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Hippy Do-Gooders have Destroyed the World

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posted on Feb, 1 2012 @ 12:16 PM
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More Greenpeace

In this interview the leader of Greenpeace admits the Arctic ice sheet is not melting and that they used emotionalism to promote their agenda

hotair.com...

And check this out



A great expose




posted on Feb, 1 2012 @ 12:16 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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Well, I'm sorry to tell you this but more people have died from the failed policies of communism and socialism and even environmentalism than have died from Capitalist venture.


I'd like to see your numbers on that.
You have to make a big distinction between political party that call them self communist and actual communism. People did not die because of communism per say (although some would argue that yes and I dont necessarily disagree but it's a subject for another thread), they died because of corrupt governments that call themselves communist.

Remember,,, communism is a social, political and economic ideology that aims at the establishment of a classless, moneyless, stateless and revolutionary socialist society structured upon common ownership of the means of production. No real communist country ever existed in it's literal form. The head of those "communist" country were the real cause of the mass slaughters.

How many people did die because of wars fought for resources in the name of capitalism ? How many governments were overturned by capitalist country in order to have a puppet government that would sell them their resources ?



posted on Feb, 1 2012 @ 12:17 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by SaturnFX
 


Well, I'm sorry to tell you this but more people have died from the failed policies of communism and socialism and even environmentalism than have died from Capitalist venture.


I am of the opinion that most modern war is a direct result of capitalist ventures, be it arms, oil, or real estate for purposes of pipelines.

In which case...its open to debate.

As far as failed policys of communism and socialism...hard to say. No real examples of communism that hasn't been hobbled by exterior warfare and sanctions..so its not so much failed communist policys moreso than other nations deciding to stop the experiment from even being tried.
As far as socialism..well, since the right has decided socialism is anything left of the extreme right, then I would say there are many, many examples of successful and peaceful socialist countries (lets look at the nordic areas for example..sweden,denmark, etc). However, if we are talking about an actual socialism..well, its a bit of a silly concept anyhow..but still arguably never has been properly tried and left alone now, has it. name a proper socialist area that hasn't been bombed, sanctioned, etc...simply for holding a different political structure.

the two government forms you mention are a threat to capitalism..because it teaches sharing..and that is upsetting to those whom want to sell two things to two people verses 1 thing to two people and they share.

Nothing pure works
pure capitalism (aka, somolia) doesn't work either.

I am a socio-capitalist..I see the need for basics of humanity for all, then work for the extras. its a system that works best in my opinion..and the more we discuss ripping apart the bottom, the more we become unstable. Hard to have a tall house when you remove the foundation.



posted on Feb, 1 2012 @ 12:18 PM
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Your ideas sir are dangerous to a modern society and i sincerly hope you will never become involved with politics.

I stopped at the point where you said that the US economy was down and the "enviornazi" are trying to destroy it further.

I am asking you, why the hell are we strugling to keep such a bulexcrement system secure when it creates way more problems than it takes care of? (think of this for a while and you will see a lot of excrement flying arround you everywhere you go).



posted on Feb, 1 2012 @ 12:27 PM
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HAHAHAH the who started this thread guy is the definition of peon masses!! GO TO BACK TO SCHOOL! LEARN THE SCIENCE! Don't just listen to the propaganda that massive energy/resource companies put out there! Taking care of the earth or developing more efficient technology is in no way a bad thing or bad for the economy. PIPELINES SUPPLY JOBS UNTIL ITS BUILT< WHAT THE # DO YOU THINK A PIPELINE IS FOR?!! TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF HUMAN WORKERS WHO TRANSPORT THE OIL!!! THEREFORE ONCE ITS BUILT IT TAKES JOBS AWAY YOU #IN MORON> HAHAHA WOW THESE ARE THE KIND OF PEOPLE IN OUR COUNTRY< THESE ARE THE PEOPLE YOUR KIDS GROW UP AROUND< THIS IS THE NEWT< ROMNEY AND SANTORUM FOLKS> THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE TRICKED THEMSELVES INTO BELIEVING THEY REPRESENT FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY> THESE PEOPLE THINK THEY KNOW WHAT THE FOUNDING FATHERS WANTED< UNFORTUNATELY THE FOUNDING FATHERS ARE TURNING IN THEIR #IN GRAVES RIGHT NOW WHEN THEIR BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY HAS BEEN OVER RUN BY INCEST PRODUCED RETARDS WHO SHOUT "AMERICA # YAAA" WHENEVER THEY GET WORKED UP!!!



