Originally posted by redzareptile
reply to post by CaptainBeno
all of these supposed revelations surrounding the "war on terror" seem like kids picking sides on the playground.
The whole world knew that from the begining Pakistan was helping Osama Bin Laden and the Taliban. They are just doing it openly because they don't need our devalued dollars anymore, when they can chum up with China and Russia.
Europe (except Italy, they like to do their own thing)
Canada (The USA would find a way to cut them off of the continent.)
All the other smaller nations that still think they need our protection or have been recently over run.
China/Russia (they can flip a coin to see who gets first billing)
Iran (practically China's own oil fields).
Somalia (pirates make good allies, arrrrghhh!!!)
The rest of the World that hates the USA.... Pretty much everyone else.
Switzerland..... As you were.
This tounge in cheek view of the situation is not far from the truth.
I just wish it wasn't!
CBS News: Divisions within Taliban make peace elusive
Defense Secretary Leon Panetta made news Wednesday when he said the combat role for U.S. troops in Afghanistan could end next year instead of 2014. On Thursday, he took a step back -- insisting U.S. forces will remain combat ready -- even as they transition into their new role of training Afghan troops.
Another part of the U.S. strategy involves getting the Taliban to hold peace talks with the Afghan government. CBS News correspondent Clarissa Ward spoke with some top Taliban representatives where they live in Pakistan.
They call Sami ul Haq the "Father of the Taliban," one of Pakistan's most well-known and hard-line Islamists.
Ward visited ul Haq at his religious school near the Afghan border. Many Afghan Taliban leaders and fighters studied there, earning it the nickname the "University of Jihad."
Ul Haq said that top Taliban figures are receptive to the idea of peace talks, but that three key conditions must be met first: The Americans must leave Afghanistan, he told Ward. Secondly, Taliban leaders should be released from Guantonamo. The third demand is there should be no outside interference in Afghanistan.
It's unlikely that American negotiators will accept these terms, though a release of some prisoners from Guantanamo Bay has been discussed.
While some elements of the Taliban's leadership may be supportive of peace talks, there are clear signs that divisions exist within the group. Many of the younger, more militant foot soldiers insisting that they are not ready to stop fighting.
At a small guesthouse on the outskirts of Islamabad, CBS News had the rare chance to sit down with a young Taliban commander from Helmand province. For security reasons, he asked that his face be not shown.
"If these talks in Doha are successful and Taliban leaders tell you and your fighters to put down your arms, will you do it?" asked Ward.
"No, it will not happen," he said. "And those who are talking to the political wing of the Taliban should understand that real peace is only possible by talking to the ground fighters."
"So the bottom line is you're not willing to compromise, you're not willing to collaborate? Is there any chance of peace?"
"If the Afghan government announced tomorrow that strict Islamic law would be reinstated, we would accept that," he said, "but those in power now will never go along with that."
For the moment, there is a huge gulf between what the Taliban and their backers want and what America would be willing to accept.
Originally posted by Mr Peter Dow
The risks of confronting Pakistan
The risks of not confronting Pakistan
This risk of having to fight and win an all-out war with Pakistan is a lesser risk than failing to defeat the Taliban, withdrawing from Pakistan having achieved little to secure Afghanistan and thereby giving encouragement to Jihadis the world over to commit more acts of terrorism and war elsewhere in the world including in our homelands. So Pakistan should not force us to make that choice of two risky options because their defeat is preferable to our own defeat in our opinion.
Pakistan should avoid war with the West by stepping back and allowing us to destroy the Taliban in Pakistan because it is the Taliban and the Jihahis who are the true enemies of the Pakistani and Afghan people. We are the friends of the people of Pakistan and we will prove that by defeating their and our enemy, the Taliban and associated Jihadis.
Hopefully the Pakistanis will back off and let us bomb the Taliban without threat from Pakistan's air defences. We should tell Pakistan that we are doing them a favour which they will thank us for in the long run though we appreciate the embarrassment for them in the short term.
Originally posted by breet
yes i think so that Pakistan help Taliban. because if the Taliban not supported by Pakistan. then how it survive as long time.
The 'university of holy war'
By Haroon Rashid (October, 2003)
BBC correspondent in North-West Frontier Province
Its students and principal call it the University of Jihad (Holy War).
Last week the religious seminary of Darul Uloom Haqqania in Pakistan's North-West Frontier Province turned out another class of young Pakistanis and Afghans ready to wage holy war against the enemies of their religion.
Among them was 15-year-old Afghan refugee, Javed Ullah.
"I wish to fight the infidels," he said as he left the seminary in Akora Khattak, 50 kilometres (31 miles) east of the provincial capital, Peshawar.
Javed is among 600 students who have completed studies in different fields over the past year.
I will dedicate my whole life for jihad. I will kill enemies of Islam
Minhaj Uddin, student
Wearing white turbans and dress, all the new graduates looked satisfied and seemed to brim with hope for a bright future.
"I want to go back and fight the Americans," Javed said wearing a garland. "I can't wait anymore."
His Pakistani classmates had a similar desire.
"I will dedicate my whole life for jihad. It is compulsory for Muslims. I will kill enemies of Islam," said student Minhaj Uddin.
Mullah Omar's words
The whole convocation was full of slogans in support of Afghanistan's ousted Taleban regime, al-Qaeda's leader Osama Bin Laden and holy war.
Some of the banners adorning the seminary were decorated with pictures of Kalashnikov rifles and tanks.
In their speeches, teachers and religious scholars urged the students to put defending their faith before everything else.
"Being watchmen of your religion, you are naturally the first target of your enemies," said Maulana Sami ul-Haq, the principal of the seminary.
In the past, some Taleban officials, themselves graduates of the institution, have attended these convocations.
Even Taleban leader Mullah Mohammad Omar's messages have been read out.
The school's support for the Taleban has been no secret.
The principal previously sent a batch of 2,000 Afghan students back to their homeland to aid the then ruling Taleban in its fight against the warlords of the Northern Alliance.