here because I have seen how rude people can be on ATS. But let me say that it was 5 of us and we all lived it at the same time.

I have NEVER blamed what happened to my dad to God because that was an incredible experience. I am so close to my family after that and I thank God for this experience to come to us. Not only the closeness I personally learned many things.



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 07:43 PM
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Confusion I ahev to remark that I am anotehr human and finding answers are really hard. We may live a lifetime and not find them.

Sadness, sacrifice it is necessary. It is not fair but it is necessary and we all have our experiences and from those we can only them have our beliefs. Some people have good life and they dont believe in anything, they ahve a very bad attitude towards life vbut they have it all. Thats not faith though, you may be beautiful, be well off but that has nothing to do with God but with this plane... and some people see beyond that and the people hat have nothing, that have cancer, that ahve all of those really bad things or are in bad situations... see God easier. My dad, my dad OMG he is a bit fanatic after what he went through, lets put it this way but he is a lot happier than before.


Placebo effect, faith? I dont think faith can be a placebo effect because you have to have faith first to them believe.
There is teh power of suggestion though which I firmly believe and its true... if you dont have agood attitude towards life then.. you may have a bad ride.. buts thats you, your choice, your way of doing it.. God is beyond that..

Its like the story. a Priest was doing mass and then a flood comes, everyone saying to the priest: Lets go father! and he sayd: "No, I am in the hosue of God, I will be okay"
then the church goes in pieces and more water comes in. The crowd goes away and the last one shouts: "Father, you should come now its getting really high" Father says: "No son, you go. I will be fine, it si teh hosue of God!" Then, more water comes in and teh church is completely distroyed. A helicopter comes and shouts to the priest: "Father, come, take the ladder! We will save you!" the priest answers: No, I will be okay and I am in the hosue of the Lord. God will save me.
At the end, the priest dies and goes ot Heaven and says to God: "What happened, why did you let me die?" and God says: " the people waited for you and you didnt come, the last man awarned you and you didnt come, even a helicopter showed up and you didint come, what other signs did you want?"



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 07:46 PM
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wow that was quite interesting, this is teh first time I hear about the names of God. Could you go into detail? I am very keen to listen



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 07:48 PM
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about the point of being One

If you think about it, it may be quite right. Apperanly the big bang has happened many times thefore we are made of starsand therefore they existance do depend on ours and everything is corelated

Thatd one theory of many

I like it



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 07:54 PM
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thats beautiful really and completely relate to that. The fundamental belief of all religion are all so similar and it is up to people how to interpret.

One thing is I wish I dont come back to Earth

Second, went to India and cannot believe how many demiGods they believe in. Why? Is that like saints in Christianity?



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 09:06 PM
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Originally posted by azulejo
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The Bible was written first in Hebrew, the later books in Aramaic, the other books in common (not classical) Greek (New Testament)


Actually the Bible was written first in Ugartic, then transcribed in paleo-Hebrew. The form of Hebrew letters we know today are from the time they were captive in Babylon, and Amos transcribed it. I think though, that Amos knew how to speak and write his first language. Smart guy, that Amos. Did you know the Persian kings who were Zoroastrianists actually wrote letters in support of the Jews rebuilding the walls of Jerusalem?

That kind of makes me think that Zoroastrianism and Judaism are closely related. I think we have forgotten that other people speak other languages and the language of the Bible is not necessarily in Hebrew alone, but God is smart enough to reveal Himself to all people, no matter the language they speak.

Why not try to listen by the Holy Spirit? There is Divine Interpretation from the Divine Author, if we just listen and forget about the proper language to use. God is smarter than we are.



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 10:18 PM
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2. I am pretty sure that life exists outside earth, BUT, I don't believe in aliens with human-level or above intelligence. I don't see why my beliefs would be rendered false if the existence of intelligent life outside earth was proven.


So, you think human's are the TOP of the WHOLE Universe's "evolution"?

Now, ok, let's assume there ARE (let's just assume, I do not want to argue or anything, I am just curious, that's), so let's assume that there ARE aliens out there that are at and above human-level intelligence.

Based on your belief in Jesus, what the hell (excuse the pun) happens to all the alien's out there?

Does your belief system include a provision that Jesus visited all the "intelligent life" planet's?

So, the question is, please, if you can, explain how your belief system and the exisitance of intelligent life alien's, can be reconsiled, (unless all alien's go to hell?) ?



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 10:24 PM
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So, let me ask you.

Let's assume there are many planet's out there filled with intelligent life. Let's assume that, within 500 - 1000 years, we will make contact (publicly) with 4 different alien's civilizations.

Each of them as 1 trillion people.

Ok, obviously the above is just a scenario. But such a scenario, sooner or later, (unless we blow ourselfs up), will happen. But, let's just assume for sake of education here that the above is true.


How can one say that a certain God, Jesus's Father, is the true God, if all those aliens (4 trillion) never heard of Jesus?

What I am trying to get at, is all the event's that happened on Earth, all the history, all the scripture etc. was done on Earth. Thus are your beliefs and such are based on everything that happened on Earth.

I am sure you would agree with the statement that your belief in God, as in Jesus and Jesus's father, is based on all sorts of things that have one thing in common - Earth (and the history of the people on Earth).

So, how would this belief supersede the beliefs of the countless alien's civilizations out there?



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 10:56 PM
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Originally posted by azulejo
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The Bible was written first in Hebrew, the later books in Aramaic, the other books in common (not classical) Greek (New Testament)


Actually the Bible was written first in Ugartic, then transcribed in paleo-Hebrew. The form of Hebrew letters we know today are from the time they were captive in Babylon, and Amos transcribed it. I think though, that Amos knew how to speak and write his first language. Smart guy, that Amos. Did you know the Persian kings who were Zoroastrianists actually wrote letters in support of the Jews rebuilding the walls of Jerusalem?

That kind of makes me think that Zoroastrianism and Judaism are closely related. I think we have forgotten that other people speak other languages and the language of the Bible is not necessarily in Hebrew alone, but God is smart enough to reveal Himself to all people, no matter the language they speak.

Why not try to listen by the Holy Spirit? There is Divine Interpretation from the Divine Author, if we just listen and forget about the proper language to use. God is smarter than we are.


Sorry just have to point out that it is accepted that the Torah was written in Hebrew with a smattering of Aramaic. Ugartic texts were "lifted" wholesale (and in places mistranslated) but it certainly was NOT the language of the first written Torah. Unless your prepared to admit that Baal and the other Phoenician gods mentioned (railed at actually)throughout (the Hebrew texts) preceded Yahweh.

Zoroastrianism is also acknowledged as a large influence on Judaism but is itself thought to have origins in Vedic practices.

As for a deity being smarter than us?
Why do they all seem to act as petulant children in most if not all religions ?
Simple answer. Man created god(s) in his own image.

The lineage and development of our culture is fascinating, including the development of religions, without needing to take the myths at face value.



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