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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by blupblup
Great response. I wish I had your talent for avoiding the snarky in these situations, but it's really hard. I'm sure my point would be better-received if I got rid of some of the snark.
Originally posted by Mcupobob
reply to post by blupblup
Yes, lets straight up compare this to the civil rights movement.
Look I can see how gay marriage is a rights issues and don't believe that the church has the authority to say that two or three consenting adults can't be married.
However, this is a different issue entirely. This is about a religious group that does not believe that gay people are sinners and doomed to hell for all eternity.
Yes while it is a bigotry, and backwards they have the religious freedom to believe so. They shouldn't have to be forced to accept a member that is openly gay just because he want in?
Its a contradiction to their beliefs and I bet its a contradiction to his beliefs. If he is Christian, then he should join or find a Christian Church that accepts Gay people openly and lovingly and there are Churches that do. Instead of trying to force himself into one that doesn't believe in his lifestyle.
Honestly, were talking about freedom in this thread. Why does his freedoms override theirs?
Originally posted by Mcupobob
Honestly, were talking about freedom in this thread. Why does his freedoms override theirs?
Originally posted by Mcupobob
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic
I highly doubt that he was Christian, and even if he was he had to know that the majority of Christian groups and Churches are bigotry against homosexuals? I'm not saying it right that they were discriminating, what I'm saying is why force try to force yourself into a group that clearly doesn't want you there?
Originally posted by blupblup
reply to post by blupblup
Oh good I'm glad you agree, I thought it may come across as a little too much.
I didn't think we were talking about gay marriage...Did this guy propose to one (or two) of the group or what?
See I thought they did believe that?
Hmmmm
If this were their own separate group that they started away from the School/Uni then fine... but It's not about their religious freedoms, it's about Uni Policy.
Their "Religious Freedoms" do NOT trump school policy.
Why? He is perfectly entitled to join this one, the school said so
As for it being a contradiction to anyone's belief, I'm pretty sure that God forgives all... so I'm also pretty sure that if there is a god and that homosexuality is a "sin" (I know huge ask believing all that) then I'm sure god will forgive this young man and will be annoyed at these people for barring him from their group.
It's not the Christian way to bully and exclude someone based on prejudice.... or at least it shouldn't be.
School Policy takes Precedence.
Originally posted by Mcupobob
So the school is allowed to discriminated and bar freedoms?
His entitled because the school said so?
If a member doesn't want to follow that groups rules then they should reserve the right to kick them out.
I thought private insinuations were not allowed to discriminate...
Oh, Lord.... I'll never get that 15 minutes back.
Have a nice day, Bob.
Originally posted by Mcupobob
How are all groups being treated fairly?
The group is being forced to accepted a member that doesn't follower their religious beliefs. Or be dismantled, who wins then?
Originally posted by Mcupobob
How are all groups being treated fairly? The group is being forced to accepted a member that doesn't follower their religious beliefs. Or be dismantled, who wins then?
Same here.
African Student Union
Alliance for Cultural Diversity in Research
Asian American Student Association
Asian Pacific American Law Student Association
Black Law Student Association
Black Student Alliance
Caribbean Students Association
Intergenerational Symposium
International Arbritration Association
International Association of Business Communicators (IABC)
International Law Society
Japanese Cultural Foundation
Korean Student and Scholars Association
Korean Undergraduate Student Association
La Alianza at the Law School
Latin Business Association
Masala South Asian Cultural Exchange
Middle Eastern Students Association (MESA)
National Black Law Student Association (undergrad)
National Black MBA Association
National Security Law Society
National Society of Black Engineers
Native American Law Student Association
Organization of Black Graduate and Professional Students (OBGAPS)
Owen Black Students Association
Peabody Coalition of Black Graduates
Saudi Students Association
Turkish Student Association
Vanderbilt Association of Hispanic Students
Vanderbilt Chinese Scholars and Students Association
Vanderbilt Global Perspectives
Originally posted by Mcupobob
So the school is allowed to discriminated and bar freedoms?
So the guy has the right to bully his way into the group? Yes and I know that it shouldn't be the Christian way, and something something god forgives all. However religion is a made up thing with made up rules. If a member doesn't want to follow that groups rules then they should reserve the right to kick them out.
So its not about right or wrong its about school Policy now? I thought private insinuations were not allowed to discriminate, based on color, sexuality, or creed?
Let me put it this way, I see this as the the kid that wants to join a stupid clique at school. They don't want him nor like him so he runs to the teacher and forces the cool kids to play with him.
Originally posted by WTFover
My opinion is each of these groups has the right to exclude people who do not share the fundamental beliefs and tenets of the organization.
Take your money to a school that does respect your beliefs.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by WTFover
The school DOES respect this gay student. It's the Christian group that doesn't respect the school's beliefs... So, should they just move along to another school that does? You might be on to something there...
Originally posted by WTFover
Of course, the university must enforce its policies equally among all student organizations, including a male's inclusion in a female org or a white person's inclusion in a black student org.