posted on Feb, 1 2012 @ 12:28 PM
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Originally posted by theubermensch

Originally posted by petrus4
A vocabulary that primarily exists of perjorative stereotypes, does not help your cause.


What would you prefer? Lies? I hate hippies and think they are stupid and infuriating. Its just my honest opinion.


Perhaps you'll feel better if you listen to some nice Denis Leary.


Now you can go back to being yourself ‒ and you know what that means.

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posted on Feb, 1 2012 @ 12:29 PM
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Yes, sir people most certainly did die directly under communist dictatorship. All you have to do is look at the numbers of people who were imprisoned in the gulags. They either died within the gulags or as a result of starvation or health issues from their imprisonment, not to mention the actual massacres.
I had a Russian dance instructor who told me with eyes watering how the Russian people still hate Stalin. That's just communist Russia. How about Pol Pot? Mao?


Here's a wikipedia reference and breakdown by country


In the introduction, editor Stéphane Courtois asserts that "...Communist regimes...turned mass crime into a full-blown system of government". He cites a death toll which totals 94 million, not counting the "excess deaths" (decrease of the population due to lower than-expected birth rates). The breakdown of the number of deaths given by Courtois is as follows:
65 million in the People's Republic of China
20 million in the Soviet Union[3]
2 million in Cambodia
2 million in North Korea
1.7 million in Africa
1.5 million in Afghanistan
1 million in the Communist states of Eastern Europe
1 million in Vietnam[4]
150,000 in Latin America
10,000 deaths "resulting from actions of the international Communist movement and Communist parties not in power."(p. 4)


en.wikipedia.org...


But ok to be fair, this article says that in China, 400,000 people die annually from air pollution (their energy source is mainly coal)
www.terradaily.com...

But it's interesting to note that it's the US who is demonized by the left for pollution.

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posted on Feb, 1 2012 @ 12:32 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
More Greenpeace

In this interview the leader of Greenpeace admits the Arctic ice sheet is not melting and that they used emotionalism to promote their agenda

hotair.com...

And check this out



A great expose


33 seconds into it and they already hit on goodwins law.
When you start with nazi's, you lose me.
Greenpeace is a useless organization. eco-terrorists are too rampant in their ranks to be taken seriously. For every two that simply wants to be a ecological healer, you got one that is off their rocks and wanting to all but kill humans due to some mental illness guised as ecological ideology or some nonsense, and the opposite issue of infiltration to paint them poorly.

for instance..if I throw on a tea party t-shirt and go murder people while spouting out tea party nonsense and incredibly stupid lies (we believe Obama is a reptilian)..does that mean the entire tea party are murderous delusional people? No...but I bet I would get a lot more press
Now, stop short of murdering people...instead, do things such as kick open courtrooms and start screaming tea party slogans while court is in process and go on about the random stuff...eventually, with enough people, the tea party would be seen as some nutty reptilian conspiracy hogwash verses the actual intent.

anyhow, point is, greenpeace is not a factor in discussing the issue.

Glacial ice is however retreating and dwindling.
And anyone whom says "Who cares about the polar bears" gets a free kick to the nads
its not about polar bears you tools, its about the ocean/circulation/UVs bouncing off the ice and flying back into space to keep the planet cool, etc.

