Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
reply to post by Wrabbit2000
First off, you've presented no facts. You've repeatedly posted lies and YOU refuse to answer questions aimed directly at you. Pot meet kettle.
Second, if you DID actually bother to read what's been posted then you CAN'T be an honest skeptic. 80%+ of what she said was about the SSN and all
of that is birther generated BS. The evidence is in front of you. It's not something you can have an opinion on. Either you're honest, or you're a
liar trying to push a debunked ideology.
I have my opinion on that, but look, you tell me, where did the 1890 number come from? Can Obama's SSN only be for someone born in CT? Was the number
Answer those questions then look at the fact that 9 out of 11 of the pieces of evidence Orly presented related to those three things. Then remember
that Orly is almost singlehandedly responsible for pushing those leis out there. (And wasting how much tax money in the courts...?)
I doubt you'll answer these questions though.
edit on 1-2-2012 by captainnotsoobvious because: (no reason given)
Okay, lets keep perspective here. I am stating what I believe makes for questions that justify further looking into this issue. I don't claim to know
the answers, and for the 3rd time saying it, I'm not presenting anything here as facts. Others have presented them as facts in court, under oath and
penalty of perjury.
Those defending Obama are presenting plenty as hard fact...without much more than the statement that it is so, and so we should accept that and shut
Err... Question Authority? That motto sits next to Deny Ignorance in my mind, and that is the rule of the day here.
The documents cited as evidence exist or they don't. They say what the witnesses in court claim, or they don't. More than one of these documents,
such as the passport record of his mother with the different last name, are actually U.S. Government documents, so the ability to show this as true or
false is a matter of running a copy (Not a multi-layered, modified Photoshop file) and present it. Scandal is over....everyone who tried to push it
loses credibility forever, and everyone can feel the issue is settled.
Now.... This is where I'm having a huge problem. Now that this has been sworn to in a court, we have every single person who testified there staking
their careers and credibility, not to mention their freedom if someone wanted to push hard enough, on the belief that what they are presenting is
accurate. Has Obama or ANY of his people addressed a single issue here under Oath?
Well.. They've had countless opportunities, but it's apparently more important to make a horses ass out of the people suing, than simply put down
the charges. The lack of this being settled in a court room is due to Obama having his lawyers stomp *EVERY* attempt before now to have this simply
heard as a question for an answer in the right forum for truth.
Very simply put... I am going by the evidence as presented by people with everything to lose in being busted for fabricating. I'm debating, largely,
opinion and second hand statements from so and so...or some talking head on a news channel. Before
a Georgia Judge showed some hard courage, no
one had more to go with on this topic. NOW
, we do. Pretending that hearing never happened won't change the fact it did...and this wasn't a TV
show. This was a *REAL*
court room with *REAL*
consequences for both sides and all witnesses taking the stand. When it comes down to it,
that really is as simple as it gets. Now, as a nation, I suggest looking at that court case...and seeing just where this smoke is coming from. There
just MIGHT be fire down there..or there may not be.
Not knowing is absurd. Refusing to even acknowledge a problem *MAY* exist strikes me as willfully ignoring reality now that this has entered formal
legal proceedings. Time will tell......but assuming people who question this President are ignorant, malicious or just racist strikes me as against
everything the quest for knowledge and enlightenment should stand for. To be blunt, it seems to pretty much fly in the face of what I understand this
Web Site to exist for.
Call me wrong...fine fine...you're in a long line for that one.
A fool or ignorant...as has happened on this thread? Thats uncalled for and
pretty far over the lines of decent discourse, even in politics, wouldn't you agree?
OH.. By the way.... by my notes on witness testimony, the Social Sec was issued in 1977-79 as a range. The numbers immediately before and after were
issued in 1977, so it's a good bet HIS follows that. The numerical code which all SS numbers are comprised of show his to be issued to someone in
Connecticut. Obama was a teenager living in Hawaii at the time.