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Iran, perceiving threat from West, willing to attack on U.S. soil, U.S. intelligence report finds

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posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 01:21 PM
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reply to post by lacrimaererum
 

Wow an 'intelligence report' you say. Talk about stating the obvious...




posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 01:23 PM
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Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by Tw0Sides
reply to post by Rocky Black
 


Please tell me you dont believe a word you wrote.
It is all wrong in so many ways, that I will pray for you.


I'd be interested to know precisely what you think is "wrong" with what he wrote. It's one thing to make a nonspecific blanket accusation, and another altogether to SPECIFY what you think is "wrong" about it.

bet ya can't do that, can you?


Sir
Im quite familiar with your stances on US policy, from your postings, and frankly , your position makes me nauseous.
At the same time, I realize you are quite versed in foreign matters.

You could go back to Rocky's post and debunk all of his ill formed conclusions. As they are all MSM tripe, I know you are above the MSM rhetoric .



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 01:24 PM
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Who is really to blame are the dumbass soldiers that will fly to a foreign land and pull a trigger because "They ordered me to do it, you cant just say no!"


That wasn’t very nice…and you’re welcome for my service!


They believe they are "defending" us, but in reality, they just make the whole world hate us more. I am positive US soldiers are responsible for the formation of more young terrorists than Qaddafi, Khomeini, Saddam, and OBL combined.


You can’t blame the US for all the ills in the world, bud. I know you WANT to and will CONTINUE to but it doesn’t make sense. Muslim nations have plans to rule the world and Iran wants to spearhead this effort. You may continue to bury your head in the sand or point fingers but thankfully you’re not in charge!



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 01:24 PM
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Originally posted by Tw0Sides

Originally posted by nenothtu
. Blowback is unforeseen and unintended consequences that are an unnatural outgrowth from an intelligence operation.

Please step back if your head explodes, its tough to get out of jeans.


Soak them in a little soda water before throwing them in the wash. Don't let the brain matter dry - it has to be scraped then.



On to your quote:
As explained by recent administrations , you described Terrorism.

Dont go all Rambo on me, it wasn't my definition.


My whole point is that it is NO ONE'S definition. "Blowback" is a specific term with a real meaning in the intelligence community, and it is spread all over ATS being used, abused, and misused, like teaching a two year old a new word.

The use the term finds here has NOTHING TO DO with the definition of it.

I'm not sure how you get that I "described terrorism". A little meat on the bones of that attempted explanation would go a long way in helping me to figure out what it is you're trying to say.




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posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 01:25 PM
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Cue the false flag attack on US soil... blame Iran... drum up context for unilateral invasion of Iran... MSM talking-heads go into over-drive hyping the propaganda... US sheeple whip up into a fervor and demand retribution... World War III starts... Nothing is ever the same again.

Any of that sound familiar? It's the same blueprint they've been using for years. Sadly, most people are too stupid to remember that very simple 3rd grade history lesson - you know, the one you asked about why you needed to learn all of that boring history stuff anyway? Answer: Because history repeats itself, the good and the bad, and failure to learn from the past condemns mankind to relive their mistakes.

I sure hope that we can finally leanr something from history and play this hand very, very differently.



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 01:28 PM
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Same tired argument…”If US can do it why can’t Iran?”

I’ll tell you why, because they are fanatical nut-jobs trying to usher in the return of the mythical 12th imam and bring about the end of times!! If US wants to turn any country into glass it can!! Has it happened? Nope, because the US isn’t governed by people who believe martyrdom his the highest honor and the key to eternal life with 100 virgins!


Not all of them. Iranians have a large jewish population and Christians too. Not every Iranian is a die-hard-fundamentalist. You need to stop watching fox news.



I would no sooner want a nuclear Iran than I would want to release death row inmates and hand them AK47’s! I would no sooner want missiles pointed at our country from Iranian terrorists in South America than I would a gun pointed at my child’s head!


