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The Philosophy behind the immateriality of the absolute.

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posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 11:15 AM
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Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

Originally posted by filosophia
The absolute is the highest reality possible, infinity, truth. This absolute must be immaterial since it is different from all matter, if it were not, it would be just another object and not reality itself.

So when a philosopher asks what caused God, if God is meant the absolute and not a mythological deity, than there is no answer to the question what caused the absolute, since the absolute is immaterial and thus has no cause. It is uncaused.

So the question is, if the absolute is uncaused, but everything in the universe has a cause to it, how does the uncause cause the universe? How does truth create something? Does something exist and then truth exists, or are they both simultaneously one?


I believe you mean Eternal, kNot Absolute.
Eternal is Infinite, whereas Absolute is kNot necessarily Infinite.


There is a difference!


But to answer your question, Numbers define God, for they are Infinite as well. So God can be Defined, just kNot Confined.


Ribbit


Please, define God for us. I have not yet seen a complete and accurate definition...only personal impressions and beliefs.




posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 11:21 AM
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Originally posted by filosophia

In an absolute sense existence and consciousness are the same, since they would be identical within the absolute. The absolute is one, so anything within is non contradictory to anything else, which is just a way of saying all is the same. On a physical level human consciousness does not matter to existence of the universe, but do planets and stars have intelligence? Or are they just features of nature without consciousness. Then is nature itself smart?


So at the root of the essence of energy, there is consciousness.



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 11:29 AM
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Originally posted by smithjustinb

Originally posted by filosophia

In an absolute sense existence and consciousness are the same, since they would be identical within the absolute. The absolute is one, so anything within is non contradictory to anything else, which is just a way of saying all is the same. On a physical level human consciousness does not matter to existence of the universe, but do planets and stars have intelligence? Or are they just features of nature without consciousness. Then is nature itself smart?


So at the root of the essence of energy, there is consciousness.


Exactly. Energy became conscious of itself, and experienced itself (experimented with itself), which is how the universe formed. Similar to us making water splash while experimenting with movement, except this came from within itself. Unfortunately, as such simple creatures more focused on material then spirit, we are unaware of this energy consciousness, also known as the Spirit.

If one could tap into the higher mind, and communicate with the energy...miracles could be made.



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 11:30 AM
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Originally posted by filosophia

Originally posted by smithjustinb
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Existence becomes truth when it becomes observed. Reality is the universe + consciousness. The absolute is the capacity to develop consciousness, and perhaps consciousness itself assuming consciousness is external to the brain and is eternal.


Truth exists if it is observed or not, so consciousness is not even necessary. The unverse would exist if every conscious being died out. The development of consciousness is a product of the absolute due to the fact that everythings true nature is the absolute reality.


Nothing can exist without knowing it exists. imo

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Existence must be verified.
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posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 11:35 AM
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Originally posted by Starchild23

Originally posted by smithjustinb

Originally posted by filosophia

In an absolute sense existence and consciousness are the same, since they would be identical within the absolute. The absolute is one, so anything within is non contradictory to anything else, which is just a way of saying all is the same. On a physical level human consciousness does not matter to existence of the universe, but do planets and stars have intelligence? Or are they just features of nature without consciousness. Then is nature itself smart?


So at the root of the essence of energy, there is consciousness.


Exactly. Energy became conscious of itself, and experienced itself (experimented with itself), which is how the universe formed. Similar to us making water splash while experimenting with movement, except this came from within itself. Unfortunately, as such simple creatures more focused on material then spirit, we are unaware of this energy consciousness, also known as the Spirit.

If one could tap into the higher mind, and communicate with the energy...miracles could be made.


In my opinion, we are already tapped into the higher mind. We make miracles everyday. The fact of our existence alone is a miracle. We don't just communicate with the energy, we are the energy and the energy is and the energy knows itself to be.

The capacity of ourselves to know ourselves to be is directly proportional to how tapped in we are. You might be alive, but that doesn't mean you are living.



