Originally posted by aching_knuckles

Originally posted by xstealth

Removing business regulations is exactly what we need. Are you a business owner?
Taking government out of our lives is exactly what we need, why do you think college tuition is so out of hand?

No I am not a business owner, and neither is 80% of america. So anything to benefit business owners at the expense of the other citizens is not for the "common good". We tried having a society without laws for businesses, and what we got were monopolies, robber barons, and strike breakers. It didnt work, thats why laws were made in the first place.

What does govt interference have to do with college tuition? Obama declared last week that if these PRIVATE institutions cannot bring their costs down, they will no longer recieve Federal funds, something I agree with.

So you are saying that the government should not oversee education at all? Then university degrees would not be worth anyhting, as there would be no standardization....Western Ozark U. might say you are qualified to be a nuclear physicist when MIT says you arent even close. What then?

Well there is some things the government shouldn't be involved in, one prime example is overtime. The overtime law takes away billions of potential income. Healthcare laws will limit companies from adding more employees, because once they get a certain number of employees then they have to do more for them.

This is all great, but if the primary goal is to increase employment then these are not helping. With no gov restrictions, more jobs would be added and companies would compete against other companies offering better benefits for the better workers.

We still have monopolies, where are the anti-trust laws with banks? These huge companies ignore EPA laws, AT laws, and more; its the small businesses that get fined and restricted.

Government needs to get out of the way, if they do one thing it should be prohibit private lobbying from corporations and set max campaign contributions from corporations the same as people. Corporations are people right? I don't think so, but the government does so the same contribution laws should apply.


And yes, the government needs to get out of education completely. Our school systems are a joke, and the only reason college tuition is so high is because the government backed student loans and with this and the inability to bankrupt student loans; the government gave the green light to colleges to charge as much as they want.

Originally posted by xstealth

Originally posted by aching_knuckles

Originally posted by xstealth

Removing business regulations is exactly what we need. Are you a business owner?
Taking government out of our lives is exactly what we need, why do you think college tuition is so out of hand?

No I am not a business owner, and neither is 80% of america. So anything to benefit business owners at the expense of the other citizens is not for the "common good". We tried having a society without laws for businesses, and what we got were monopolies, robber barons, and strike breakers. It didnt work, thats why laws were made in the first place.

What does govt interference have to do with college tuition? Obama declared last week that if these PRIVATE institutions cannot bring their costs down, they will no longer recieve Federal funds, something I agree with.

So you are saying that the government should not oversee education at all? Then university degrees would not be worth anyhting, as there would be no standardization....Western Ozark U. might say you are qualified to be a nuclear physicist when MIT says you arent even close. What then?

Well there is some things the government shouldn't be involved in, one prime example is overtime. The overtime law takes away billions of potential income. Healthcare laws will limit companies from adding more employees, because once they get a certain number of employees then they have to do more for them.

This is all great, but if the primary goal is to increase employment then these are not helping. With no gov restrictions, more jobs would be added and companies would compete against other companies offering better benefits for the better workers.

We still have monopolies, where are the anti-trust laws with banks? These huge companies ignore EPA laws, AT laws, and more; its the small businesses that get fined and restricted.

Government needs to get out of the way, if they do one thing it should be prohibit private lobbying from corporations and set max campaign contributions from corporations the same as people. Corporations are people right? I don't think so, but the government does so the same contribution laws should apply.


And yes, the government needs to get out of education completely. Our school systems are a joke, and the only reason college tuition is so high is because the government backed student loans and with this and the inability to bankrupt student loans; the government gave the green light to colleges to charge as much as they want.

I think you would be more at home in a fascist state.

No overtime laws? Sure, lets all work 70 hour weeks for pennies, just like the Chinese! That will make America great again!

Originally posted by aching_knuckles

Originally posted by JohnPhoenix

First you believe that Media and Government are in bed together yet you're willing to swallow this drivel when Media says, Hey look here is what your new Robin Hood has done now!

Your all being manipulated. Move along, nothing to see here.

I would agree with you, except that this isnt being reported by mainstream media...only by "underground" sources.

So..... what now?

Makes no difference to me. I can have an underground source, many of them. One for Ron Paul, one for Ronmey, one for Obama, one for Newt - thing is you don't really know who is behind this or why. No one does.

Originally posted by aching_knuckles


I think you would be more at home in a fascist state.

No overtime laws? Sure, lets all work 70 hour weeks for pennies, just like the Chinese! That will make America great again!

