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Originally posted by DAZ21
reply to post by lonewolf19792000
Where did you see a real angel?
Originally posted by I Want To Believe
reply to post by Starchild23
Also, Lucifer isn't the 'Tempter', Satan is. Lucifer is "Helel" the Fallen Angel and King of Babylon whereas Satan or Ha-Satan is the "Opposer" "Tempter", "Deceiver" and "Accuser of the Brethren." See the difference? It isnt Lucifer the Light Bringer who tempts and deceives it is Satan the Accuser. But I suppose the "Light Bringer" does make for a better thread than the "Accuser of the Brethren."
Originally posted by Starchild23
Originally posted by I Want To Believe
reply to post by Starchild23
Also, Lucifer isn't the 'Tempter', Satan is. Lucifer is "Helel" the Fallen Angel and King of Babylon whereas Satan or Ha-Satan is the "Opposer" "Tempter", "Deceiver" and "Accuser of the Brethren." See the difference? It isnt Lucifer the Light Bringer who tempts and deceives it is Satan the Accuser. But I suppose the "Light Bringer" does make for a better thread than the "Accuser of the Brethren."
Lucifer IS Satan (according to the Bible). Are you telling me he became a whole different person once he was cast out, and thus took on a whole new name?
Originally posted by DAZ21
reply to post by smithjustinb
Sounds like you had sleep paralysis or something similar.
What you saw could have been a hypnogogic hallucination, or you may have been viewing the astral realm.
But cool experience, I've experienced similar things.
The Law and Sin Romans 7:7-25
7 What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.” 8 But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of coveting. For apart from the law, sin was dead. 9 Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. 10 I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death. 11 For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death. 12 So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good.
13 Did that which is good, then, become death to me? By no means! Nevertheless, in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it used what is good to bring about my death, so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful.
14 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[c] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? 25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature[d] a slave to the law of sin.
Romans 6:1-4 1 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.
Galatians 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.
Colossians 2:11-13 In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead. And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses,
John 8:34, 36 Whosoever 34 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. 35 Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. 36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.
I John 3:9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11 9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
Originally posted by sacgamer25
Sin is the desire to please the flesh.
Originally posted by DAZ21
reply to post by lonewolf19792000
Where did you see a real angel?
Originally posted by smithjustinb
Originally posted by Starchild23
Originally posted by I Want To Believe
reply to post by Starchild23
Also, Lucifer isn't the 'Tempter', Satan is. Lucifer is "Helel" the Fallen Angel and King of Babylon whereas Satan or Ha-Satan is the "Opposer" "Tempter", "Deceiver" and "Accuser of the Brethren." See the difference? It isnt Lucifer the Light Bringer who tempts and deceives it is Satan the Accuser. But I suppose the "Light Bringer" does make for a better thread than the "Accuser of the Brethren."
Lucifer IS Satan (according to the Bible). Are you telling me he became a whole different person once he was cast out, and thus took on a whole new name?
I believe there was a rebellion by some advanced life form who after the rebellion came to earth in search of power.
Originally posted by 1littlewolf
Starchild, what exactly is your definition of 'good', and what is your definition of 'evil'. And what exactly are we tempted to do?
Good and evil are both very subjective and exist only in the mind of the beholder. What may be good for one is evil to another. An action which one belief system says we have been 'tempted' to perform may well be perfectly acceptable in another belief system. If you want to have a discussion on being tempted to or have knowledge of a particular action or thought as being good or evil, it would be helpful if you could define these terms at least according to what they mean to you.
The story of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil I see as a metaphor for the moment of first human consciousness, the moment when our minds reached a point (collectively) where it could ponder it's own existence.This in turn led to the creation of archetypal gods such as Satan or Lucifer or Baal or even Zeus for that matter. It led to the concepts of good and evil, and a whole myriad of mytholological dieties who championed these concepts. This is the moment when we began to lose the calm peace of an unconscious existence and replaced it with the thrill and the fear of realizing we are alive but not knowing why.
Originally posted by Starchild23
That's a very interesting question. Good is the right thing for the right reason. You help someone for the sake of being helpful. Expecting to be paid makes it a neutral action, in my opinion, because at that point, it becomes a survival tactic. Good is love without malice.
Evil is malice for the sake of malice or greed or ignorance. If you attack a nation with the intent of harming for the sake of either crippling that nation in preparation for theft or for further assault, simply because you "feel like it", that's evil. Evil is malice without love.
It is difficult to explain because culture and teachings and lifestyles will warp and bend the average displays of good and evil until they are no longer even similar to what they once were.
Subjective? Not so. Most people will say that murder is evil, and they will also say to a murderer, "You should die." Most people will oppose theft except in extreme situations, and most people will support charity and support healthcare. The finer gradients of good and evil are more questionable, but that's because they become a mixture, and they are always complicated when they are not pure.
Temptation benefits. That is as simple as it gets. Good and evil need not be discussed to understand this, because they are brother and sister. Without evil, there is no good. Without good, there is no evil. There simply...is.
Polarity is the nature of our world. And thus, even as one may help, so can the other.
Originally posted by IAMIAM
Originally posted by sacgamer25
Sin is the desire to please the flesh.
Do you not take a breath because it pleases the lungs?
.
Do you not eat food because it pleases the tongue?
.
Do you not procreate because it pleases the genitals?
.
Don't we strive to prolong our flesh that we might live in it longer?
Our Flesh is the only way we know we exist.
If you truly hate it so, tear out your eyes, stab out your ears, sear your flesh that it feels no more, cut out your tongue, and plug your nose. Then, ONLY then will you be free of sin by your definition. In your nothingness you will be free to contemplate why a creator would create you so backwards to your own being.
Do not LIVE for the flesh, for it perishes, but enjoy it while you got it.
With Love,
Your Brother
edit on 5-2-2012 by IAMIAM because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by sacgamer25
Love is not subjective, and there are only 2 choices. Love and anything else.
Anything less than doing that which benefits your brother is not love.
Love for yourself is not love it is selfishness.
One cannot learn to love until one learns to stop loving themselves.
It is not until you learn to love that one will find peace.
If we all did that which was best for our brother, and we accepted all men as our brothers we would all find peace.
Doing anything contrary to that which benefits your brother is not love. It is better to give to your brother than to let him steal. It is better to be wronged than to seek revenge.
Killing your brother is not love even if he was going to kill you. For it is better to die for your brother than to kill him.
If you could accept that which is best for your brother was also what is best for you than you would learn to love your brother.
If you could accept what I say than you would follow Christ.