Nobody wants that. Nobody wants the US to have nukes either, or Iran or Korea or Israel.



Dead is dead…once it happens you can’t take it back. All of the support for Iran will go right out the window for most people once they do strike. I’m not scared of the boogyman under my bed or a few bad people walking the streets. I am scared of insane leaders with a massive arsenal setting up shop in my backyard.


Same, but when we point it out about America, we get called anti-Us.



Come on, Mr. Lizard!!


I am on.



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 01:30 PM
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Originally posted by aching_knuckles
Can you PROVE this? How do you know AMERICA isnt the evil side? After all, we have been invading foreign lands for conquest and profit. How can you say THEY ARE JUST FANATICAL NUTJOBS! and not say teh same thing about our bloodthirsty leaders and soldiers?

How many countries has Iran invaded in the past decade? We are up to at least 4. So Why are they fanatical and the US isnt?

You hypocrites disgust me, barely enough brains in your head to breathe, you shouldnt be worrying about geopolitical situations..


Is this fanatical to you?? It sure as hell is to ME:







These people are so rational it almost boring, right??

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posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 01:32 PM
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Originally posted by aching_knuckles
Who is really to blame are the dumbass soldiers that will fly to a foreign land and pull a trigger because "They ordered me to do it, you cant just say no!"



there you go!!! well done!!! High five you with stars baby!!! YES!!! YES!!! YES!!! Its is the American Soldiers Fault.

some peoples children, I swear.
yeah well I guess the buck has to end somewhere... blame it on the soldiers





They believe they are "defending" us, but in reality, they just make the whole world hate us more.

President Obama whom if you are old enough to vote elected him, tried that posture and well, it didn't help him any.



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 01:33 PM
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Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by aching_knuckles
 



Who is really to blame are the dumbass soldiers that will fly to a foreign land and pull a trigger because "They ordered me to do it, you cant just say no!"


That wasn’t very nice…and you’re welcome for my service!



Im not welcome, I didnt thank you for killing anyone in my name, and I dont want to.

Muslims want to take over the world? How many muslim nation have invaded america...ever? How many has america invaded?


However you need to justify murder to sleep at night buddy.



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 01:34 PM
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which may very well include "terror" attacks (also gotta love... when WE do it, it is war. When THEY - whoever THEY are - do it, it is terrorism) on US soil.


Your statement is invalid if you cannot show that the US and it's allies is supposedly primarily targeting civilians, which, in your opinion, they allegedly do.

There is just one problem...targeting innocent civilians (defined as "TERRORISM") would not make any sense whatsoever from a strategic military point of view - if the US wants to take out or overthrow a regime as done in the past, why should she/we target civilians instead of important military infrastructure?

There is A HELL of a difference between attacking for the purpose of bringing down a regime's infrastructure and military...as opposed to TERRORISM.

Or do you even know what terrorism is?

Now tell us please where in the past did the US engage in terrorism, genocide etc. and "invaded" other countries and slaughtered and murdered innocent people just for the sake of it? (Insurgents etc. don't count)

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posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 01:36 PM
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Oh please - shall I make a list of all the American numbskulls who on a daily basis wish harm and death to 'rag heads' and 'sand N*****s or want to turn Iran into glass with nukes?

You probably have more crazies in your own country than Iran. The Christian right-wingers, the bible belt, the xenophobia, the paranoia, the ease of which you've let your country be taken from you by corporations and lobbyists.

The list is huge.



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 01:36 PM
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Originally posted by Tw0Sides

Sir

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You could go back to Rocky's post and debunk all of his ill formed conclusions. As they are all MSM tripe, I know you are above the MSM rhetoric .


Thank you for the civil reply. but I already know what I think - I was asking what YOU thought was wrong with any of the points in his post. If I go back and try to "debunk" it with my opinion, that leaves yours out in the cold. I'm here for the conversation and potential education. If I have to do it myself, none of that happens. I'm not getting YOUR view point like that.