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 11:40 AM
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Nothing/the immaterial/the absolute always knows. It is what it does. But it can pretend it doesn't. It plays hide and seek.
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posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 11:49 AM
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Originally posted by smithjustinb

Originally posted by Starchild23

Originally posted by smithjustinb

Originally posted by filosophia

In an absolute sense existence and consciousness are the same, since they would be identical within the absolute. The absolute is one, so anything within is non contradictory to anything else, which is just a way of saying all is the same. On a physical level human consciousness does not matter to existence of the universe, but do planets and stars have intelligence? Or are they just features of nature without consciousness. Then is nature itself smart?


So at the root of the essence of energy, there is consciousness.


Exactly. Energy became conscious of itself, and experienced itself (experimented with itself), which is how the universe formed. Similar to us making water splash while experimenting with movement, except this came from within itself. Unfortunately, as such simple creatures more focused on material then spirit, we are unaware of this energy consciousness, also known as the Spirit.

If one could tap into the higher mind, and communicate with the energy...miracles could be made.


In my opinion, we are already tapped into the higher mind. We make miracles everyday. The fact of our existence alone is a miracle. We don't just communicate with the energy, we are the energy and the energy is and the energy knows itself to be.

The capacity of ourselves to know ourselves to be is directly proportional to how tapped in we are. You might be alive, but that doesn't mean you are living.


We are not responsible for our existence. We all know who (or what) is. The miracles I refer to are constructing pyramids through thoughts alone (such as Ra did), the alchemical process of turning water into wine by means of the Infinite Gate, or the gateway which allows communication with energy, which exists in all of our minds but very few have unlocked (as Jesus did) and the act of controlling energy on such a basic level that you can create matter out of seemingly thin air on a whim (as Yahweh did).

We are not alive. We are simply functioning, according to the most basic of survival programming.



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 11:53 AM
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Originally posted by Starchild23


Absolutely...this made no sense. Again.

Could you clarify in English please?

english is not ur language possession, i gave absolute clarifications in english, it is incredible how insolent hypocrits r to anything, mister i bet that u will never take one single sentence from mine, i advice u to stop betting the reverse, ur objective perspective of all has not even nothing in common with mine



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 12:04 PM
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No, you just do not make sense in relevance to the English language.



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 12:06 PM
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Originally posted by Starchild23
Absolute has nothing to do with cause. Absolute is defined by its own nature, in and of itself. I could drink a gallon of milk in 10 seconds and then have to pee an hour later. The cause was extreme (unless you're into that sort of thing) but the result was average, because everyone pees.

The pee would be absolutely wet. Why? Because there is no argument as to the pee being dry, and there is no way it could have been dry. Absolute defines the degree of a certain aspect of nature, no matter what it refers to. Absolute does not depend on cause unless it is defining the cause.


on the contrary absolute has all to do with causes, it is the way of truth

even ur example here prove how u never mean but ur thoughts inventions never facts

drinking water is random relative fact nothing to mention for what it could have billions of different reasons all subjective
but peeing is absolute objective thing then its value is certain, while of course bc u dont care but about ur subjective value so u dare mean objective thing as inferior nothing
peeing for instance is what allow the body to stay close to being free, so proof of true existence sense
peeing as an absolute common fact to all living beings is like dirt confirming that life is evil since all what is coming out from living beings is negative reality



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 12:09 PM
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Originally posted by ErroneousDylan
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No, you just do not make sense in relevance to the English language.


this is not literature forum, in relevance to metaphysics and philosophy im much more english then u



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 12:12 PM
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Originally posted by filosophia
The absolute is the highest reality possible, infinity, truth. This absolute must be immaterial since it is different from all matter, if it were not, it would be just another object and not reality itself.

So when a philosopher asks what caused God, if God is meant the absolute and not a mythological deity, than there is no answer to the question what caused the absolute, since the absolute is immaterial and thus has no cause. It is uncaused.

So the question is, if the absolute is uncaused, but everything in the universe has a cause to it, how does the uncause cause the universe? How does truth create something? Does something exist and then truth exists, or are they both simultaneously one?

Very good questions, filosophia. How can a thing exist from nothing? I think we all wonder that sometimes. To me, the Absolute is the Spiritual Force of all of humanity together. I also call it a "Singularity."