Do you know how many companies have overtime work for their employees, but won't give them the extra hours because they don't want to pay the wage increase?

Millions of people are losing hours...

The wage agreement is between the employee and the employer, and the employee wouldn't be obligated to work the extra hours. Government never comes into that equation, and I've never seen an American working for pennies; come up with a real point instead of debating like a liberal.

I like minimum wage and labor laws and I'm pro-choice.

BUT, being able to get a decent wage and having an abortion if I need one won't do a bit of good if I don't have a job, and I'm locked in a cage somewhere because of thought crimes.

That's the way the country is going, so my decision to support RP is a matter of my priorities. Freedom first.

Since I don't feel like it is IN PLACE right now, it has to be top priority. Once it is restored, then I'll worry about if my granddaughter can have an abortion if she feels she needs one.

I think RP is on the right track with getting the government out of the way. Things are a lot different from a 100 years ago. My company just cut my hours as to eliminate overtime. They still want us to produce like we are working 50 hours but the hell with quality. I will probably end up fired but I believe customers should get what they pay for. How is gov regulations helping the economy right now? Unemployment is realistically at almost 12 %. You can't trust the gov to do what's right because it itself has become corrupt. Like with a free market lets the consumer decide where to shop, no regulations mean more job creation. Let employees decide where they want to work. If a company can't hire anyone because they don't offer competative overtime compensation, then they will either have to adapt or fall to the waist-side. I'm tired of a small group of people deciding what's best for the majority. Name one thing this gov has managed well.

But it wasn't a white supremacist group he was with.

I think people are forgetting the definition of words these days and are just throwing them around for the sake of it.
Hell......if you oppose immigration these days you are a 'white supremacist'.

Originally posted by aching_knuckles

Originally posted by _R4t_
Just because he can be connected to them doesn't mean he has anything to do with them... I know a # load of hell angels and there was lots of mafia # that ran in my family in the 50's up to the 2005 when the last "high profile" member of the family if you will, died.

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Hes not just "connected" to them, he has met with the leaders and discussed policy. This is akin to your family's dad working on a plan with the Hells Angels, then the Mafia gets pissed and your dad says "Hey come on, Im just connected to them!"

In my eyes, if you are a racist, you are ignoring the Constitution of the US, and therefore cannot be a "constitutionalist".

See this is the type of mentality that cause lots of people to be labeled and conflict in this world... Its like saying... Oh he spoke of sex with homosexuals he HAS to be gay...

Being a "constitutionalist" wouldn't it mean he has to threat every americans equaly??? Is job as a politician is not to discriminate but to listen all parties and try to make a good decision that will suit everybody and the country at once...

If you want racist go read Mrs. Obama's thesis... wait lemme cut n' paste one of the best line for you when speaking of her project and how she's going to conduct her study...

“Respondents will be more comfortable with blacks than whites when they will take part in interactive activities with both of these races”.

So how long before this thread is deemed "Off Topic" by ATS staff? (*waves to tothetenthpower*)

In any case, I am kind if loving how some of the right wing trolls are totally flip-flopping in regards to Anonymous. Why it wasn't that long ago some where cheering them on because of that fake Anonymous video claiming Anonymous would take down CNN due to unfair treatment/coverage of Ron Paul.

No matter - this issue is not going away. It will not be swept under the rug. There is clearly something to these claims, and I think it's high time Ron Paul puts his big boy pants on and gets in front of this.

It's 2012 people. Racism is not something to be tolerated.

This is complete and utter propaganda. They claim to be opposed to tyranny, but here they are now trying to slander the only hope for a free world. Just more evidence that they are controlled or imitated by intelligence agencies. I often spend several hours trying to figure out if a particular anon statement is actually legit and backed by them, but this time I can't be bothered... I think it's absolutely clear who is behind this one.

That's the thing about anon. Anyone can attach themselves as an "official" spokesperson for any OP and say anything they want for any reason.

So, even though i support Anon (and Ron Paul), the system makes it difficult to trust. Also, I think Ron Paul will give anyone a chance to talk and listen to their ideas. Even a racist person is going to have some real concern and logical complaints/ideas not pertaining to their prejudices at all.

I mean Rosalyn Carter met with serial murdered John Wayne Gacy.. doesn't mean it reflects who she is.

If he talked to white supremacists a few times it would have to be compared to how many times he talked to other groups.

The NAACP prez gave him the nod and said he wasn't a racist, that's good enough for me.

MODS need to move this to the HOAX Section.


NO PROOF yet, move this thread.