Oops! FBI uses chain saw on wrong door

Amazing!!!!

A Massachusetts woman says the FBI used a chain saw blade to cut through her door and held her at gunpoint for at least 30 minutes before agents realized they were conducting a raid at the wrong home.

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If I heard someone taking a chainsaw to my front door, they wouldn't be welcomed with a friendly greeting.

That is what shotguns are for.

I hear the chainsaw, or anything else at the door that does not go away, out comes the shotgun.

Those FBI guys are lucky to be alive.

I bet they would have been more careful if they were working in TX.

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Anyways, it does sound like someone higher up than the grunts with the chainsaw screwed up, but why a chainsaw, don't they have door breaching charges? While perhaps the door breaching charges failed (it happens?) or they tried to use a battering ram (which happens) but found the door too sturdy of a battering ram. So, a chainsaw does not sound like a normal operation. If they wanted to conduct a quick raid why were they chainsawing the door down? It seems like it would give a lot of warning to anyone inside, rather than the door breaching charge they could use for a fast entry, then flashbangs to confuse anyone inside... wait, I'm getting ahead of myself.

I wonder if it was her chainsaw they used on her door?



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This is a unforgivable mistake, one that should never be made, I will never understand how this kind of mistake is made. These LEO's should all be investigated for gross incompitance.

With that being said, I am not against raids, it is often the only effective method to catch criminal activity in progress or just to catch a crimanal with the least danger to innocent civilians. Knocking on their door and identifying them selves would tottaly negate the element of surprise, and would not have made any difference in this specific situation.

Originally posted by kawika
That is what shotguns are for.

I hear the chainsaw, or anything else at the door that does not go away, out comes the shotgun.

Those FBI guys are lucky to be alive.

I bet they would have been more careful if they were working in TX.

edit on 1-2-2012 by kawika because: add text

I have a shotgun for this purpose. Let's say I recognize after a few seconds that they're cops.. would they have shot me multiple times before that happens? Is it illegal to point a weapon at an officer if they're illegally breaking into your house?

Originally posted by kawika
I bet they would have been more careful if they were working in TX

Good point!!

We never hear about these kind of mistakes in the PRO-GUN states.

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While I agree..

It's probably good she didn't have a shotgun or didn't shoot in this case. because we both know she would have been killed an the FBI agents would suffer minimal punishment, it would be called a justified killing.

What a horrifying way to have someone breach your house. Like a horror film.

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She should sue them for their terrorist activities, mental anguish, etc. and for not knowing which door the suspects were in after a 2 yr investigation.

Oh man.

The raid was called Operation Red Wolf, a two-year investigation into drugs and weapons, WHDH.com reported.

Two years of investigating and planning and the morons chop the wrong door.

Everyone with a brain knows bureaucracy makes monstrous mistakes all over the place.

Law enforcement is basically bureaucracy that will kill you.

Doesn't surprise me to hear about another botched raid. And for those saying that they would have met them at a door with a shotgun, we'd be reading your obituary in the next days paper. I get it, I would be inclined to do the same thing, but unfortunately, the home owner would get the short end of the stick.

I would guess your surviving household members would get an apology and a "we're sorry" check.

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There have been cases where a home owner has shot at a swat team after they broke into his house in the middle of the night. I think there was a brief stand off, the SWAT team realized they were in the wrong home, and they stood down. He even hit several officers, there were no charges to the home owner because of their mistake, and he had assumed it was a home invasion. Not the police conducting a raid.

But in most cases I'd bet they still try to charge you. But if you don't kill or seriously injure any of the members of the police/swat/federal agents, I don't think a reasonable jury could find you guilty.

Originally posted by rangersdad
reply to post by KnightFire

 

She should sue them for their terrorist activities, mental anguish, etc. and for not knowing which door the suspects were in after a 2 yr investigation.

Awesome Thought!

She should make a whole circus out of this incident. She gets paid and makes them double check their intel before taking action in the future.

Wonder if they'll have to give her compensation for the door? Probably not.

Because government officials are above such petty things as the law. Just look at how they had to make a special law so that Congress couldn't do insider trading...when such regulations already exist for the rest of us peasants.

Originally posted by Miraj
reply to post by jessejamesxx

 

There have been cases where a home owner has shot at a swat team after they broke into his house in the middle of the night. I think there was a brief stand off, the SWAT team realized they were in the wrong home, and they stood down. He even hit several officers, there were no charges to the home owner because of their mistake, and he had assumed it was a home invasion. Not the police conducting a raid.

But in most cases I'd bet they still try to charge you. But if you don't kill or seriously injure any of the members of the police/swat/federal agents, I don't think a reasonable jury could find you guilty.

Do you have a link with that story?

How surprising all they did was pay for the damages. The FBI should give the family enough to set them off for life (exageration). How did they know there wasn't anyone by the door when the chainsaw went through, they could have very well split the daughter in half. What would they say then, "oops, here's the money for the door" and leave? Do the cops ever get the right place to raid?

Originally posted by AnIntellectualRedneck
Wonder if they'll have to give her compensation for the door? Probably not.

At the bottom of the article.

The FBI has apologized and is paying for the damage.

Originally posted by AnIntellectualRedneck
Wonder if they'll have to give her compensation for the door? Probably not.

Because government officials are above such petty things as the law. Just look at how they had to make a special law so that Congress couldn't do insider trading...when such regulations already exist for the rest of us peasants.

They are paying for damages, go read the link again you ... you .... YOU REDNECK!

I'm surprised they used a chainsaw to gain entry in the first place. There are many ways to take out a door that's much faster then using a chainsaw.

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This fella here: Vang Khang fired at cops serving a no-knock at his house which was the wrong address.

Eventually the cops stopped harassing him and his family but not before trying to stick all kinds of random charges to him for their stupid actions.

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
reply to post by Miraj

 

This fella here: Vang Khang fired at cops serving a no-knock at his house which was the wrong address.

Eventually the cops stopped harassing him and his family but not before trying to stick all kinds of random charges to him for their stupid actions.

Thanks for sharing the link.