"The Singularity" is seen by some as the end point of our current culture, when the ever-accelerating evolution of technology finally overtakes us and changes everything. It's been represented as everything from the end of all life to the beginning of a utopian age, which you might recognize as the endgames of most other religious beliefs.
Source

Now I will address the question about Creation. We, collectively are THE Creation, and the Creation ITSELF. When the two halves of humanity come together and produce a child, that is, so far, our most perfect Creation. We have created a living, sentient human being that will grow to an adult, and will love you. It hardly gets better than that. As the Dimensions begin to cross, people will realize that whatever they think of, they also manifest into real time and place, and this is going to freak a lot of people out. We are Becoming, folks, and there is no stopping it. We are the Dynamo here, we are the Force, we are the God and Goddess, after all. Know it, Embrace it, Be it.
Love and Light, Filosophia,
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posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 12:15 PM
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Originally posted by Starchild23

Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

Originally posted by filosophia
The absolute is the highest reality possible, infinity, truth. This absolute must be immaterial since it is different from all matter, if it were not, it would be just another object and not reality itself.

So when a philosopher asks what caused God, if God is meant the absolute and not a mythological deity, than there is no answer to the question what caused the absolute, since the absolute is immaterial and thus has no cause. It is uncaused.

So the question is, if the absolute is uncaused, but everything in the universe has a cause to it, how does the uncause cause the universe? How does truth create something? Does something exist and then truth exists, or are they both simultaneously one?


I believe you mean Eternal, kNot Absolute.
Eternal is Infinite, whereas Absolute is kNot necessarily Infinite.


There is a difference!


But to answer your question, Numbers define God, for they are Infinite as well. So God can be Defined, just kNot Confined.


Ribbit


Please, define God for us. I have not yet seen a complete and accurate definition...only personal impressions and beliefs.


"God/Source is Everything; Time is God/Source in Motion; Thought is Time in Motion; Logic is Thought in Motion; Love is Logic in Motion; Life is Love in Motion; Math is Life/Numbers in Motion." - Old Toad Proverb

As to Physically Defining God, God is a 3D Circle ever-growing, a Perfect Sphere, and WE reside within Her, for She is the most Perfect Lifeform possible and gives WE life, Her Children, the True Children of Zion, WE the Souls.


Did yew know WE have a new brother and sister born about every 23 earth minutes?


Ribbit



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 12:17 PM
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language is not alphabet as u religious people love to mean for any pretenses of getting ur life too soon

language is sentence articulations able to give a perspective of object thing totally independant to its letters

which prove how language is never supposed to make sense, only facts realities



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 12:19 PM
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it is amazing to what extent u cant but mean subjects senses, u have u as a subject why keeping willing to amplify it from using others?



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 12:19 PM
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I can agree with that.
However, I would appreciate if you could explain in more detail that proverb...



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 12:20 PM
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Originally posted by smithjustinb

Originally posted by filosophia

In an absolute sense existence and consciousness are the same, since they would be identical within the absolute. The absolute is one, so anything within is non contradictory to anything else, which is just a way of saying all is the same. On a physical level human consciousness does not matter to existence of the universe, but do planets and stars have intelligence? Or are they just features of nature without consciousness. Then is nature itself smart?


So at the root of the essence of energy, there is consciousness.


Remember that question you asked once, Justin? The 3D to 2D to 1D? That POINT on that LINE? Ever hear the sayings:

"Get to the Point!"

"He just doesn't get the Point!"

In the question you asked, where is that Point in "Y"? Think 3 going two 1.


Then realize you are that Point and Life isn't Duality, it's Trinality.


Ribbit



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 12:20 PM
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Originally posted by absolutely
language is not alphabet as u religious people love to mean for any pretenses of getting ur life too soon

language is sentence articulations able to give a perspective of object thing totally independant to its letters

which prove how language is never supposed to make sense, only facts realities



I find this hilarious coming from you, considering your points are consistently incoherent.

By the way, language has to make sense in order to communicate. Your logic is faulty.



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 12:22 PM
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Originally posted by Starchild23

If one could tap into the higher mind, and communicate with the energy...miracles could be made.



Our pathetic human puny mYnds could kNot handle a full 3-way reconnect with Source. We wood Implode.


Ribbit



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posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 12:25 PM
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You are never disconnected from source. You just bought into the big fat lie that's all.
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