I saw a documentary on this group of elephants some time back on Discovery Channel...they did some DNA work and found that they were actually not
mastodons but an isolated population of Asian elephants who had begun showing traits from a little farther back in their family tree, like the sloping
backs and domed heads. I'll dig around for a link, hopefully there's more out there on this topic.
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Topic started on 15-9-2004 @ 06:28 AM by feygan
Having seen posts regarding fully preserved frozen specimins, I took a short search to check up on the living versions. None found so here it is.
For some time there have been reports of very large unusual looking elephants in remote forested regions of Nepal. After a pretty extensive search both photo's and video shots were produced of two of this supposed creatures.
Two bull elephants were dicovered, both being much larger than modern elephants, the largest of the two being around 3.7 meters at the shoulder and weighing roughly 7 tonnes (note these figures come from someone who has worked with elephants all their life and so is pretty good at judging size and mass)
The size alone makes them interesting, but what's odd is their appearence. Having the characterisic sloped back of the elephants ancestors along with a twin domed head.
Firstly heres a picture of what an ancient Mastodon would have looked like (note their were both hairy and semi hairless varities, but the steriotypical mammoth has always drawn more crowds)
When you compare this to the modern day elephant the physical differences are very clear.
So when you see shots of the ones found in Nepal you can't fail to see both differences in modern elehpants and similarities in ancient Mastodons.
Here side on you can clearly see the sloped back.
Here you can see the twin domes on it's head.
As opposed to the single dome that modern elephants possess.
So is it really a living ancestor out there in Nepal or just an as yet unclassified species of modern day elephant with old style features??
I've seen a few photo's of these including a filmed documantary on the animals a while back so it included video footage of them. Which makes me fairly confident these animals are real, and not hoaxed. But it does leave me unsure as to what they are........
For some time there have been reports of very large unusual looking elephants in remote forested regions of Nepal. After a pretty extensive search both photo's and video shots were produced of two of this supposed creatures.
Two bull elephants were dicovered, both being much larger than modern elephants, the largest of the two being around 3.7 meters at the shoulder and weighing roughly 7 tonnes (note these figures come from someone who has worked with elephants all their life and so is pretty good at judging size and mass)
The size alone makes them interesting, but what's odd is their appearence. Having the characterisic sloped back of the elephants ancestors along with a twin domed head.
Firstly heres a picture of what an ancient Mastodon would have looked like (note their were both hairy and semi hairless varities, but the steriotypical mammoth has always drawn more crowds)
When you compare this to the modern day elephant the physical differences are very clear.
So when you see shots of the ones found in Nepal you can't fail to see both differences in modern elehpants and similarities in ancient Mastodons.
Here side on you can clearly see the sloped back.
Here you can see the twin domes on it's head.
As opposed to the single dome that modern elephants possess.
So is it really a living ancestor out there in Nepal or just an as yet unclassified species of modern day elephant with old style features??
I've seen a few photo's of these including a filmed documantary on the animals a while back so it included video footage of them. Which makes me fairly confident these animals are real, and not hoaxed. But it does leave me unsure as to what they are........
reply posted on 15-9-2004 @ 02:20 PM by Der Kapitan
What you show a pic of,Feygan is the Steppe Mammoth. A Mastodon looks like the pic provided. Note the sloping head sans the bump of the Mammoth. I think that there is a possibilty that we won't need to use cloning at all. There has been speculation, based on sightings that a similiar creature still roams the vast forests of Siberia. Albeit a furry one.
[edit on 15-9-2004 by Der Kapitan]
reply posted on 15-9-2004 @ 06:43 PM by feygan
Ah my bad.... I couldn't track down a true mastodon picture previously, thanks for the help out.
I've taken a further look into DNA sequencing for both modern elephants and mastodons. So far zip on the elephant front, (though i may have just not looked hard enough) but I did find some nice stuff on the lines of the mastodon.
An Ohio proffessor managed to clone cells from the most perfectly preserved mastodon found to date, to study the relationship between it and other elephants.
The full article can be found here. news.owu.edu...
I'm currently in the proccess of trying to get in contact with Proffessor Goldstein to see if his work has progressed in the last 3 years. (with many fingers and toes crossed) If it turns out that we now know enough of the sequence then i'll have to look into elephants to see if we know enough about those. With luck both will be good then some real comparisons can start being made.
Hell it could even be a true living fossil out there in Nepal. But let's not get too exited.
I've taken a further look into DNA sequencing for both modern elephants and mastodons. So far zip on the elephant front, (though i may have just not looked hard enough) but I did find some nice stuff on the lines of the mastodon.
An Ohio proffessor managed to clone cells from the most perfectly preserved mastodon found to date, to study the relationship between it and other elephants.
"We hypothesize that mastodons are probably closely related to the Wooly Mammoth of Siberia, and these animals are probably distantly related to the African and Asian elephants of the present day,"
The full article can be found here. news.owu.edu...
I'm currently in the proccess of trying to get in contact with Proffessor Goldstein to see if his work has progressed in the last 3 years. (with many fingers and toes crossed) If it turns out that we now know enough of the sequence then i'll have to look into elephants to see if we know enough about those. With luck both will be good then some real comparisons can start being made.
Hell it could even be a true living fossil out there in Nepal. But let's not get too exited.
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