But, what could be causing this steady retreat of the glaciers that curiously coincide with the dawning of the industrial age and ramping up more and more...
probably the sun..sure..that has to be it. the 11 year cycle of high and low surely is 100% at fault for the near century of data.

Is it not self evident?

eyes wide shut I think is the term.
Source for stuff that will not be read

If we ignore it, maybe it will go away



posted on Feb, 1 2012 @ 12:33 PM
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Exactly my point, because of governments that call them self communist. Communism did not kill them, policies of crazy leader did.


In the modern lexicon of what many sociologists and political commentators refer to as the "political mainstream", communism is often used to refer to the policies of states run by communist parties, regardless of the practical content of the actual economic system they may preside over. Examples of this include the policies of the Socialist Republic of Vietnam where the economic system incorporates "doi moi", the People's Republic of China (PRC, or simply "China") where the economic system incorporates "socialist market economy", and the economic system of the Soviet Union which was described as "state capitalist" by non-Leninist socialists and later by communists who increasingly opposed the post-Stalin era Soviet model as it progressed over the course of the 20th century (e.g. Maoists, Trotskyists and libertarian communists)—and even at one point by Vladimir Lenin himself.
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posted on Feb, 1 2012 @ 12:37 PM
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These morally superior people want us to go backwards.

NO some of us would like to move forward though and start a better way of life that the world can sustain without damage to any who live here or the earth itself!

I think you got the morally superior right though!


Interesting what Hippie means and stands for...

Both the words "hip" and "hep" came from African American culture and denote "awareness".

A July, 1967 Time Magazine study on hippie philosophy credited the foundation of the hippie movement with historical precedent as far back as the counterculture of the Ancient Greeks, espoused by philosophers like Diogenes of Sinope and the Cynics also as early forms of hippie culture.[7] It also named as notable influences the religious and spiritual teachings of Henry David Thoreau, Hillel the Elder, Jesus, Buddha, St. Francis of Assisi, Gandhi, and J.R.R. Tolkien.

en.wikipedia.org...
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posted on Feb, 1 2012 @ 12:38 PM
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yah that Greepeace guy admitted at the end of the interview that he DOESNT KNOW and the ice sheet likely will NOT melt by 2030.
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posted on Feb, 1 2012 @ 12:41 PM
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Originally posted by revs0lution
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
 


Exactly my point, because of governments that call them self communist. Communism did not kill them, policies of crazy leader did.


In the modern lexicon of what many sociologists and political commentators refer to as the "political mainstream", communism is often used to refer to the policies of states run by communist parties, regardless of the practical content of the actual economic system they may preside over. Examples of this include the policies of the Socialist Republic of Vietnam where the economic system incorporates "doi moi", the People's Republic of China (PRC, or simply "China") where the economic system incorporates "socialist market economy", and the economic system of the Soviet Union which was described as "state capitalist" by non-Leninist socialists and later by communists who increasingly opposed the post-Stalin era Soviet model as it progressed over the course of the 20th century (e.g. Maoists, Trotskyists and libertarian communists)—and even at one point by Vladimir Lenin himself.
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So now you are saying that it's not the fault of communist systems the people died? That's like saying Stalin wasn't really communist after all, which I have actually heard people in this very forum say. It's a ludicrous statement at best and not true. In fact Stalin got rif of private farms and ran them all by govt, so he was really in the end more communist than Lenin.

And now you are trying to convince me that what is now considered "State capitalism" is what was happening in the old Soviet Union under Stalin? State run is state run, whatever fancy schmancy name you want to put to it to diffuse the situation.
People died in the gulags for communist ideology. Just ask Alexander Solzhenitsyn.

