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From Freedom to Fascism: Part One; Occupy Wall Street

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posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 10:27 PM
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Well the OWS really isn't a formal organization. There is no leader, no PR person, nothing but some websites that claim to speak for the group.

It's also diverse in belief. Some are communist, some are Libertarian...so you can't really lay out a set of beliefs when 2000 different ideas make up their whole.

And that's the huge issue with them.

What they should have done (in my opinion), is lay out all the different monetary corruption scandals on Wall Street, the banks, and the government. They should have strayed from any political stance and had spokespersons (only laying out the corruption scandals, NOT any political party matter). I know the whole "no leader" thing sounds great on paper. But in reality that's not how humans work. There are leaders and there are followers. The educated people on the matter needed to be put at the forefront to the media to get the REAL message out.

Without that then you are susceptible to have the media attack you, which they will regardless if you are against the status-quo or whoever owns them. But, if they had educated people speaking of KNOWN crimes that took place, then they would have been much better off. No one can argue against banking fraud, a crime is a crime. But without organization you will fall victim to a real organization (the media) making you look like fools. You have to know your enemy before attacking it.

A lot of anti-corporatist people see logos, branding, PR, and marketing all as some weird sort of bad thing (just because corporations use it). But, it WILL make the difference of success and failure unless you happen to be incredibly lucky. It is a science of seeing what people pay attention to, will like, or follow. Any non-profit charity I know has a logo and branding because IT WORKS. If something works, use it. Since the OWS didn't brand themselves, other people did it for them. They're now all lazy hippy communists because of the lack of message to the media on THEIR part.

Since they have no real leadership structure, just who is supposed to launch these "PEOPLE ARE LYING ABOUT US" campaigns?

All their problems come back to a lack of organization, and that's really just it.


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posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 10:37 PM
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Originally posted by thehoneycomb
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This thread is just propaganda.


Correct.

Every picture is propaganda.
I am simply documenting it and putting it into context.


Those are some intense mental gymnastics you have going on there. The only thing you've done is remove the context. I'm still waiting for you to answer my earlier question....where'd all the alleged Soros money go? Here, let me help you out: (Reuters) - George Soros isn't a financial backer of the Wall Street protests.



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 10:54 PM
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Soros money go?


Alliance for Global Justice...To OWS... To Nicaragua and Drug cartels as well as Al Queda.

www.humanevents.com...

Who.who who who ha ha ha.!



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 11:57 PM
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Actually it isn't.

Say you're assigned to document a political rally called "Room A". You want to make the "Room A" people appear in a bad light. You then take a picture of all the fat people in the room, even though there are more skinny people than fat or even a equal distribution. You then make a thread called "ROOM A ARE A BUNCH OF FAT LAZY HIPPIES". This is when it becomes propaganda.

You are presenting a false reality by showing pictures that ONLY support your view. And this is exactly what you did in this thread.



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posted on Feb, 1 2012 @ 12:03 AM
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They only support my view...because thats all that OWS is... They don't even support their own view. They support mine.

They will be annihilated for being hypocritical and doing nothing in support of the human condition other then annihilating it.



posted on Feb, 1 2012 @ 12:50 AM
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Who believes in karma?

While I don't suggest you make it, I do suggest you live your life to the fullest.

There will some a place in time where there are no services in America,

At that time you will have to defend yourself and not rely on the government.

This time will exceed two weeks and maybe three months.



posted on Feb, 1 2012 @ 12:51 AM
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Live it.

Love it..

..and if it threatens you...

...kill it.



posted on Feb, 1 2012 @ 01:59 AM
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Troll harder

No need to make 3 separate postings right under your posts in a thread you authored.



posted on Feb, 1 2012 @ 10:18 AM
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Originally posted by thehoneycomb
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Soros money go?


Alliance for Global Justice...To OWS... To Nicaragua and Drug cartels as well as Al Queda.

www.humanevents.com...

Who.who who who ha ha ha.!


I posted a link from reuters, a fairly neutral and reputable source. They even had to change the original article claiming that soros was backing OWS because they found out it was not accurate. Your source is an admittedly biased right-wing blog. Under it's banner it even says "Powerful conservative voices". The website title is "Conservative News, Views & Books". The author of the story you posted even tries to hawk his book, Subversion Inc near the top of the story. Do you see the difference? I read your article, did you even read mine or is your mind already closed to facts that don't agree with the story you have assembled?
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posted on Feb, 1 2012 @ 12:24 PM
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Troll harder

No need to make 3 separate postings right under your posts in a thread you authored.




I do apologize those were actually officially drunk postings, I hit the whisky bottle a bit too hard last night. In any case you should know that I had enough sense to put the keyboard away and got amount of good rest. All better now, but thanks for calling me out on it.



posted on Feb, 1 2012 @ 12:26 PM
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Great post OP!!!!

nice pictures to sum it up!!!!



posted on Feb, 1 2012 @ 12:29 PM
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Best OWS post i have ever read in my life



posted on Feb, 1 2012 @ 12:31 PM
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Actually it isn't.

Say you're assigned to document a political rally called "Room A". You want to make the "Room A" people appear in a bad light. You then take a picture of all the fat people in the room, even though there are more skinny people than fat or even a equal distribution. You then make a thread called "ROOM A ARE A BUNCH OF FAT LAZY HIPPIES". This is when it becomes propaganda.

You are presenting a false reality by showing pictures that ONLY support your view. And this is exactly what you did in this thread.


Now that I'm sober I will re address your post. OWS was highly organized with the help of labor unions, that which many people from OWS have denied, but pictures here serve as evidence that the labor unions are highly involved with organization.

The other element is socialists and anarchists as well as communists. While OWS mostly denies that they have a political agenda, the pictures in this thread serve as evidence that they do.

OWS was also supported by the Democratic Party, here is evidence of their involvement as I have also posted a picture of Charles Rangel a Democrat attending OWS.



posted on Feb, 1 2012 @ 12:32 PM
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Oh I wanted to add to your wall of shame





posted on Feb, 1 2012 @ 12:33 PM
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reply to post by JoshF
 


Thank you both! It took a few hours to get all the pictures and compile them here nicely in a thread for all to see.



posted on Feb, 1 2012 @ 12:34 PM
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if u want to edit and add the picture I posted... it really sends the message home

and pushed me off OWS all together (awhile ago of course)



posted on Feb, 1 2012 @ 12:36 PM
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You can add it by uploading to ATS then open it up and get the code in the pic tag and then go and edit your post.

Feel free to add to it everyone.



posted on Feb, 1 2012 @ 12:43 PM
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i agree.....
we have a serious cookie problem, not just here, but all over the world,
but its funny,
it took a cookie monster to make me really see that.



posted on Feb, 1 2012 @ 03:04 PM
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posted on Feb, 1 2012 @ 07:12 PM
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Also, thehoneycomb, you might be interested in this thread:-

www.abovetopsecret.com...

EDIT: I also want to say that the photo of the anarchist with the aerial fire hydrant overhead, was one of the most thoroughly amusing images I've seen in some time. Well played; extremely good find.

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