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 01:37 PM
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Originally posted by rebellender

President Obama whom if you are old enough to vote elected him, tried that posture and well, it didn't help him any.


So, you think there are less terrorists now after Iraq, than before we invaded? If you believe that, youre really nuts.

And if there are more now AFTER the invasion, can you please explain WHY is IS NOT the fault of our military?



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 01:39 PM
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Originally posted by seabag

Originally posted by aching_knuckles
Can you PROVE this? How do you know AMERICA isnt the evil side? After all, we have been invading foreign lands for conquest and profit. How can you say THEY ARE JUST FANATICAL NUTJOBS! and not say teh same thing about our bloodthirsty leaders and soldiers?

How many countries has Iran invaded in the past decade? We are up to at least 4. So Why are they fanatical and the US isnt?

You hypocrites disgust me, barely enough brains in your head to breathe, you shouldnt be worrying about geopolitical situations..


Is this fanatical to you?? It sure as hell is to ME:







These people are so rational it almost boring, right??

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BECAUSE obviously these guys are sane right?

3.bp.blogspot.com...

voxygen.net...

malialitman.files.wordpress.com...

God hates fags, god hates you, etc etc etc....

Yeah totally sane.



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 01:39 PM
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Originally posted by flexy123

Your statement is invalid if you cannot show that the US and it's allies is supposedly primarily targeting civilians, which, in your opinion, they allegedly do.


Isee...have you ever heard of Fallujah? Do you know how many civvies we killed in Iraq? Just a hint, its a hell of alot more than were killed on 9/11. Remember how mad you were at 9/11?



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 01:40 PM
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Not all of them. Iranians have a large jewish population and Christians too.


You’re right about that…its mainly the hardline Iranian mullahs. However, these fanatics are the ones calling the shots.


Not every Iranian is a die-hard-fundamentalist. You need to stop watching fox news


Fox News…blah..blah..blah..



Nobody wants that. Nobody wants the US to have nukes either, or Iran or Korea or Israel.


You mean YOU don’t want anyone to have nukes. I’m fine with US having nukes because they are a deterrent. As long as they are a weapon of LAST resort I’m fine with it. I have no problem with guns as long as they’re in MY hands. When someone else has a gun I get nervous, particularly when that person has made threats against my life and teaches children to blow themselves up for Allah!


Same, but when we point it out about America, we get called anti-Us.


Rightfully so…


I am on





posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 01:45 PM
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Originally posted by mr-lizard
God hates fags, god hates you, etc etc etc....

Yeah totally sane.


Far be it for me to defend those Nut-Job weirdos but...

"God hates fags"

Is not the same as calling for the death of an entire country dude.

Seriously.

Apples and Oranges
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posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 01:46 PM
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Originally posted by mr-lizard

BECAUSE obviously these guys are sane right?

3.bp.blogspot.com...

voxygen.net...

malialitman.files.wordpress.com...

God hates fags, god hates you, etc etc etc....

Yeah totally sane.


There is a slight difference here....

I'm talking about the people who RUN A COUNTRY and control a military and you drag out some tired protesters as an example?


If it makes you feel better, I wouldn't want those knuckheads to have weapons in South America pointed at US either!!



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 01:46 PM
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Originally posted by seabag





Rightfully so…


Rightly so? If you made a comment about Britain will that make you Anti-Britain?

No, but why does it occur when I make a comment about the US? It shouldn't, you should be mature enough to take a comment. Pfft.



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 01:47 PM
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Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by mr-lizard
God hates fags, god hates you, etc etc etc....

Yeah totally sane.


Far be it for me to defend those Nut-Job weirdos but...

"God hates fags"

Is not the same as calling for the death of an entire country dude.

Seriously.

Apples and Oranges
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Indeed, but not every Iranian in power wants the death of the US / UK either.

Like not every American is like Dick Cheyney or Donald Rumsfield. etc etc



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