The term “State Capitalism” is frequently used in two different ways: first, as an economic form in which the state performs the role of the capitalist employer, exploiting the workers in the interest of the state. The federal mail system or a state-owned railway are examples of this kind of state capitalism. In Russia, this form of state capitalism predominates in industry : the work is planned, financed and managed by the state; the directors of industry are appointed by the state and profits are considered the income of the state. Second, we find that a condition is defined as state capitalism (or state socialism) under which capitalist enterprises are controlled by the state. This definition is misleading, however, as there still exists under these conditions capitalism in the form of private ownership, although the owner of an enterprise is no longer the sole master, his power being restricted so long as some sort of social insurance system for the workers is accepted.
It depends now on the degree of state interference in private enterprises. If the state passes certain laws affecting employment conditions, such as the hiring and firing of workers, if enterprises are being financed by a federal banking system, or subventions are being granted to support the export trade, or if by law the limit of dividends for the large corporations is fixed – then a condition will be reached under which state control will regulate the entire economic life.


www.marxists.org...

As I have said before, it comes down to a matter of degree.

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posted on Feb, 1 2012 @ 12:45 PM
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Just another project for BP,



posted on Feb, 1 2012 @ 12:48 PM
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you're missing the point. I'm not denying that communist system resulted in deaths. Of course it did. Communist regime were responsible for mass slaughter throughout history. My point is that mass slaughter occurred under both communist regime and capitalist state. You were comparing communist REGIME to capitalist venture which is different in my opinion



posted on Feb, 1 2012 @ 12:53 PM
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Let me just clarify two things here - there is no balancing people and the environment and we all hate smog - we can limit or impact on it but as a species we are almost hopeless at gaining a neutral effect. Just look at at poor women that goes and has 6 more kids if you need a stark example of how out of control people are.

Hippy do gooders arent the problem assholes are. Short butch looking women that have left there marriage in shambles and there children hating them, going out an focusing on tearing something else down instead of dealing with there own lives. Guys who have moved from a natural defense of women to blatantly leg humping. Obesity taking over and pumping men with hormones, women taking steroids. Everywhere you look there are self import out of control assholes.

Even look at parents - they say they will die for there children but won't patch up there marriages for them. Say the future is for our children then elect idiots to show them the way.

Basically the world is full of # - luckily however if you are smart and play it smart it makes it very easy to rise above it. Soon most of them will self destruct anyway.



posted on Feb, 1 2012 @ 12:57 PM
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Are you referring to wars fought in the name of Capitalism? Which ones would that be?



posted on Feb, 1 2012 @ 01:00 PM
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Originally posted by theubermensch

Originally posted by mr-lizard
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Not sure if troll thread or not.

How do you define a hippy? How do you know each an every single 'hippy' (of your definition) thinks and acts exactly the same.

Secondly, what's wrong with oxygen and clean water?


I have never seen such a ridiculous thread. Did you just arrive from the early 1970's after being in cold storage for a long, ignorant nap?


I guess I am channeling Cartman maybe. I just mean enviromentalists. I mean people that enjoy the smell of their own gas.

And it makes me angry that people would protest something that would create jobs when they are badly needed. I dont think thats ridiculous. Hippies really annoy me.


So you are saying you don't give a dam about your own environment, and you hate anyone who does,

especially the scientists who spent years studying and learning about the environment of all species, to understand it and hope someday to get it stable and all of us stop fouling our very home.

So all that matters to you is how much money is in your bank account and the Corporation you work for. You are a ...live for today and let my grand-kids sob in the filthy mess I leave behind type...no need to care about your environment.



posted on Feb, 1 2012 @ 01:00 PM
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And another thing you may or may not realize is that the so-called hippies these days are only pretenders to the throne. The REAL hippies are gone
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Don't know when people will wake up to this fact. Thanks.



posted on Feb, 1 2012 @ 01:02 PM
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Exactly why I've always despised that Hippy Do-Gooder Jesus, who's greatest achievement was getting his own *ss kicked. "love this, love that'. Meh. He shoulda fought back. Total puss.



posted on Feb, 1 2012 @ 01:02 PM
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Make it a bit simple in regards to the communism stuff

This guy is to communism:


What this family is to christianity:


You cannot take the most corrupt examples and say thats the norm.
(catchy tune they sing)



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